The Aaron Rodgers performance thread

[Heyjoe4]

Good gracious I cannot wait until Rodgers gets completely comfortable in this system and gets another weapon or two. The excuses for why he suddenly went from aging/declining to MVP caliber level of play is going to be hilariously entertaining.

Good observation. For most of the season (actually 12 games), the only true WR threat was Adams. All in all I’ll take our QB versus any other.

 

[gbgary]

You make it sound like MLF has no say in proceedings and he's just a puppet of AR's...which is by any means is not a realistic take on situation.

i didn't say it's all rodgers way. i said they compromised. i think it's obvious Rodgers personality is the stronger of the two though. watch the way they interact on the sidelines. MLF is like a puppy around him. lol

 

[gbgary]

Good gracious I cannot wait until Rodgers gets completely comfortable in this system and gets another weapon or two. The excuses for why he suddenly went from aging/declining to MVP caliber level of play is going to be hilariously entertaining.

me too. hopefully next season.

 

[Heyjoe4]

i didn't say it's all rodgers way. i said they compromised. i think it's obvious Rodgers personality is the stronger of the two though. watch the way they interact on the sidelines. MLF is like a puppy around him. lol

It does kinda look that way.

 

[XPack]

i didn't say it's all rodgers way. i said they compromised. i think it's obvious Rodgers personality is the stronger of the two though. watch the way they interact on the sidelines. MLF is like a puppy around him. lol

I doubt that. Mark Murphy said explicitly that it's AR who needs to embrace the change and that shows who's back management has. Also if you look at my tactics under MLF thread, the OP's mentions the running game which we have seen all season flourishing with Jones. From AR's decline in form, for me it is also clear that he still hasn't adjusted fully to MLF's tactics.

 

[PackAttack12]

i didn't say it's all rodgers way. i said they compromised. i think it's obvious Rodgers personality is the stronger of the two though. watch the way they interact on the sidelines. MLF is like a puppy around him. lol

Compromise is a part of any healthy relationship. Why for some reason it makes LaFleur weak and Rodgers an ******* in your book I'm not sure.

 

[Mondio]

me too. hopefully next season.

The difference being, most of us accept that it takes a season or 2 of work with players to be truly comfortable in a new offense with new players and new signal callers etc. and in your opinion, you'll be here claiming Rodgers finally ate some humble pie and is finally running MLF's offense.

We still don't have all the guys we need to run this offense. I mean Lazard is obviously the best thing we have besides Adams as a pass catcher and if you watch him every game, he's still not doing it all correctly. The quick stuff only works when everyone is on the same page and you automatically assume it's Rodgers that's off every single time. You assume it's rodgers.

Plenty of times the 2 min offense is quick strike stuff, that tells me right there Rodgers is more on the same page than you'd give credit for, seeing as he's the guy calling all 2 min offense. But I guess he only wants to run MLF's offense then, but not the other times when MLF is calling the offense?

 

[XPack]

AR is going to throw for 500 yards and 4 TDs shutting everybody up.

 

[gbgary]

I doubt that. Mark Murphy said explicitly that it's AR who needs to embrace the change and that shows who's back management has. Also if you look at my tactics under MLF thread, the OP's mentions the running game which we have seen all season flourishing with Jones. From AR's decline in form, for me it is also clear that he still hasn't adjusted fully to MLF's tactics.

doubt what? yes MM said rodgers needs to embrace change. that's murph propping up his guy publicly, as he should. he also supposedly told rodgers "not to be the problem" (as he was in mccarthy's last couple of years). but we all know it got off to an awkward start when the whole audible thing quickly came up with MLF saying his system doesn't need plays changed at the LOS and rodgers saying it would be foolish not to use his vast experience yada yada. MLF backed off and rodgers got his way. the compromise O has been hot and cold at best. the cold being the spread formation, hold the ball, scramble, throw on the run, rodgers looks disgusted, offense. lol

 

[Pugger]

AR is going to throw for 500 yards and 4 TDs shutting everybody up.

That would be nice....

 

[PackAttack12]

but we all know it got off to an awkward start when the whole audible thing quickly came up with MLF saying his system doesn't need plays changed at the LOS and rodgers saying it would be foolish not to use his vast experience yada yada. MLF backed off and rodgers got his way.

What elite quarterback do you know that doesn't have the ability to audible at the line of scrimmage?

 

[Sky King]

AR is going to throw for 500 yards and 4 TDs shutting everybody up.

We all hope you're right as long as it means a victory on Sunday. Then on to the NFCCG. Even those of us who have conceded that he is not quite the player he once had been in his prime want the team to win. It's not sacrilege to admit that Rodgers' game has slipped a little in a game of inches.

That does not mean he can't have that kind of MVP-type game ever again in spurts, just that he can no longer play at an elite level as consistently as he once could. But I hope that he still can do so three more times this season. I wouldn't bet the farm on it though.

