The Amari Rodgers Thread

[Heyjoe4]

You know. You remind me that we went through this similar situation when MM took over play calling.
It was a mess, just like this one.

When did MM take over playcalling? Also, do guys like Reid, Shanahan, McVay call the plays for their teams?

 

[OldSchool101]

He's lost control of the ball in every single game he's played this year, yesterday it cost points at a critical time.

Yes and I remember another one that he clearly let go out inside our 5 yard line.
At this point when you net out these last couple bad ones, You could almost have went without a Punt Returner period this season and evened out.

 

[OldSchool101]

When did MM take over playcalling? Also, do guys like Reid, Shanahan, McVay call the plays for their teams?

Someone else might recall what season that was that Mike did both jobs. Maybe post-Philbin??

Just found it was for Tom Clements in 2015. They hit a lull mid season with a 2-4 stretch at 20.8 per game

When Mike called plays we had only 2 out of 9 seasons outside a top 10 O DVOA Rating. 1 was Rodgers first season

 

[Heyjoe4]

Someone else might recall what season that was that Mike did both jobs. Maybe post-Philbin??

Just found it was for Tom Clements in 2015.

Thanks. I think it’s better to have the OC and DC call plays. The HC should be monitoring everything.

 

[tynimiller]

Yeah you’re probably right. We can’t beat on him at the first signs of a season going south. I think we all feel let down, expecting another great year.

Ty what are your thoughts on trading for a quality WR before the Nov 1 deadline?

I'm so incredibly mixed. We still cannot properly gauge what we have due to injuries...Watson, Watkins and now Cobb all issues...

One small trade I'd love to see them do is call Jags and see if they'd do a Amari Rodgers for Jamal Agnew swap. Both players are DEEP on depth charts, both could use new scene and both may turn into something. Jags are the only team I think willing to give you anything if there is desire to give their QB one of his college weapons of old.

As for others....I have a few guys I like but I fear prices are ludacris if rumors true (Claypool or DJ Moore)...Callaway from the Saints could be a good one with a team looking to move him possibly. I fear there isn't a WR that is going to magically make the play calling work better...or OL run block better (or pass block also for that matter)...

It's tough to predict but I do sense we will be adding someone for sure, if I were to bet on it I think Callaway is a leading candidate given the cross point of value vs cost is there...an odd one perhaps we kick tires on is Terrace Marshal...the past draft stud that hasn't played into time yet hardly at all for his team, issue is I don't want this to be the ONLY move we do WR wise if we do it because he isn't instantly in your top 4 even.

 

[OldSchool101]

As for others....I have a few guys I like but I fear prices are ludacris if rumors true (Claypool or DJ Moore)..

Know what you mean. Although We now know we’re not picking last also. They just might consider a mid 2nd rounder type selection for Claypool. That’s a nice area there in the top 50
Heck. I’d even throw in Amari Rodgers as a bonus

 

[Heyjoe4]

I dislike the playcalling on offense (defense too. How many passes in the flat for big gains b4 the coach realizes someone has to be covering that area or the guy coming out of the backfield?) but it is difficult to know who is the culprit on offense. Rodgers or LaFleur? Is LaFleur's offensive plan to throw to the flat so much? Cause that not only is boring but it sucks as a plan.

Agreed, and Rodgers isn't throwing any short passes between the ILBs and the Safeties. Those are usually easy to execute, especially against a zone, and Rodgers can throw dimes in there. It doesn't require a lot of technique from the receiver either.

I don't know folks. Should Gluten trade for a real WR this week? Is it possible to find a trading partner? I'm thinking the Jets, Panthers, and Steelers as potential trade partners. It will require a lot of draft capital and Gluten isn't bargaining from a place of strength. It would look like the deal SF made for McCaffrey.

Normally I dislike trading away daft picks. But it's desperation time. And if Rodgers retires after this year, might as well push the rest of the chips to the middle. Thoughts? Thanks all!

