The Big Choice

[McKnowledge]

I'm glad you noticed this too. This has been driving me crazy since...I don't know...the Holmgren era!!!

I don't know if its a pride thing, but Sherman, McCarthy, and even LaFleur all are under the impression they have the perfect game plan, and when things deviate from expectations; they all get frustrated.

No adjustments, seemingly no backup game plans, and zero contingencies when facing in game injuries.

Holmgren and most HOF coaches, don't rest on their laurels; they adjust to WIN the damn game.

There will be no more excuses going forward for Matt LaFleur entering Year 4.

 

[AKCheese]

I‘ve given this much more time than it deserves… so this will be my last reply. I’m not even sure what point you are trying to prove. We all know Rodgers makes mistakes. It should also be obvious that he is a much better QB than most. If you’d rather roll the dice and bet on the longshot fine. Winning a Superbowl is very difficult. Just ask the Vikings. I remember watching the Packers in the 70s and 80s. I also see other teams looking for their first HOF QB EVER and they are still looking. Keep telling yourself how bad Rodgers is… Unfortunately very soon we are all going to find out what it’s like trying to even win a game without one.

Enjoy seeing your/our QB go into the HOF thats fine. He’s old, getting older, arrogant, a drama queen, and flighty. Is he who I want to hitch my wagon to for the next 5 years?…. No… let me emphasize NO!!! I said before this debacle I hoped we win it all then trade Rodgers. Well Rodgers booted the first part away but I’m still hoping Gute can finesse unloading him and putting the franchise in a better position in the mid to long term (2-7 years) Rodgers came back, they gave him what he wanted, he had his shot/called his shot and he clanged it off the rim. Do you honestly think we have a better chance NEXT year than we did THIS year? I don’t

 

[tynimiller]

Enjoy seeing your/our QB go into the HOF thats fine. He’s old, getting older, arrogant, a drama queen, and flighty. Is he who I want to hitch my wagon to for the next 5 years?…. No… let me emphasize NO!!! I said before this debacle I hoped we win it all then trade Rodgers. Well Rodgers booted the first part away but I’m still hoping Gute can finesse unloading him and putting the franchise in a better position in the mid to long term (2-7 years) Rodgers came back, they gave him what he wanted, he had his shot/called his shot and he clanged it off the rim. Do you honestly think we have a better chance NEXT year than we did THIS year? I don’t

Given the roster we would be able to field, it will be inferior IMO to the 2021 roster without question. Every rookie would have to have Stokes like seasons nearly and someone unexpected explode (EQSB if signed, Amari showing out or Winfree…Deguara)

 

[swhitset]

Love it.

When a marginal player drops a ball its all on him.

But when a mvp player throws a ball thats was off target its okay because ST screwed up

so what’s your solution? your only mon mod contribution lately has been passive aggressive swipes at Favre and Rodgers. Do you honestly believe Rodgers was a bigger problem than the special teams in that game?

 

[AKCheese]

so what’s your solution? your only mon mod contribution lately has been passive aggressive swipes at Favre and Rodgers. Do you honestly believe Rodgers was a bigger problem than the special teams in that game?

We lost for two reasons. Special teams gave up plays and our HOF/MVP QB laid an egg. Which one of these was unexpected?

 

[McKnowledge]

MLF is well aware of his issues. I've heard him say "that's on me" so many times throughout the season. Not sure he's capable of fixing the issues though.

Playing the martyr is something you should only do sparingly. After a while, it gets old. Now fans are tuning that mess out. Is Matt LaFleur capable of fixing the issues within the team on seemingly on the field? Yes, he is capable.

Is there pressure from the organization holding LaFleur accountable for these postseason failures? No, I don't think there is. Could the current structure of the organization be an issue?

 

[longtimefan]

so what’s your solution? your only mon mod contribution lately has been passive aggressive swipes at Favre and Rodgers. Do you honestly believe Rodgers was a bigger problem than the special teams in that game?

Not at all. Missing the entire point.

St was a huge blame. I would say 80 percent. Then offense the other 20.

If your okay with this offense scoring 10..good.

Im not

 

[tynimiller]

Playing the martyr is something you should only do sparingly. After a while, it gets old. Now fans are tuning that mess out. Is Matt LaFleur capable of fixing the issues within the team on seemingly on the field? Yes, he is capable.

Is there pressure from the organization holding LaFleur accountable for these postseason failures? No, I don't think there is. Could the current structure of the organization be an issue?

