The Free Agency Thread

[PackerDNA]

How about a safety who IMO has been overlooked- Kenny Vaccaro.

 

[RRyder]

Right, but....are you going to just line him, Adams and Cobb up? Packers still need someone capable of lining up outside IMO.

Actually yeah. Graham only really excels when split out wide. He's not really good lined up in line and is marginal in the slot.

Adam's on one side. Graham on the other and Cobb in the slot.

(Its why I hated the signing. We payed big money for a big slow WR on a team that needs speed)

 

[Sunshinepacker]

Right, but....are you going to just line him, Adams and Cobb up? Packers still need someone capable of lining up outside IMO.

Adams is that guy. With some creativity (a big ask from McCarthy) a receiving trio of Adams, Cobb, and Graham with Rodgers throwing the ball should be plenty for the Packers to field one of the top-5 offenses in the NFL.

 

[Pokerbrat2000]

Saints are signing Bears’ restricted free-agent WR Cameron Meredith to an offer sheet, per source. 2-year deal worth $9.6M plus incentives, source said, with $5.4M in guarantees.

See how the Bears react to this one. I was wondering if someone would go after Meredith now that the crop of FA WR's has dwindled.

 

[SD Cheesehead]

I still hope we go after Breeland if/when he is healthy. I think a cb room of King, Breeland, Hawkins, Pipkins, and a couple of draft picks (Jackson, Davis, Hughes) is pretty talented group. I know I left Williams out because I think if we can get Breeland and those young guys we wouldn’t need the 35 year old. Anybody know how much of a cap hit he would be if we cut him before the season starts?

 

[Pokerbrat2000]

I still hope we go after Breeland if/when he is healthy. I think a cb room of King, Breeland, Hawkins, Pipkins, and a couple of draft picks (Jackson, Davis, Hughes) is pretty talented group. I know I left Williams out because I think if we can get Breeland and those young guys we wouldn’t need the 35 year old. Anybody know how much of a cap hit he would be if we cut him before the season starts?

$4.75M Tramon isn't going anywhere.

 

[gbgary]

You can put whatever two letters after his name you want, Graham is the #2 receiver. He doesn't block, he catches passes. Hence, receiver.

yes...he catches passes but if that's their plan...it's a bad one. he's not, and never has been, a wr. it's a mismatch if he's got linebackers and safeties on him but if a tall db is on him in the middle of the field he'll shut him down. he does well in close quarters though. he'll be a red zone weapon. he doesn't have the greatest hands in the world as it is. they need a stud wr.

 

[Sunshinepacker]

yes...he catches passes but if that's their plan...it's a bad one. he's not, and never has been, a wr. it's a mismatch if he's got linebackers and safeties on him but if a tall db is on him in the middle of the field he'll shut him down. he does well in close quarters though. he'll be a red zone weapon. he doesn't have the greatest hands in the world as it is. they need a stud wr.

They don't need a stud WR. Name the last "stud" WR that won a Super Bowl. Great WRs are needed when a team has a mediocre QB. When a team has the best QB in NFL history, you can make due with decent-to-good WRs. Aside from Talib, I can't think of many DBs that have given Graham problems, he is 6'7" and with a QB as accurate as Rodgers, not many DBs are going to make up for missing half-a-foot in height.

Also, getting Graham on linebackers on safeties is the coach's job. If Graham is consistently being negated by the defense, then that's McCarthy's fault. Great coaches create mismatches, they don't have to rely on great players to do so. The Pats and Eagles collectively have ONE great offensive weapon (Gronk) and both of those teams seemed to do pretty well on offense last year.

 

[RRyder]

yes...he catches passes but if that's their plan...it's a bad one. he's not, and never has been, a wr.

Actually that's what he's always been. His entire career hes been a WR. But since hes listed as a TE people lose their minds over 65-70 catches for 700-800 yards receiving and 8-10 TDs.

Never mind those are pedestrian numbers for a WR..... "He's listed as a TE so he's great!!!!"

 

[Sunshinepacker]

How about a safety who IMO has been overlooked- Kenny Vaccaro.

Quarterbacks didn't overlook him last year. Was terrible covering the slot last year and ended the season for the second time on IR.