Your last point is so boldly confident that it begs the reciprocal: If Rodgers doesn't throw for 500 yards and 4 TDs does that mean you have to shut-up?

 

[gbgary]

The difference being, most of us accept that it takes a season or 2 of work with players to be truly comfortable in a new offense with new players and new signal callers etc. and in your opinion, you'll be here claiming Rodgers finally ate some humble pie and is finally running MLF's offense.

We still don't have all the guys we need to run this offense. I mean Lazard is obviously the best thing we have besides Adams as a pass catcher and if you watch him every game, he's still not doing it all correctly. The quick stuff only works when everyone is on the same page and you automatically assume it's Rodgers that's off every single time. You assume it's rodgers.

Plenty of times the 2 min offense is quick strike stuff, that tells me right there Rodgers is more on the same page than you'd give credit for, seeing as he's the guy calling all 2 min offense. But I guess he only wants to run MLF's offense then, but not the other times when MLF is calling the offense?

goff caught on right away. and remember...rodgers is a genius. rodgers is a stubborn @$$. i get that he didn't want to change. it's understandable. he's an old dog. but he's not too old to learn one more trick...i'm sure of it.
you got it lol. no seriously...when i see most of the mccarthy/rodgers O gone, and see small ball being the dominant scheme, that's when i'll believe rodgers has bought in. it's not about him eating humble pie. not that he lost the battle. it's that he's realized what's best for him and the team.
better talent will only make things better/easier for rodgers.
we know the quick stuff will work because the film breakdown people are telling/showing us guys are coming open quick. it's just not being thrown for whatever reason. you point out 2-min O does better than regular time. time and field space constraints demands quick play execution (that takes away a lot of the slow developing stuff rodgers likes) so yes if rodgers can do it then he should be doing it the other times. is it MLF calling the spread plays he doesn't really like? doubt it.

 

[PackAttack12]

is it MLF calling the spread plays he doesn't really like? doubt it.

https://www.acmepackingcompany.com/...w-lions-week-17-offensive-scheme-matt-lafleur

“We wanted to try and stress them down the field and when we had the looks, you know, he takes the chance,” LaFleur said after the game.

“The further you throw the ball down the field, the odds are the completion percentage goes down. But that’s just the way we felt we had to attack these guys.”

In other words, the Packers are willing to live with variance in order to capture the upside of these shot plays. Rodgers doesn’t have to go off script to take those risks downfield; they’re built into the game plan. In fact, as LaFleur pointed out, nearly every passing concept the Packers have involves a vertical element. Given the way the Lions play coverage, Green Bay felt it had an advantage going downfield, particularly after Detroit traded safety Quandre Diggs to Seattle.

“We wanted to stretch the field for sure,” Rodgers said Sunday.

“We felt like especially on third down they’d be sitting at the sticks. So we wanted to take some shots early, and had some opportunities. [We] missed, obviously, a few of them, and didn’t come down with a couple of them as well, but that was the plan.”

^^^read this. Just. Read. It.

Specifically THIS:

“We wanted to try and stress them down the field and when we had the looks, you know, he takes the chance,” LaFleur said after the game.

“The further you throw the ball down the field, the odds are the completion percentage goes down. But that’s just the way we felt we had to attack these guys.”

So again, your bull **** narratives get debunked. It was a part of the game plan. LaFleur acknowledged it, but hey...let's continue to beat this "Aaron Rodgers is doing his own thing" drum.

Fact is, you don't have the slightest clue what LaFleur calls. But it's nice that you attempt to know what you are talking about.

 

[Mondio]

goff caught on right away. and remember...rodgers is a genius. rodgers is a stubborn @$$. i get that he didn't want to change. it's understandable. he's an old dog. but he's not too old to learn one more trick...i'm sure of it.
you got it lol. no seriously...when i see most of the mccarthy/rodgers O gone, and see small ball being the dominant scheme, that's when i'll believe rodgers has bought in. it's not about him eating humble pie. not that he lost the battle. it's that he's realized what's best for him and the team.
better talent will only make things better/easier for rodgers.
we know the quick stuff will work because the film breakdown people are telling/showing us guys are coming open quick. it's just not being thrown for whatever reason. you point out 2-min O does better than regular time. time and field space constraints demands quick play execution (that takes away a lot of the slow developing stuff rodgers likes) so yes if rodgers can do it then he should be doing it the other times. is it MLF calling the spread plays he doesn't really like? doubt it.

yeah, goff he's awesome. really replicated it well. He had much better skill players around him when he was decent than Rodgers does right now. and as soon as the league caught on, they went nowhere with that offense.

You think the Rams played small ball? LOL it was gurley, gurley, play action down or across the middle. Over and over until teams stopped it and they had nothing left.

 

[Packer Fan in SD]

goff caught on right away.

