The Free Agency Thread

[elcid]

Still think we should go after Snead. Saints don’t have much cap space and they just tendered him as an original round tender(he was udfa). He would be our #3 for sure. I think we could sign Tre Boston for <3M as well

I would be very happy with these moves, considering the relatively low figures these young guys will command. If we can get Breeland for less then 5M too then I'd be stoked. Unfortunately all 3 are not doable given our cap situation.

 

[Deleted member 6794]

Yup, I fully agree and there are a few ways to achieve that.

1. Current roster: About the only guy I see that might be an adequate starter is Allison and that could be a reach to think he will be all that great.

Allison had some pretty decent games with Rodgers throwing him the ball. I'm not convinced he will develop into a reliable starter either though.

Still think we should go after Snead. Saints don’t have much cap space and they just tendered him as an original round tender(he was udfa). He would be our #3 for sure. I think we could sign Tre Boston for <3M as well

The Packers first have to address the cornerback position before thinking about adding a veteran safety.

 

[GleefulGary]

The Packers first have to address the cornerback position before thinking about adding a veteran safety.

Why? Why does the order matter? At this point the money shouldn't be an issue. Just get guys.

 

[PackAttack12]

Yeah, someone with top end speed to open up the offense and create big plays. People say Rodgers can make any wr look good, and part of that is true to an extent. But we still need premier talent at the wr position opposite Adams. I remember when Jordy went down in 2015 it had the whole offense looking like crap, and Rodgers had one of his worst years as a starter. I’m not hopeful if we start the season with Geronimo being the starter as he’s almost like a slower far less talented version of Adams.

There were many other contributing factors to Rodgers below average play (by his standards) in 2015, but Jordy going down was most certainly a big factor.

 

[gbgary]

Yet the Packers won their last Super Bowl with Greg Jennings as their #1. A good receiver by all means but not elite (his numbers were elite but that was due to QB play).

yes. but he wasn't all they had. he got open. he made the plays. that's on jennings.

 

[gbgary]

https://247sports.com/nfl/green-bay...my-Graham-is-just-a-red-zone-target-117023330

"All Jimmy is now is a red zone target," the exec said. "They are saying, 'OK, when we get to the red zone, we are just going to have our quarterback throw the fade ball up to Jimmy Graham and let him go get it.' Jimmy is best at that, but outside the red zone, he just doesn't run routes hard anymore. You get a veteran guy who has had injuries and he really only wants to play when it is touchdown time."

food for thought with the #2 wr spot unfilled.

 

[brandon2348]

While I am all for adding a high offensive pick, I dont see any value at 14 unless Barkley slips (which won't happen). Therefore I'd be extremely disappointed if we went offense in the first this year. I understand your thinking but I feel like this is the year that we can take one of the premier defensive prospects which slip out of the top 10 due to the QB run. WR could definitely use some depth, but could also be got in Clark in the 2nd or Brown in the 3rd. OL could need some depth as well but I have faith in the Packer FO taking some pickings in the middle to later rounds for this group. For me, at #14 its got to be a pick in the back 7 of the D.

Its all about "perception" and who you listen too. For example the draft experts at CBS have Sutton as the 5th best prospect ahead of S.Barkley. Walter football has Sutton as the 17th best player. Obvioulsy some boards out there have Sutton lower as "Beauty is in the eye of the Beholder". I just think its plain ridiculous to not have Sutton in the same conversation(with our glarring weakness at reciever) as some of these other guys being mentioned here.

https://www.cbssports.com/nfl/draft/prospect-rankings/

 

[Pokerbrat2000]

There were many other contributing factors to Rodgers below average play (by his standards) in 2015, but Jordy going down was most certainly a big factor.

Agreed and it is odd how some don't see how the opposite could happen....Rodgers goes down and Jordy's play suffers. "Jordy is overpaid and washed up" Would love to see Jordy have a Pro Bowl year for the Raiders.

 

[PackAttack12]

Agreed and it is odd how some don't see how the opposite could happen....Rodgers goes down and Jordy's play suffers. "Jordy is overpaid and washed up" Would love to see Jordy have a Pro Bowl year for the Raiders.

I think the biggest problem when Jordy went down is that McCarthy was stubborn and wouldn't change the team's style of play. It wasn't until we were almost sunk in 2016 that he began implementing the short passing game that got Rodgers back on track. Jordy blew the tops off of coverages prior to his injury. Without that threat, our previous offensive philosophy just simply didn't work. Defenses didn't fear the deep ball because no one could beat man coverage down the field. Or man coverage anywhere on the field for that matter.