 

[sschind]

They don't need a stud WR. Name the last "stud" WR that won a Super Bowl. Great WRs are needed when a team has a mediocre QB. When a team has the best QB in NFL history, you can make due with decent-to-good WRs. Aside from Talib, I can't think of many DBs that have given Graham problems, he is 6'7" and with a QB as accurate as Rodgers, not many DBs are going to make up for missing half-a-foot in height.

We've had the best QB in NFL history for how long now an we have won how many Super Bowls with him.

Did Barry Sanders win a SB? No. Adrian Peterson? Megatron? Julio Jones? Larry Fitzgerald? No they did not. Does that mean teams don't need stud WRs or RBs to win a SB? Absolutely not. What it means is that it is a team acomplishment and even the best players need help. Who knows. Maybe if we had a stud WR to go with the best QB of all time he would have more than one ring. We haven't won a hell of a lot without a stud WR so yeah, maybe we do need one. It sure as heck couldn't hurt.

But let's keep burying our head in the sand and pretending that Aaron Rodgers and a better defense is all we need to be invincible. We don't need better WRs and RBs because we have Aaron freaking Rodgers

 

[hasamikun]

We've had the best QB in NFL history for how long now an we have won how many Super Bowls with him.

Did Barry Sanders win a SB? No. Adrian Peterson? Megatron? Julio Jones? Larry Fitzgerald? No they did not. Does that mean teams don't need stud WRs or RBs to win a SB? Absolutely not. What it means is that it is a team acomplishment and even the best players need help. Who knows. Maybe if we had a stud WR to go with the best QB of all time he would have more than one ring. We haven't won a hell of a lot without a stud WR so yeah, maybe we do need one. It sure as heck couldn't hurt.

But let's keep burying our head in the sand and pretending that Aaron Rodgers and a better defense is all we need to be invincible. We don't need better WRs and RBs because we have Aaron freaking Rodgers

I am pretty sure we have a stud Wr in Tae and promising talent with Allison, Yancey and Clark and Cobb is actually a good Slot WR, if you believe it or not. Packers need to sign one WR in 2nd or 3rd and they are good.
Our RB situation is also really good. We may hit the jackpot last year with Jones and Williams. They played really well last season and that was just the start . We just need McCarthy to open the playbook for them . Then we got Monty as RB/SLOT back up, Graham and Kendricks at TE. Draft a WR and TE in early/mid- draft and the offense is doing fine.

 

[Mondio]

Thinking any team is going to be invincible no matter who is on their roster is nothing but fantasy. Our offenses have been and most likely will be plenty good to win a championship. We have not lacked multiple passing targets in a decade. I don't see the passing game being a problem this year either. Probably not as strong as it's been depth wise, but talented at the top with some guys that could step into bigger roles.

 

[RRyder]

We've had the best QB in NFL history for how long now an we have won how many Super Bowls with him.

Did Barry Sanders win a SB? No. Adrian Peterson? Megatron? Julio Jones? Larry Fitzgerald? No they did not. Does that mean teams don't need stud WRs or RBs to win a SB? Absolutely not. What it means is that it is a team acomplishment and even the best players need help. Who knows. Maybe if we had a stud WR to go with the best QB of all time he would have more than one ring. We haven't won a hell of a lot without a stud WR so yeah, maybe we do need one. It sure as heck couldn't hurt.

But let's keep burying our head in the sand and pretending that Aaron Rodgers and a better defense is all we need to be invincible. We don't need better WRs and RBs because we have Aaron freaking Rodgers

Depends what you mean by "stud". I'd argue prime Jordy was a stud but we wasn't Megatron

However there is merit to not paying through the nose for WRs when you have a top flight QB. In a salary cap world you HAVE to make sacrifices and when you have a top flight QB that position ends up being WR as the great QB will make a good WR look great while there's diminishing returns when adding a great WR.

Also no team is invincible. But acting like Rodgers hasn't had a plethora of weapons to throw to over the years is disingenuous. The fact of the matter is adding pieces to the defense adds a much bigger return to the team then adding another weapon on offense. That shouldn't even be debatable for this team

 

[gbgary]

They don't need a stud WR. ...

so they wouldn't be better with a stud wide receiver? lol

if graham just takes jordy's place it's a wash. there's no improvement. this team needs to improve on BOTH sides of the ball. to say they don't need to get better on O is nonsense.