 

[OldSchool101]

Agreed, and Rodgers isn't throwing any short passes between the ILBs and the Safeties. Those are usually easy to execute, especially against a zone, and Rodgers can throw dimes in there. It doesn't require a lot of technique from the receiver either.

I don't know folks. Should Gluten trade for a real WR this week? Is it possible to find a trading partner? I'm thinking the Jets, Panthers, and Steelers as potential trade partners. It will require a lot of draft capital and Gluten isn't bargaining from a place of strength. It would look like the deal SF made for McCaffrey.

Normally I dislike trading away daft picks. But it's desperation time. And if Rodgers retires after this year, might as well push the rest of the chips to the middle. Thoughts? Thanks all!

I’m ok with it up to a 2nd Rounder max. Might even want a later Day 3 selection in return

 

[Heyjoe4]

I’m ok with it up to a 2nd Rounder. We should keep in mind there’s a strict possibility we’re picking mid draft or better. That’s a top 40-50 type selection.
No way should we consider a pick in the teens etc.

Agree. Gluten has to decide if the addition of a quality WR would salvage the season (that means making the playoffs).

And I agree that it's not worth more than a 2nd round pick. A lot depends on what Gluten would be getting.

 

[tynimiller]

I’m ok with it up to a 2nd Rounder max. Might even want a later Day 3 selection in return

If I don't think the addition makes me picking in one of the last four to six picks minimum I'm not wasting capital doing it.

 

[OldSchool101]

Agree. Gluten has to decide if the addition of a quality WR would salvage the season (that means making the playoffs).

And I agree that it's not worth more than a 2nd round pick. A lot depends on what Gluten would be getting.

Here we’d get what’s likely a
True WR2 with Claypool. He’s like $1M remainder of this season and he’s on a rookie contract through 2023. Flip side is he’s a known quantity and he’s consistently good. He’s not porpoising up and down each season. Very steady production
Small chance Chase develops into a lower WR1.

We will need some weapons at WR regardless who is at QB. We can’t have Rodgers or Love using Lazard as a WR1. That’s Just not going to work. It’s becoming increasingly apparent that Sammy and Christian are just injury prone and can’t be counted on regularly. Please understand I don’t mean that as a personal attack on either player, they seem like stand up gentleman, yet we need production sometime soon… like yesterday

 

[Schultz]

Amari WHEN he has the ball secured is above average with it worst case...he did run some solid routes on Sunday and that deep scramble play he nearly came up with a miracle catch on the overthrow.

Unfortunately for Amari and the Packers securing the ball is a big part of punt returning.

 

[Magooch]

I really don't know what the right course of action would be at this point. We're just in a bit of a mess.
FiveThirtyEight currently has us at a 27% chance of making the playoffs. Let's say that's vaguely accurate...would adding one WR be enough to add another ~25% on and swing that to greater than 50% chance of making the playoffs? Is there any move we can realistically make that not only would push us into the playoffs but make us a legitimate contender? I get that so long as you "make the dance" and have a guy like Rodgers at the helm anything can happen but I think it's fair at this point just how much we want to further mortgage our future for a chance at making the playoffs if we're not realistically going to be a contender to do much once we get there.

And if we're being honest...at some point we have to start considering that making the playoffs means getting a bottom-half of the round pick while failing to make the playoffs means getting a top-half pick. The more we lose, the more it seems like we need to add a WR, but at the same time the more we lose the more valuable any pick we'd potentially be giving up becomes. Even a second-round pick could well be a top-40 selection for us with the way things are going.

Of course, there are still some benefits for getting a guy like Claypool, for instance (just a name we have seen a lot). Say he costs a 2nd-round pick. He's just 24 and would still be under contract for a year after this one IIRC. Or perhaps Jerry Jeudy, who would be a bit more expensive but is under contract for through 2023 with the option for 2024 (I don't know how the numbers would work out for us, though). At 24/23 respectively you'd likely be able to get them secured for a few more years and have a solid player at your disposal, either for Rodgers or to help out Love in the future (or whoever our next QB may be) and chances are that even if you kept your 2nd-round pick they probably wouldn't turn out to be as good of a receiver as either one of Claypool or Jeudy, for example (not like Gute would take one there anyways...). So maybe you make a deal with the hopes that it helps out now and even if it doesn't you get a valuable future addition.