In the case of Jordy though, I think he's lost quite a bit. He could very well have a good year with the Raiders. But I'm also fully convinced that the Packers made the correct move in releasing him in favor of Graham.

 

[Sunshinepacker]

yes. but he wasn't all they had. he got open. he made the plays. that's on jennings.

Yes, he knew how to get open for an accurate, strong QB who is great at reading defenses and leading his receivers and throwing into tight windows. There's value there. Just not "first round of the draft" kind of value.

 

[Sunshinepacker]

https://247sports.com/nfl/green-bay...my-Graham-is-just-a-red-zone-target-117023330

food for thought with the #2 wr spot unfilled.

What are people expecting out of the #2 WR spot? Why is Cobb not the second WR? It's like people can't imagine an offense without two terrific wide receivers! Last year the Eagles fielded a really good offense and the leading receiver on the team was Zach Ertz with 824 yards. If you think Adams is the #1 WR and he'll get about 1,200+ yards receiving then I don't understand the issue with assuming Cobb can get 800-1,000 as the #2a with Graham getting 600-800 as #2b. Last year, a TERRIBLE year for the offense, Cobb had 653 yards receiving. Do people think that number won't improve with more targets and more games of Aaron Rodgers?

 

[Pokerbrat2000]

What are people expecting out of the #2 WR spot? Why is Cobb not the second WR? It's like people can't imagine an offense without two terrific wide receivers! Last year the Eagles fielded a really good offense and the leading receiver on the team was Zach Ertz with 824 yards. If you think Adams is the #1 WR and he'll get about 1,200+ yards receiving then I don't understand the issue with assuming Cobb can get 800-1,000 as the #2a with Graham getting 600-800 as #2b. Last year, a TERRIBLE year for the offense, Cobb had 653 yards receiving. Do people think that number won't improve with more targets and more games of Aaron Rodgers?

The Eagles also had 3 RB's that combined for 1500 yards rushing and almost 250 yds of receiving. They also had 3 WR's combine for almost 200o yds, add that to Ertz's 824 yds and I have to wonder if you are still as confident that the Packer offense will be equal to that task?

For me, the concern is what we have seen during various points of the last 3-4 seasons. One of the starting wide receivers of Nelson, Cobb or Adams goes down and the guys coming in are a pretty big drop off. Well here we are today, Nelson is gone and those "other" guys are all pretty much the same, so who is coming in? Even worse, if Adams or Cobb go down, who else is coming in? While I understand people's confidence in the offense and a 3rd WR will be "made", I can't help but look back at what has happened to the Packer offense in the past when one or more of those starting 3 aren't on the field.

I know some of you want to use Graham in the discussion as the 3rd WR, but who is the #1 TE than picking up those stats? Cook and Richard Rodgers combined for 650 yards in 2016.

 

[gbgary]

What are people expecting out of the #2 WR spot? Why is Cobb not the second WR? It's like people can't imagine an offense without two terrific wide receivers! Last year the Eagles fielded a really good offense and the leading receiver on the team was Zach Ertz with 824 yards. If you think Adams is the #1 WR and he'll get about 1,200+ yards receiving then I don't understand the issue with assuming Cobb can get 800-1,000 as the #2a with Graham getting 600-800 as #2b. Last year, a TERRIBLE year for the offense, Cobb had 653 yards receiving. Do people think that number won't improve with more targets and more games of Aaron Rodgers?

they're expecting jennings when he was with driver. they're expecting cobb when he was with jordy. they're expecting adams when he was with jordy. cobb hasn't been a true #2 for awhile now. he takes most of his reps from the slot. why go backwards and put him back at 2? that's not getting better. cobb has proven his value in the slot as a first down machine.

 

[Deleted member 6794]

Why? Why does the order matter? At this point the money shouldn't be an issue. Just get guys.

The Packers don't have enough cap space to sign a veteran receiver, cornerback and safety for several million a season.

they're expecting jennings when he was with driver. they're expecting cobb when he was with jordy. they're expecting adams when he was with jordy. cobb hasn't been a true #2 for awhile now. he takes most of his reps from the slot. why go backwards and put him back at 2? that's not getting better. cobb has proven his value in the slot as a first down machine.

Cobb will definitely line up in the slot for the majority of his snaps. That doesn't mean he won't end up being the #2 receiver for the Packers next season.

