The Amari Rodgers Thread

[kevans74]

Jeudy would be awesome! I always liked his skill set and talent level

Frankly, when healthy, you can just tell he can do it. He would be our number 1. I'm laughing right now at all those idiots pre season claiming Lazard is a WR1. LOL not close

Up to him, his body, conditioning, some luck if he fan stay healthy and be OBJ or Sammy Watkins. Jeudy is much younger than both those guys so he has that going for him

 

[Heyjoe4]

Here we’d get what’s likely a
True WR2 with Claypool. He’s like $1M remainder of this season and he’s on a rookie contract through 2023. Flip side is he’s a known quantity and he’s consistently good. He’s not porpoising up and down each season. Very steady production
Small chance Chase develops into a lower WR1.

We will need some weapons at WR regardless who is at QB. We can’t have Rodgers or Love using Lazard as a WR1. That’s Just not going to work. It’s becoming increasingly apparent that Sammy and Christian are just injury prone and can’t be counted on regularly. Please understand I don’t mean that as a personal attack on either player, they seem like stand up gentleman, yet we need production sometime soon… like yesterday

Yeah well we knew Watkins was an injury risk. That proved to be true. It's too soon to say much about Watson. He's had hamstring injuries and those are very slow to heal and very easy to re-injure. In the limited time he played, he was used mostly on jet sweeps and didn't seem to have much route running ability.

Going after a WR only makes sense if it gives the team a realistic chance of making the playoffs. Ordinarily I'd say that's ridiculous but teams have zero respect for GB's WRs. That's allows them to key on Jones and Dillon. There are no threats among the TEs.

Looking at the remaining schedule, it's hard to see how GB gets to 10 wins, the absolute minimum for hope of a playoff spot. They could use a veteran T as well, assuming Bakhtiari is probably done. I don't know the answer.

 

[gopkrs]

how is a ball that hits you squarely in the hands a "miracle catch"? because he had to stretch out for it? It's the NFL, catch it. Guys make those catches every week for their QB's.

You should re-watch that play and take off your I love Rodgers glasses.

 

[gopkrs]

Jeudy would be awesome! I always liked his skill set and talent level

Frankly, when healthy, you can just tell he can do it. He would be our number 1. I'm laughing right now at all those idiots pre season claiming Lazard is a WR1. LOL not close

Up to him, his body, conditioning, some luck if he fan stay healthy and be OBJ or Sammy Watkins. Jeudy is much younger than both those guys so he has that going for him

When I have watched Denver; Jeudy has not impressed me too much. Has he been hurt? I would be hesitant to give up a lot for him looking for the savior.

 

[tynimiller]

@Mondio how is this a routine ball….you’re nuts. Rewatch the play or look at the still.

 

[kevans74]

When I have watched Denver; Jeudy has not impressed me too much. Has he been hurt? I would be hesitant to give up a lot for him looking for the savior.

Him and the Jefferson were the 2 I wanted from that draft class

Yes he has been hurt

 

[Mondio]

@Mondio how is this a routine ball….you’re nuts. Rewatch the play or look at the still.

Tell me how it would have been a miracle catch. Extending for a football with no threat of collision, no defender reaching in and the ball directly in both hands is somehow in need of a miracle. I didn’t say it was routine, I said it’s a catch wrs are making for their QBs every week, and they do. Allen’s receivers will make a couple just like that against us like they have against everyone else and just like Jennings, Jones, driver, Cobb, Adam’s, etc have made. It was an opportunity in a busted play to make a great play, he dropped it.

 

[Mondio]

You should re-watch that play and take off your I love Rodgers glasses.

Ok.

 

[tynimiller]

Tell me how it would have been a miracle catch. Extending for a football with no threat of collision, no defender reaching in and the ball directly in both hands is somehow in need of a miracle. I didn’t say it was routine, I said it’s a catch wrs are making for their QBs every week, and they do. Allen’s receivers will make a couple just like that against us like they have against everyone else and just like Jennings, Jones, driver, Cobb, Adam’s, etc have made. It was an opportunity in a busted play to make a great play, he dropped it.

Oh my God watch the play, I may have oversold it saying miracle but you’re acting as if it hit him square in the hands like any old ball a receiver merely has to extend to get. The ONLY way he makes that catch is reverse lay out but he didn’t have time as he was trying to make up ground quickly given how far it was overthrown. The fact he got his fingers on it was impressive and had he squeezed it, it would have been a high light reel catch.

Rodgers overthrew him on it, whether busted or not - nine out of ten times Rodgers normally drops it in for his guy, he just flat didn’t do it that time, it is okay to admit it.

