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point 1: no debate there. but saying cobb is the #2 wide out now is just wrong. he's a 3. a slot guy primarily. they're missing the #2.
point 2: i'm not saying he's second best on the roster. he's clearly the best. i'm saying some may not think he's a true #1 by league standards. this season will tell what he is.

I agree the Packers should add another starting caliber receiver capable of lining up on the outside opposite of Adams but Cobb is currently the team's #2 receiver. Adams isn't an elite WR but in my opinion definitely a decent #1.
 

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Cobb would still be considered the Packers #2 receiver though.

Absolutely.

There are positions and options. Adams can play X, Y, Z and is our 1st option. Cobb is best as a Y, and is our #2 option.

But some people see Cobb called our #2 WR, which is accurate, and start screaming that Cobb shouldn't play outside. Understanding the difference between positild and options would eliminate a lot of confusion among people imo.
 
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The X, Y, Z designations are needlessly confusing unless the terms are defined each time they are used.

Traditionally, the X was your split end on the weak side lined up on the line of scrimage to satisfy the requirement that there be 7 guys on the line. The Y is the in-line TE. The Z is the flanker on the strong side who may line up off the line of scrimage. If you run it that way, the split end can't motion but the flanker can. Theoretically, the split end is mano a mono with a corner whereas the flanker may run a combination route with the TE. Note there is no slot receiver designation; this the old school two-back set. Think McGee-Ron Kramer-Dowler. Of course we still see this from time to time, but these are almost always run plays with a lead blocker with the occasional short timing pass.

With the growing and now universal use of the slot receiver, some folks call the slot the Y receiver and the in-line TE simply the TE. Others still call the in-line TE the Y receiver the slot receiver simply the slot.

To avoid all the confusion, I find it easist to call the X and Z simply wideouts and with the 3 and 4 wide variations looking for matchups you'd prefer them to be interchangeable. The TE can be either in-line, slot, wideout or the H-back if he's in the backfield. Some refer to a TE that splits out to slot or wideout a "joker".

Now, I don't see Adams as an especially threatening deep ball receiver. He doesn't track and adjust to the deep ball all that well and he doesn't have the long speed that Nelson had and then lost. The 40 time notwithstanding, Nelson had a long strider's 5th. gear whereby he could separate downfield and he never got caught from behind. Adams doesn't have that; he makes his money chielfly on the quickness of his breaks and double moves.

It would seem a bonafide speed threat on the perimeter is in order even if you don't throw it to him all that much, which is probably going to be the case regardless with a rookie given Rodgers exacting standards.
 
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the Packers have two receivers right now. adams (who some consider a 1 and others consider a 2 in reality) and cobb (who everyone considers a 3...except you). that's not enough. a red zone te is nice to have but they need another wide out, who's at least as good as jordy was (tier 2), because as Pockerbrat said the rest are just guys. if it doesn't happen the O is no better...and then, what's the point? no better just puts more pressure on Rodgers to be a miracle worker. why not make his job easier in his advancing years with surgically repaired collar bones?

Wouldn't a defense with actual good players in the secondary and pass rusher also make his job easier? I'm not anti-WR by any means. Just not this year with a weaker than usual top-tier WR group. A rookie WR isn't going to make his job any easier and, despite what some have come to expect, most receivers don't really start to get it until their third year. I'm willing to give the guys on the team a little time to improve before sounding the alarm that the team needs to value receiver help over anything-on-defense help.
 

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I'm not convinced the Packers have a more talented receiving corps than the Eagles. Once again, despite the steady criticism of McCarthy the team ranks third in points scored during his tenure. I fully expect the offense to be elite as long as Rodgers stays healthy.

I generally give Rodgers the majority of the credit for the offenses success. Mainly because I've seen what McCarthy is capable of without Rodgers on the field.
 

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point 1: no debate there. but saying cobb is the #2 wide out now is just wrong. he's a 3. a slot guy primarily. they're missing the #2.
point 2: i'm not saying he's second best on the roster. he's clearly the best. i'm saying some may not think he's a true #1 by league standards. this season will tell what he is.

Perhaps the confusion I'm feeling is in the way we're defining receivers. You say #2 and I take that to mean the second best receiver where I think you just mean the guy lining up outside opposite of Adams. Yes, the Packers need to find another outside receiver in a classic sense; the guy could already be on the roster or the packers could get one. Either way, next season Cobb will be the second best receiver on the team (actually tied with Graham but some have issues calling a receiving TE who doesn't block a receiver).
 
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Wouldn't a defense with actual good players in the secondary and pass rusher also make his job easier? I'm not anti-WR by any means. Just not this year with a weaker than usual top-tier WR group. A rookie WR isn't going to make his job any easier and, despite what some have come to expect, most receivers don't really start to get it until their third year. I'm willing to give the guys on the team a little time to improve before sounding the alarm that the team needs to value receiver help over anything-on-defense help.
Day 2 for a wideout is the way I see it.
 