 

[Sunshinepacker]

The Eagles also had 3 RB's that combined for 1500 yards rushing and almost 250 yds of receiving. They also had 3 WR's combine for almost 200o yds, add that to Ertz's 824 yds and I have to wonder if you are still as confident that the Packer offense will be equal to that task?

For me, the concern is what we have seen during various points of the last 3-4 seasons. One of the starting wide receivers of Nelson, Cobb or Adams goes down and the guys coming in are a pretty big drop off. Well here we are today, Nelson is gone and those "other" guys are all pretty much the same, so who is coming in? Even worse, if Adams or Cobb go down, who else is coming in? While I understand people's confidence in the offense and a 3rd WR will be "made", I can't help but look back at what has happened to the Packer offense in the past when one or more of those starting 3 aren't on the field.

I know some of you want to use Graham in the discussion as the 3rd WR, but who is the #1 TE than picking up those stats? Cook and Richard Rodgers combined for 650 yards in 2016.

You're right, the Eagles had an offensive coach who actually worked with the players on the team and created a great offense out of what was there. The Packers, right now, have better wide receivers than the Eagles did. So I'd call that a wash, since Ty is just as good a receiver out of the backfield as anyone. SO, in answer to your question, yes, I would EASILY believe the Packers offense is up to that task with Rodgers, Graham, Adams, Cobb, Ty, and Williams. If that offense isn't top-5 or above in the NFL with those as the main pieces, then the offensive staff needs to be fired because they're incompetent.

As for concerns over the offense the past couple of seasons, that's on the QB getting hurt, our "QB guru" coach not actually developing anyone, and the lack of imagination in offensive scheme. The Packers, last season, were basically the most predictable offense in the NFL; they trotted out 3/1 sets at a higher rate than any other team DESPITE starting a backup QB that might have benefited from some variety. There's a reason that MM decided to go back to square one on the offensive playbook, it's because it's old and outdated.

 

[Sunshinepacker]

they're expecting jennings when he was with driver. they're expecting cobb when he was with jordy. they're expecting adams when he was with jordy. cobb hasn't been a true #2 for awhile now. he takes most of his reps from the slot. why go backwards and put him back at 2? that's not getting better. cobb has proven his value in the slot as a first down machine.

And why can't the slot WR be a #2? The slot receiver is REALLY important to many modern NFL offenses. What's the logic behind not wanting him to be the second WR?

 

[gbgary]

Cobb will definitely line up in the slot for the majority of his snaps. That doesn't mean he won't end up being the #2 receiver for the Packers next season.

#2 wr, to me, infers the 2nd of the 2 wide outs...not their place on the stats line. no one refers to the slot position as a 2. i think you know that.

 

[gbgary]

And why can't the slot WR be a #2? The slot receiver is REALLY important to many modern NFL offenses. What's the logic behind not wanting him to be the second WR?

you can line your #1 or your #2 in the slot. it's done all the time to set up a match-up or play. cobb isn't productive o/s anymore though. that's why he's in the slot in the first place. remember how bad he was as a #1? 1= best, 2= 2nd best, 3= slot. cobb is a 3 now. he lost his 2 position to adams. Packers need a real 2, to add to the mix, or they haven't improved. not that allison can't be a contributor but out there as the everyday #2 doesn't do anything for the O.

 

[Sunshinepacker]

you can line your #1 or your #2 in the slot. it's done all the time to set up a match-up or play. cobb isn't productive o/s anymore though. that's why he's in the slot in the first place. remember how bad he was as a #1? 1= best, 2= 2nd best, 3= slot. cobb is a 3 now. he lost his 2 position to adams. Packers need a real 2, to add to the mix, or they haven't improved. not that allison can't be a contributor but out there as the everyday #2 doesn't do anything for the O.

So because Adams got better and moved to #2 means that Cobb can no longer be #2? That just means that Adams got better. I'll reference the passing game of the Pats (again) because they're a great example of this: a good offensive coach HELPS his offensive players with play design. McCarthy just started dabbling in that last year. Do you really think Cobb wouldn't be amazing in New England? If you think he would be, then the problem isn't with the team's number 2 receiver, it's with the guy designing plays.