Goff as a rookie had more int’s than td’s, had two really good years but regressed this year. He had his fewest ts’s and most int’s for any of his 3 full years this past season.

 

[PackAttack12]

yeah, goff he's awesome. really replicated it well. He had much better skill players around him when he was decent than Rodgers does right now. and as soon as the league caught on, they went nowhere with that offense.

You think the Rams played small ball? LOL it was gurley, gurley, play action down or across the middle. Over and over until teams stopped it and they had nothing left.

He doesn't want to talk about Matt Ryan's struggles in his first year in the system. And Ryan is a much better quarterback than Goff.

It's much easier to adapt to a new system as a young player. But when you're a 10+ year vet like Rodgers, with far worse weapons around him, yeah there's going to be a transition period.

The only reason he thinks Rodgers should have picked up on it immediately with only Davante, a 6th round receiver, and a bunch of undrafted free agents is because he wants to paint this narrative that Rodgers isn't being a good solider.

 

[gbgary]

Specifically THIS:

“We wanted to try and stress them down the field and when we had the looks, you know, he takes the chance,” LaFleur said after the game.

“The further you throw the ball down the field, the odds are the completion percentage goes down. But that’s just the way we felt we had to attack these guys.”

So again, your bull **** narratives get debunked. It was a part of the game plan. LaFleur acknowledged it, but hey...let's continue to beat this "Aaron Rodgers is doing his own thing" drum.

Fact is, you don't have the slightest clue what LaFleur calls. But it's nice that you attempt to know what you are talking about.

read that before. he's admitting he/rodgers/they F'd up. lol
the det first half was probably the worst first half rodgers had all year. MLF doesn't like a lot of spread and has said so.

 

[gbgary]

Goff as a rookie had more int’s than td’s, had two really good years but regressed this year. He had his fewest ts’s and most int’s for any of his 3 full years this past season.

that's on goff. i've said from the beginning that if goff can run that O imagine what rodgers can do. 16 games later i'm still imagining. i want to see him do it...asap.

 

[PackAttack12]

read that before. he's admitting he/rodgers/they F'd up. lol
the det first half was probably the worst first half rodgers had all year. MLF doesn't like a lot of spread and has said so.

Don't dance around the issue. You said you doubt that MLF was calling those plays (again putting the blame on Rodgers). It was MLF's game plan to go down the field like that and it was MLF that was calling those plays in the first half.

Either admit that you misspoke, or that you are just an outright hater. Either will work just fine for me.

 

[gbgary]

Don't dance around the issue. You said you doubt that MLF was calling those plays (again putting the blame on Rodgers). It was MLF's game plan to go down the field like that and it was MLF that was calling those plays in the first half.

Either admit that you misspoke, or that you are just an outright hater. Either will work just fine for me.

he's got to call them! they're part of the O rodgers wants. MLF has said his O doesn't eliminate taking shots. it actually sets them up. he just doesn't want to take them from formations that make it obvious that's what they're going to do. MLF's O is about deseption. there's nothing deceptive about a spread formation. that's what made the O so predictable the last few years.

 

[PackAttack12]

that's on goff. i've said from the beginning that if goff can run that O imagine what rodgers can do. 16 games later i'm still imagining. i want to see him do it...asap.

Could you imagine Goff trying to run that system with only Davante? And MVS (6th round pick) Kumerow (undrafted free agent) Lazard (undrafted free agent) Shepherd early in the season (undrafted free agent) Geronimo Allison (undrafted free agent).

And where is this narrative that Goff was so much better in year 1 under McVay than Rodgers right now?

This was Goff in 2017 (year 1 under McVay)

62.1% completions
3,804 yards
28 touchdowns
7 interceptions
100.5 rating
55.7 QBR

What part of that is in any way significantly better than Rodgers? And Goff had Kupp (3rd round pick) Woods (2nd round pick) Sammy Watkins (1st round pick, 4th overall)

Not to mention Todd Gurley.

You don't want to focus on the entire picture. In your mind, it's all Aaron Rodgers' fault why this offense isn't humming along averaging 30 a game. And that's the furthest thing from the truth I've ever seen.

 

[PackAttack12]

he's got to call them! they're part of the O rodgers wants. MLF has said his O doesn't eliminate taking shots. it actually sets them up. he just doesn't want to take them from formations that make it obvious that's what they're going to do. MLF's O is about deseption. there's nothing deceptive about a spread formation. that's what made the O so predictable the last few years.

you said:

"is it MLF calling the spread plays he doesn't really like? doubt it."

Now you're saying he has to call them.

What a joke.

 

[gbgary]

i'd like to see rodgers run it with whoever you want to put out there with him. just seeing him run it as designed would be enough.

 

[PackAttack12]

i'd like to see rodgers run it with whoever you want to put out there with him. just seeing him run it as designed would be enough.

So you don't think having 4 players picked in the 3rd round and higher would be a benefit to Rodgers?