BUT you cannot be a coach finger pointing to the media. We have no clue how he has talked with actual players or staff on subjects that need to change.

Shoot, do you want him to go into rants about specific players in certain moments not making the right read, or not being in the right spot or ignoring something? That wouldn't accomplish anything except breed division internally. The only misstep was the continued mistakes on Special Teams never resulting in Drayton being let go - that is his only big mistake IMO.

 

[Half Empty]

Yes he should … speculating about what Brady would have done is irrelevant though. Saying he is no longer a good QB is just ridiculous. He finished the regular season as the favorite to win the MVP.… and please don’t give me the nonsense about only being a good regular season QB … thats the kind of crap an ESPN reporter would come up with to sell a story. Rodgers did make mistakes in the game. He also made enough plays to win it if others had not made a bunch of key mistakes.

Does that mean we have to stopping giving you nonsense about the sun rising in the east, just because it does it all the time? All we can do is point to the results.

 

[swhitset]

Not at all. Missing the entire point.

St was a huge blame. I would say 80 percent. Then offense the other 20.

If your okay with this offense scoring 10..good.

Im not

no i agree completely with that assessment. But I’m tired of defending Rodgers… when i’m not even really sure I like the guy. If you look at the posts in here… he is certainly getting a lot more than 20% of the complaining and blame.

 

[longtimefan]

so what’s your solution? your only mon mod contribution lately has been passive aggressive swipes at Favre and Rodgers. Do you honestly believe Rodgers was a bigger problem than the special teams in that game?

This is like Brett all over again

People would never blame him. It was always someone else fault.

If all season he was able to produce with pretty much same offense. Why was this game so different?

Answer this
Did he play up to his potential?

 

[swhitset]

Does that mean we have to stopping giving you nonsense about the sun rising in the east, just because it does it all the time? All we can do is point to the results.

what results?… his numbers in the playoffs are very good. Oh you mean team results…. yeah back to that sensational reporter crap. bottom line is they win if special teams doesn’t give the game away…. would that mean Rodgers had played better?

 

[swhitset]

This is like Brett all over again

People would never blame him. It was always someone else fault.

If all season he was able to produce with pretty much same offense. Why was this game so different?

Answer this
Did he play up to his potential?

read my reply above … then come back with something addressing that other 80%…. because i’m dine focusing on your 20

 

[Sunshinepacker]

This is like Brett all over again

People would never blame him. It was always someone else fault.

If all season he was able to produce with pretty much same offense. Why was this game so different?

Answer this
Did he play up to his potential?

Nope, but blaming it all on Rodgers is ignoring the OL issues, Dillon getting hurt, and receiver dropping passes. Rodgers could have played better, but their were plenty of other problems as well. I figure the team has relied on Rodgers being amazing so often that he's allowed the occasional pass when he's merely mortal.

 

[Mondio]

This is like Brett all over again

People would never blame him. It was always someone else fault.

If all season he was able to produce with pretty much same offense. Why was this game so different?

Answer this
Did he play up to his potential?

a lesser QB turns the ball over 4+ times Saturday night. Just because there weren't hightlight plays all over doesn't mean he didn't play pretty well conditions and defense considered. Who were the guy he missed? we have one play, where a guy comes open after the throws the ball and everyone is saying he should have held it and waited. In the next breath they'll tell him he held it too long and took a sack at the end of the first half. They want their cake and by gosh they're going to eat it too

Had the special teams held up even to an average degree, people might be talking about his ability to get us into FG range from the FOUR with about 20 seconds left as a pretty big deal in a good old fashioned cold smash mouth football game. Not everyone gets Tyrek Hill or Travis Kelce running open all over the field play after play after play.

 

[tynimiller]

It is hiliarious how illogical both sides sound.....Rodgers and the Offense sucked (no one can convince me otherwise) and our Special Teams sucked worse (no one can convince me otherwise). If either unit just played less sucky, we probably limp out of Lambeau with a win.

 

[Mondio]

Love it.

When a marginal player drops a ball its all on him.

But when a mvp player throws a ball thats was off target its okay because ST screwed up

Lets be honest here, ZERO of those "off target" balls were remotely uncatchable balls. Had they been maybe I'd give it more credence. and he had ONE to Adams that could have gone for more. the one to Lazard? there was a guy coming over his outside shoulder from behind. Zero issues putting that one down and away to shield it from the defender, intentional or not. The one to Deguara? intentional or not, it's a catchable ball 10 out of 10 times for a first down at midfield. There was nothing uncatchable about that ball.

and still, when all his "off" passes were for first downs in the game, i'm having a hard time accepting they were the problem.