 

[Pokerbrat2000]

So because Adams got better and moved to #2 means that Cobb can no longer be #2? That just means that Adams got better. I'll reference the passing game of the Pats (again) because they're a great example of this: a good offensive coach HELPS his offensive players with play design. McCarthy just started dabbling in that last year. Do you really think Cobb wouldn't be amazing in New England? If you think he would be, then the problem isn't with the team's number 2 receiver, it's with the guy designing plays.

For me, the question isn't who you want to lable your #1, 2 or 3 receiver or what McCarthy is or isn't doing, it comes down to talent. Right now the Packers have 2 proven and talented WR's on their roster, Adams and Cobb. The rest of the WR's for now are JAG's. So do with that what you want, blame McCarthy , hope for improvement....whatever. I'm not even sure the great Bill Belichick could get great performances out of Allison, Clark, Davis or Yancey.

 

[Sunshinepacker]

For me, the question isn't who you want to lable your #1, 2 or 3 receiver or what McCarthy is or isn't doing, it comes down to talent. Right now the Packers have 2 proven and talented WR's on their roster, Adams and Cobb. The rest of the WR's for now are JAG's. So do with that what you want, blame McCarthy , hope for improvement....whatever. I'm not even sure the great Bill Belichick could get great performances out of Allison, Clark, Davis or Yancey.

Oh, ok, I misunderstood what you were driving at. I guess I'm more comfortable with having two proven good receivers. That's about what most teams have, the Steelers didn't even have that last year (Smith-Schuster did pretty well as a 2nd round rookie). I guess I have confidence that, while the offense won't be as good, if Cobb goes down then Allison, Clark, Davis, or whatever (hopefully) non-first round WR rookie can keep the offense going. If Adams goes down that'll be problematic but that's true for every team in the NFL; you lose your primary receiving threat it's not really possible to just replace that player. It would be great to have the receiving corp of Cobb, Jennings, Nelson, Driver but that's pretty rare in the NFL; we have to hope that the guys already on the roster will improve and turn out better than we thought.

 

[Pokerbrat2000]

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[gbgary]

So because Adams got better and moved to #2 means that Cobb can no longer be #2? That just means that Adams got better. I'll reference the passing game of the Pats (again) because they're a great example of this: a good offensive coach HELPS his offensive players with play design. McCarthy just started dabbling in that last year. Do you really think Cobb wouldn't be amazing in New England? If you think he would be, then the problem isn't with the team's number 2 receiver, it's with the guy designing plays.

the Packers have two receivers right now. adams (who some consider a 1 and others consider a 2 in reality) and cobb (who everyone considers a 3...except you). that's not enough. a red zone te is nice to have but they need another wide out, who's at least as good as jordy was (tier 2), because as Pockerbrat said the rest are just guys. if it doesn't happen the O is no better...and then, what's the point? no better just puts more pressure on Rodgers to be a miracle worker. why not make his job easier in his advancing years with surgically repaired collar bones?

 

[Deleted member 6794]

You're right, the Eagles had an offensive coach who actually worked with the players on the team and created a great offense out of what was there. The Packers, right now, have better wide receivers than the Eagles did. So I'd call that a wash, since Ty is just as good a receiver out of the backfield as anyone. SO, in answer to your question, yes, I would EASILY believe the Packers offense is up to that task with Rodgers, Graham, Adams, Cobb, Ty, and Williams. If that offense isn't top-5 or above in the NFL with those as the main pieces, then the offensive staff needs to be fired because they're incompetent.

I'm not convinced the Packers have a more talented receiving corps than the Eagles. Once again, despite the steady criticism of McCarthy the team ranks third in points scored during his tenure. I fully expect the offense to be elite as long as Rodgers stays healthy.

#2 wr, to me, infers the 2nd of the 2 wide outs...not their place on the stats line. no one refers to the slot position as a 2. i think you know that.

The #2 wide receiver is the second most talented player at the position no matter where he primarily lines up.

1= best, 2= 2nd best, 3= slot. cobb is a 3 now. he lost his 2 position to adams. Packers need a real 2, to add to the mix, or they haven't improved.

If Adams is the second best receiver on the roster who do you think is #1???

 

[gbgary]

The #2 wide receiver is the second most talented player at the position no matter where he primarily lines up.

If Adams is the second best receiver on the roster who do you think is #1???

point 1: no debate there. but saying cobb is the #2 wide out now is just wrong. he's a 3. a slot guy primarily. they're missing the #2.
point 2: i'm not saying he's second best on the roster. he's clearly the best. i'm saying some may not think he's a true #1 by league standards. this season will tell what he is.