But I really don't know. If we had won yesterday or a couple more in recent weeks I'd probably have a more positive outlook but right now it feels like we are WAY more than just a WR (or any one piece) away from being serious contenders, so I guess ultimately I'm questioning why exactly we'd wanna be "buyers" at this point. Not saying it's time to clean shop and burn it all down and just tank or anything like that, but as much as I would have liked to see us make some more aggressive moves at this point I'm not really sure it makes a ton of sense to be selling off any more of our future.

 

[tynimiller]

Unfortunately for Amari and the Packers securing the ball is a big part of punt returning.

LOL right as it should be.

 

[OldSchool101]

I really don't know what the right course of action would be at this point. We're just in a bit of a mess.
FiveThirtyEight currently has us at a 27% chance of making the playoffs. Let's say that's vaguely accurate...would adding one WR be enough to add another ~25% on and swing that to greater than 50% chance of making the playoffs? Is there any move we can realistically make that not only would push us into the playoffs but make us a legitimate contender? I get that so long as you "make the dance" and have a guy like Rodgers at the helm anything can happen but I think it's fair at this point just how much we want to further mortgage our future for a chance at making the playoffs if we're not realistically going to be a contender to do much once we get there.

And if we're being honest...at some point we have to start considering that making the playoffs means getting a bottom-half of the round pick while failing to make the playoffs means getting a top-half pick. The more we lose, the more it seems like we need to add a WR, but at the same time the more we lose the more valuable any pick we'd potentially be giving up becomes. Even a second-round pick could well be a top-40 selection for us with the way things are going.

Of course, there are still some benefits for getting a guy like Claypool, for instance (just a name we have seen a lot). Say he costs a 2nd-round pick. He's just 24 and would still be under contract for a year after this one IIRC. Or perhaps Jerry Jeudy, who would be a bit more expensive but is under contract for through 2023 with the option for 2024 (I don't know how the numbers would work out for us, though). At 24/23 respectively you'd likely be able to get them secured for a few more years and have a solid player at your disposal, either for Rodgers or to help out Love in the future (or whoever our next QB may be) and chances are that even if you kept your 2nd-round pick they probably wouldn't turn out to be as good of a receiver as either one of Claypool or Jeudy, for example (not like Gute would take one there anyways...). So maybe you make a deal with the hopes that it helps out now and even if it doesn't you get a valuable future addition.

But I really don't know. If we had won yesterday or a couple more in recent weeks I'd probably have a more positive outlook but right now it feels like we are WAY more than just a WR (or any one piece) away from being serious contenders, so I guess ultimately I'm questioning why exactly we'd wanna be "buyers" at this point. Not saying it's time to clean shop and burn it all down and just tank or anything like that, but as much as I would have liked to see us make some more aggressive moves at this point I'm not really sure it makes a ton of sense to be selling off any more of our future.

I think spending a 2nd rounder is about right if it gives us a 50/50 area of making playoffs. It also gives us a substantial WR target next season.
We’ve got #12 now. If we turn things around and give him some help? Even if we go 9-8 or whatever and miss playoffs I think he just might stay another season or two.
Flip side
If we don’t give him help? He just might either retire or ask for a trade imo. Why stay on team that doesn’t support you? He’s not going to carry this WR room and he’s not going to go into a rebuild at 40 years old.

 

[Magooch]

I think spending a 2nd rounder is about right if it gives us a 50/50 area of making playoffs. It also gives us a substantial WR target next season.
We’ve got #12 now. If we turn things around and give him some help? Even if we go 9-8 or whatever and miss playoffs I think he just might stay another season or two.
Flip side
If we don’t give him help? He just might either retire or ask for a trade imo. Why stay on team that doesn’t support you? He’s not going to carry this WR room and he’s not going to go into a rebuild at 40 years old.