 

[Mondio]

I guess you’re right. Horrible throw on the run to a receiver over the top of a defender down the sideline and in a spot the receiver was able to get 2 hands around the ball. Incomplete almost everytime…

 

[Heyjoe4]

@Mondio how is this a routine ball….you’re nuts. Rewatch the play or look at the still.

That would have been a hard catch for Cooper Kupp, and I doubt even he would have caught it.

Related issue - Overall, Rodgers doesn't look sharp this year. He's overthrowing guys on long balls, and throwing low a lot, at least in my subjective view. Maybe it's the lack of quality with the receivers, but even Jones, who is a good receiver, has had trouble with some of Rodgers' throws.

The malaise with the Packers isn't Rodgers' fault. He's trying with some very inexperienced, or just average receivers. It's clear Lazard is not going to magically become a #1, 100 plus yards/game receiver. I think if I was Rodgers, I'd be pissed. But he can do more IMO.

 

[Schultz]

Jeudy would be awesome! I always liked his skill set and talent level

Frankly, when healthy, you can just tell he can do it. He would be our number 1. I'm laughing right now at all those idiots pre season claiming Lazard is a WR1. LOL not close

Up to him, his body, conditioning, some luck if he fan stay healthy and be OBJ or Sammy Watkins. Jeudy is much younger than both those guys so he has that going for him

Show me a single post that said Lazard is an NFL #1 WR. You will find plenty of posts including mine refuting guys who actually thought Sammy or 1 of the rookies would be the #1 GB WR over Lazard.

 

[Deleted member 6794]

Another move is that Stenovich needs to be put back as o line coach. Promoting him to offensive coordinator was a classic example of the Peter principle.

While I agree that Stenavich doesn't seem to be a great choice for offensive coordinator it might be close to impossible to replace him with a better option at this point in the season.

Rodgers looks to me like he just doesn't care anymore, win or lose, lose, lose. And MLF seems to have lost the team. It's too early to say MLF was overrated. He deserves a chance to coach a team w/o a savior like Rodgers.

But Rodgers isn't a savior anymore, at least not this year.

You understand the post you replied to was about Amari, don't you???

I dislike the playcalling on offense (defense too. How many passes in the flat for big gains b4 the coach realizes someone has to be covering that area or the guy coming out of the backfield?) but it is difficult to know who is the culprit on offense. Rodgers or LaFleur? Is LaFleur's offensive plan to throw to the flat so much? Cause that not only is boring but it sucks as a plan.

The culprit on offense is a lack of talent at wide receiver and tight end as well as a struggling offensive line. I guess Rodgers' thumb injury doesn't help either.

Someone else might recall what season that was that Mike did both jobs. Maybe post-Philbin??

Just found it was for Tom Clements in 2015. They hit a lull mid season with a 2-4 stretch at 20.8 per game

McCarthy called the plays for most of his tenure as the Packers' head coach. He only gave it up for 13 games in the 2015 season.

Agreed, and Rodgers isn't throwing any short passes between the ILBs and the Safeties. Those are usually easy to execute, especially against a zone, and Rodgers can throw dimes in there. It doesn't require a lot of technique from the receiver either.

It odes require the receiver to get open though. Something they're mostly incapable of doing.

We’ve got #12 now. If we turn things around and give him some help? Even if we go 9-8 or whatever and miss playoffs I think he just might stay another season or two.
Flip side
If we don’t give him help? He just might either retire or ask for a trade imo. Why stay on team that doesn’t support you? He’s not going to carry this WR room and he’s not going to go into a rebuild at 40 years old.

I don't think Rodgers would want to retire after a losing season. In addition I don't expect him wanting to play for another team.

Here's a guy perhaps...DPJ...Donovan Peoples Jones in Cleveland. Rookie deal, has over 300 yards this year but they added Amari Cooper...drafted David Bell and Mike Woods this past year, Demetric Felton and Anthony Schwartz the year prior they are not winning this year....they could look to move a guy like DPJ....I don't necessarily say he moves the needle as much as a Claypool but the dude didn't even start the year last year as a starter and put up respectable 597 yards averaging 17.6 a clip. This year he has 336 yards already. He is easily our WR2 right now behind only Lazard (and I love Doubs future but still..). I wouldn't guess he'd cost more than a 5th or 6th with perhaps a conditional elevation or additional.

The Packers should make a trade for a true #1 receiver. Otherwise I don't see any point of making a move.

Looking at the remaining schedule, it's hard to see how GB gets to 10 wins, the absolute minimum for hope of a playoff spot.