 

[Half Empty]

Not taking a jab, but where does an evaluation like this come from? Certainly is reasonable to say that a lesser QB might not even have gotten the 10 points or would have completed fewer passes or something like that, but

a lesser QB turns the ball over 4+ times Saturday night

??

 

[Mondio]

It is hiliarious how illogical both sides sound.....Rodgers and the Offense sucked (no one can convince me otherwise) and our Special Teams sucked worse (no one can convince me otherwise). If either unit just played less sucky, we probably limp out of Lambeau with a win.

The offense did suck, our tackles got whipped, our receivers couldn't get open. Dillon got hurt and Jones couldn't be our every down pass catcher and runner without wearing down. They didn't trust P. Taylor with the ball, Big Dawg carrying the ball out loose like he has everytime this year finally lost one.

My issue is all these people thinking because Rodgers is Aaron Rodgers he should have just "made more plays". I think it shows a complete lack of appreciation or understanding for the elements and the game that was being played before their eyes.

 

[tynimiller]

The offense did suck, our tackles got whipped, our receivers couldn't get open. Dillon got hurt and Jones couldn't be our every down pass catcher and runner without wearing down. They didn't trust P. Taylor with the ball, Big Dawg carrying the ball out loose like he has everytime this year finally lost one.

My issue is all these people thinking because Rodgers is Aaron Rodgers he should have just "made more plays". I think it shows a complete lack of appreciation or understanding for the elements and the game that was being played before their eyes.

Rodgers wasn't anywhere close to as good as he had been in the regular season, not close. Folks are so quick to dismiss his lack of playing to his potential, but will rip Lewis or back up OL or guys playing along the line in a spot that isn't their best place instead.....

 

[Mondio]

Not taking a jab, but where does an evaluation like this come from? Certainly is reasonable to say that a lesser QB might not even have gotten the 10 points or would have completed fewer passes or something like that, but


??

You've seen other QB's under that type of pressure? Some of the shots in that cold is very often fumbled. Receivers covered that tight down after down after down? against those defenses get tipped and picked. I see lesser QB's lose it more with less pressure on them in perfect conditions all season long, you think I made an unreasonable comment?

 

[Mondio]

Rodgers wasn't anywhere close to as good as he had been in the regular season, not close. Folks are so quick to dismiss his lack of playing to his potential, but will rip Lewis or back up OL or guys playing along the line in a spot that isn't their best place instead.....

again, WHERE was he supposed to go with it? WHere, down distance player time on clock SHOW ME all these plays he missed. So far we have lazard in the middle of the field near the end, and a couple plays that went for 1st downs. You gotta do better.

and yes, I will rip Lewis because he carries the ball out flailing around everytime he catches one. Everyone cheers whenever the Big Dawg gets a few yards and i'm yelling at the TV to put away and it cost us. But Rodgers forced some INT's and that's why we lost?

 

[McKnowledge]

BUT you cannot be a coach finger pointing to the media. We have no clue how he has talked with actual players or staff on subjects that need to change.

I chose to reply to this first part, because the rest was irrelevant, not even close to what I was talking about.

All LaFleur had to do was change "I" to "we" and that's that.

GB presents a united front to the media.

Continually putting his "neck" out for the media vultures is gonna lead to his downfall despite the crazy good regular season record and resurgence of Aaron Rodgers.

Playing the martyr is gonna leave LaFluer on the chopping block. How did honor work out for Ned Stark?

 

[Voyageur]

For a guy who doesn't know where to throw the ball, Rodgers has a tremendous record on INTs, QBR, and TDs. I just don't see how people can look at a play, and diagnosis, without actually knowing the routes that each player was supposed to make, and the timing of it.

I'd still rather have Rodgers under center that almost every QB in the league, when the chips are down.

Please! Name all the QBs you'd rather have in the lineup with the Packers starting a 2 minute drive, 80 yards of field, and no time outs, and being behind by 6.

 

[pacmaniac]

Some of you guys are basically wishing that BOTH the defense AND special teams had played a perfect game, then Rodgers would have won. Well, you got half of that - the defense was almost perfect. But you are asking WAY too much for a perfect game from special teams, especially with a year's worth of game film showing all the weaknesses that the 49ers could exploit. We knew Rodgers would need to play well enough to compensate for that, and he didn't.