Yeah that's probably the big crux of the matter for me too. Have to get a sense for the direction Rodgers is leaning....at 38 there is not a lot of "window" left. If you get the sense that he is going to hang it up after this year either way...might as well hang onto your picks and be ready to move on. If you get a sense that he intends to stay around and/or could be swayed to do so by moving for a WR...you go and get one.

 

[tynimiller]

Yeah that's probably the big crux of the matter for me too. Have to get a sense for the direction Rodgers is leaning....at 38 there is not a lot of "window" left. If you get the sense that he is going to hang it up after this year either way...might as well hang onto your picks and be ready to move on. If you get a sense that he intends to stay around and/or could be swayed to do so by moving for a WR...you go and get one.

BINGO! I strongly think if Gute does a move involving a Day 2 pick or multiple Day 3s before the deadline I almost would say I'd bet serious money Rodgers is planning on playing in 2023.

 

[tynimiller]

Here's a guy perhaps...DPJ...Donovan Peoples Jones in Cleveland. Rookie deal, has over 300 yards this year but they added Amari Cooper...drafted David Bell and Mike Woods this past year, Demetric Felton and Anthony Schwartz the year prior they are not winning this year....they could look to move a guy like DPJ....I don't necessarily say he moves the needle as much as a Claypool but the dude didn't even start the year last year as a starter and put up respectable 597 yards averaging 17.6 a clip. This year he has 336 yards already. He is easily our WR2 right now behind only Lazard (and I love Doubs future but still..). I wouldn't guess he'd cost more than a 5th or 6th with perhaps a conditional elevation or additional.

 

[milani]

Really pretty much at a loss at this point as to what the case is for keeping this guy around. A few weeks back he was both a non-factor on offense and special teams. Now he remains a non-factor on offense and is actively a liability on special teams.

At this point I simply cannot believe there is any professional football team who is employing a scouting network that is incapable of finding a better option for his role. Really continues to feel like one of those situations where he is being kept solely for the draft capital that was invested in him in the first place (which was of course not that much in the first place)

We really are in a predicament here. Someone told me yesterday that he could get cut this week. None of us are knee jerseys but?? There are some teams that are. The Chiefs muffed a punt right before the half yesterday. But they are a team that can overcome a mistake or two. We do not have that luxury.

 

[OldSchool101]

Here's a guy perhaps...DPJ...Donovan Peoples Jones in Cleveland. Rookie deal, has over 300 yards this year but they added Amari Cooper...drafted David Bell and Mike Woods this past year, Demetric Felton and Anthony Schwartz the year prior they are not winning this year....they could look to move a guy like DPJ....I don't necessarily say he moves the needle as much as a Claypool but the dude didn't even start the year last year as a starter and put up respectable 597 yards averaging 17.6 a clip. This year he has 336 yards already. He is easily our WR2 right now behind only Lazard (and I love Doubs future but still..). I wouldn't guess he'd cost more than a 5th or 6th with perhaps a conditional elevation or additional.

Sure. Anything in that legit WR3 or up is in play.
Go get him Tyni, I’ll pay you back later if that ok? I’m good for it I promise!

Seriously though anything to give us a spark. That guy is still ascending also you can tell. He’s kinda in the James Jones mold
We’ve got 1 week before deadline. Make the call

 

[kevans74]

Jerry Jeudy

 

[OldSchool101]

Jerry Jeudy

Interesting prospect.
My only ? there is what’s going on with his 51% catch rate, that’s bordering on concerning. It would be ok if he was like 20.0 per catch

 

[kevans74]

Interesting prospect.
My only ? there is what’s going on with his 51% catch rate, that’s bordering on concerning. It would be ok if he was like 20.0 per catch

He's a younger, taller OBJ

 

[tynimiller]

Jeudy is not going anywhere, we gotta think realistic folks…otherwise I saw Justin Jefferson…lol

 

[tynimiller]

I stand corrected it would seem Jeudy has been targeted but not sure Denver is receptive.

I suspect it would take a crap ton of picks though. Not smart