 

[gbgary]

Actually that's what he's always been. His entire career hes been a WR. But since hes listed as a TE people lose their minds over 65-70 catches for 700-800 yards receiving and 8-10 TDs.

Never mind those are pedestrian numbers for a WR..... "He's listed as a TE so he's great!!!!"

again, he's best in mismatches with safeties and linebackers. that happens the most when he's inside.

Geronimo as our 2 isn't good enough.

 

[Pokerbrat2000]

While we will see it occasionally, I doubt we will see a 2 back set with only Graham, Adams and Cobb lining up as "receivers". Packers are going to need to find a reliable 3rd "WR".....I don't consider Graham a WR, even though some want to say he plays like one. Seattle did line him up outside occasionally, but from the film I have seen, he mostly lined up between the tackle and a WR.

 

[GleefulGary]

again, he's best in mismatches with safeties and linebackers. that happens the most when he's inside.

Geronimo as our 2 isn't good enough.

Geronimo isn't our #2 option. At best, #4, more likely #5/6.

 

[Pokerbrat2000]

Geronimo isn't our #2 option. At best, #4, more likely #5/6.

If Allison is 5 or 6....who is 3 and 4 (not including TE Jimmy Graham)?

I realize the final roster is by no means complete, but right now, on the depth chart at WR, Allison is #3 and if the rest of the names don't give you any reason to be concerned about the position, than you have a lot more confidence in the group than I do.

LWR 17 Adams, Davante 14/2 10 Yancey, DeAngelo 17/5 80 Tonyan Jr., Robert SF17 13 Pearson, Colby CF17
RWR 18 Cobb, Randall 11/2 81 Allison, Geronimo CF16 11 Davis, Trevor 16/5 89 Clark, Michael CF17 16 Kumerow, Jake SF17

 

[gbgary]

Geronimo isn't our #2 option. At best, #4, more likely #5/6.

not number 2 option...as of now he's our #2 wr. cobb's the slot. we need a big upgrade from Geronimo.

 

[GleefulGary]

not number 2 option...as of now he's our #2 wr. cobb's the slot. we need a big upgrade from Geronimo.

There's an X, a Y, and a Z.

Adams can play all three reasonable well. Cobb is a Y. There's no such thing as a 1,2,3 or 4 WR. Those are options.

We do need to upgrade Geronimo, but it's not nearly as big of a deal as you're making it.

 

[brandon2348]

Depends what you mean by "stud". I'd argue prime Jordy was a stud but we wasn't Megatron

However there is merit to not paying through the nose for WRs when you have a top flight QB. In a salary cap world you HAVE to make sacrifices and when you have a top flight QB that position ends up being WR as the great QB will make a good WR look great while there's diminishing returns when adding a great WR.

Thats why you draft an elite one early and have him locked up for potentially 5 years on team friendly rookie deal instead of trying to hit late round home runs which hasn't panned out.

 

[brandon2348]

yes...he catches passes but if that's their plan...it's a bad one. he's not, and never has been, a wr. it's a mismatch if he's got linebackers and safeties on him but if a tall db is on him in the middle of the field he'll shut him down. he does well in close quarters though. he'll be a red zone weapon. he doesn't have the greatest hands in the world as it is. they need a stud wr.

We need to be patient because this all changes if we get Sutton. Teams wouldn't be able to piggy back on Graham with Sutton commanding similar attention on the outside and his own elite catch radius. You would be hard pressed to find a team in the league that currently has the personnel to match up with us across the board in this situation.

 

[thisisnate]

offense is good enough without reaching for a receiver with our first
good enough offenses win championships
we need defense

 

[brandon2348]

offense is good enough without reaching for a receiver with our first
good enough offenses win championships
we need defense

Its next to impossible to build an elite defense in today's NFL with having a QB with a 30 mill cap hit. You pretty much need a QB on a rookie deal to pull it if off as there is just so many moving parts.

Most recently once the Seahawks had to pay Wilson franchise QB $ there defense started to decline. Just go look at the year by year stats after his new deal.

The Rams will be the next victim of this.