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Day 2 for a wideout is the way I see it.

And I am perfectly fine with that (though I'd prefer third round rather than second). I just don't see any of the projected first round receivers and think, "Yeah, that's a future Pro Bowl receiver with an average QB". I mean, none of these guys would be in the conversation for a top-15 pick in the last two drafts so why are they in that conversation now? Yes, I'm aware that the 2016 draft didn't see a receiver drafted until 15 with Corey Coleman, who was a better prospect than any of the guys we're talking about this year (though not by much).
 

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Our secondary will be torched again for another year!! Will this “ Our Secondary “ ever ever get any better!! I’m actually go watch film videos on House and Williams to get a good insight on them. Ok K. King, T. Williams, D. House, J. Dawkins, D. Goodson, L. Pipkins, D. Brown, Q. Rollins, H. Waters!!! These are Our CB’s!! And can someone anyone tell me WHEN this group of CB’s were any good. Now I understand they might have brought back a Williams and House for some type of leadership role or experience, but really!!! This secondary has been getting torched for years to come. So please can someone explain to me where’s the good in this group. Someone please enlighten me here!! Cause I’m not seeing the upside on this!! In other words There really is NOOOOOO change in this secondary!! It’s the same as what we been having. Only thing changed is WEEEE Lost Burnett and Randle and brought back Williams who is 35! So I guess it’s left up to the draft! So I’m going to watch videos on These guys to see where the positive is!!
 

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Our secondary will be torched again for another year!! Will this “ Our Secondary “ ever ever get any better!! I’m actually go watch film videos on House and Williams to get a good insight on them. Ok K. King, T. Williams, D. House, J. Dawkins, D. Goodson, L. Pipkins, D. Brown, Q. Rollins, H. Waters!!! These are Our CB’s!! And can someone anyone tell me WHEN this group of CB’s were any good. Now I understand they might have brought back a Williams and House for some type of leadership role or experience, but really!!! This secondary has been getting torched for years to come. So please can someone explain to me where’s the good in this group. Someone please enlighten me here!! Cause I’m not seeing the upside on this!! In other words There really is NOOOOOO change in this secondary!! It’s the same as what we been having. Only thing changed is WEEEE Lost Burnett and Randle and brought back Williams who is 35! So I guess it’s left up to the draft! So I’m going to watch videos on These guys to see where the positive is!!

So what would your plan be right now? Packers did pursue other options at CB in Free Agency, as well as there is a draft coming up and also still a few unsigned FA's.
 

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Ok what would I do!! Hmmmmm ok. I wouldn’t have brought House back. There’s no reason for it even if it is for one year. Why!! Are they saying he knows the system the defense! Its just another roster space being taken up for the fact it’s only one year. Now yes there’s a chance he can be released, but then what’s the point, and yes I can see your point where they had other options. I just think it’s a waste of time and roster space. I’m sorry it’s just frustrating to see the same old same old year after year when you know this secondary is horrible. And I know we really didn’t have the cap room to get guys like Butler or Johnson or other top corners. So I guess we get what we get. So I’ll just sit back and see what happens. But if we’re stuck with this same group of corners!! The pressure will be on Rodgers and the Offence to put up major points. Randall was our best corner and he wasn’t all that either and he’s gone. Remember Cleveland almost beat us. So let’s see what we do in the draft. DRC and Breeland was out there!!! Did we really pursue them?!! I’ll just sit back and wait too see what happens. And remember we play the toughest schedule this year!!
 

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Ok what would I do!! Hmmmmm ok. I wouldn’t have brought House back. There’s no reason for it even if it is for one year. Why!! Are they saying he knows the system the defense! Its just another roster space being taken up for the fact it’s only one year. Now yes there’s a chance he can be released, but then what’s the point, and yes I can see your point where they had other options. I just think it’s a waste of time and roster space. I’m sorry it’s just frustrating to see the same old same old year after year when you know this secondary is horrible. And I know we really didn’t have the cap room to get guys like Butler or Johnson or other top corners. So I guess we get what we get. So I’ll just sit back and see what happens. But if we’re stuck with this same group of corners!! The pressure will be on Rodgers and the Offence to put up major points. Randall was our best corner and he wasn’t all that either and he’s gone. Remember Cleveland almost beat us. So let’s see what we do in the draft. DRC and Breeland was out there!!! Did we really pursue them?!! I’ll just sit back and wait too see what happens. And remember we play the toughest schedule this year!!
stream of consciousness lol.... I get being frustrated but .....
 

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free agency. lol what a joke it's been. watch them trade down in the draft now.

Considering trading down is generally the best option I'm not sure what your point is. This year is no different
 

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I was a lil surprised that people would be freaking out about bringing back a guy who is pretty easily a solid depth guy on a cheap one year deal then I remembered that people get upset about everything this time of year.

Draft a CB high, this doesn't change that, and House is your dime back. Do people really think he wouldn't be a quality #4 CB on most teams in this league?
 
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