Last year, two teams with less than 10 wins made the playoffs.

You should re-watch that play and take off your I love Rodgers glasses.

Oh my God watch the play, I may have oversold it saying miracle but you’re acting as if it hit him square in the hands like any old ball a receiver merely has to extend to get. The ONLY way he makes that catch is reverse lay out but he didn’t have time as he was trying to make up ground quickly given how far it was overthrown. The fact he got his fingers on it was impressive and had he squeezed it, it would have been a high light reel catch.

Rodgers overthrew him on it, whether busted or not - nine out of ten times Rodgers normally drops it in for his guy, he just flat didn’t do it that time, it is okay to admit it.

FWIW, PFF "credited" Amari with a drop on the play. While that seems to be a bit harsh he should have been able to catch that ball.

Related issue - Overall, Rodgers doesn't look sharp this year. He's overthrowing guys on long balls, and throwing low a lot, at least in my subjective view. Maybe it's the lack of quality with the receivers, but even Jones, who is a good receiver, has had trouble with some of Rodgers' throws.

Jones has caught 26 of 33 targets with two drops. It seems Rodgers doesn't have a lot of issues throwing his way.

 

[Schultz]

I have lost what little respect I had for PFF.

 

[gopkrs]

FWIW, PFF "credited" Amari with a drop on the play. While that seems to be a bit harsh he should have been able to catch that ball.

It was not a good pass to a wide open receiver. It's like if it touches your fingertips it is a drop. lies, damned lies and statistics. He threw a bullet when he should have put air under it. A really bad pass.

 

[tynimiller]

It was not a good pass to a wide open receiver. It's like if it touches your fingertips it is a drop. lies, damned lies and statistics. He threw a bullet when he should have put air under it. A really bad pass.

While I feel @Mondio was ignoring facts of it being an overthrow...I feel you swing full spectrum the other way. He missed his touch by less than half a yard. He throws it a foot shorter it is caught...two feet or so and Rodgers catches it in stride and TD.

 

[gopkrs]

While I feel @Mondio was ignoring facts of it being an overthrow...I feel you swing full spectrum the other way. He missed his touch by less than half a yard. He throws it a foot shorter it is caught...two feet or so and Rodgers catches it in stride and TD.

Yes, but what I am saying is he should have put air under it instead of throwing a bullet. A much higher percentage throw.

 

[tynimiller]

Yes, but what I am saying is he should have put air under it instead of throwing a bullet. A much higher percentage throw.

I believe he saw the potential of a lob being caught up to by the defender who was beat but would be able to close...little lower trajectory allowed for a sure hit had he simply not overthrown it sadly.

 

[Sunshinepacker]

People are expecting a perfect throw to a player (Amari) who has not had extensive, or even cursory, practice time with the QB. Seems unrealistic.

 

[Heyjoe4]

People are expecting a perfect throw to a player (Amari) who has not had extensive, or even cursory, practice time with the QB. Seems unrealistic.

Rodgers has a hard enough time pulling in a fair catch. I don't expect a miracle from him as a WR.

 

[Mondio]

While I feel @Mondio was ignoring facts of it being an overthrow...I feel you swing full spectrum the other way. He missed his touch by less than half a yard. He throws it a foot shorter it is caught...two feet or so and Rodgers catches it in stride and TD.

Did you miss where I said it was an overthrow?

 

[tynimiller]

Did you miss where I said it was an overthrow?

I may have, I guess I should have said as you at first claimed - apologies.

 

[OldSchool101]

@Mondio how is this a routine ball….you’re nuts. Rewatch the play or look at the still.

He looks like he’s flying in that photo! Great effort anyway. Maybe if he was 6’4”.
That’s been our season hasn’t it,
we should frame it and label it
“oh so close” and send it attention: Matt

 

[tynimiller]

He looks like he’s flying in that photo! Great effort anyway. Maybe if he was 6’4”.
That’s been our season hasn’t it,
we should frame it and label it
“oh so close” and send it attention: Matt

That is perhaps the most frustrating thing is it isn't as if we aren't close...

I mean outside of the Vikings game, truly nothing has gotten out of hand or out of reach until right towards the end it seems. When Rodgers is on target the WR isn't ready or doesn't look it in...when Rodgers is off target our WRs cannot make up for it...when our defense does a coverage hand off the "hand offee" isn't on the same page...frustration flags ending our drives or extending theres.... I've yet to feel we don't have the skill in our players to have won any of the games we've lost...however we've not come close to illustrating the execution needed.

 

[Mondio]

I may have, I guess I should have said as you at first claimed - apologies.

don't ever let it happen again

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