The Aaron Rodgers performance thread

[Do7]

Aaron's numbers have gone down since the Barr hit

I've noticed this as well. I was theorizing that one of the reasons as to why Rodgers wasn't doing well was him potentially seeing phantoms, due to that hit. Then again he was injured last year. I do wonder if the operation he had effected more than he cares to admit. Rodgers was on point prior to that injury.

 

[PackinMSP]

I've noticed this as well. I was theorizing that one of the reasons as to why Rodgers wasn't doing well was him potentially seeing phantoms, due to that hit. Then again he was injured last year. I do wonder if the operation he had effected more than he cares to admit. Rodgers was on point prior to that injury.

That's just one factor.

Aaron's numbers were down in 2015(before the hit) and, while good, his numbers were also "down" in 2016 before the "run the table" hot streak

I don't think it's solely on the hit, but is it a factor? Probably yes to some degree

But I would also look at the hit and that he's 36 now and plays in the NFC North (the black and blue division) and OUTSIDE as other factors too

Age wouldn't be as big of an issue if he played indoors at like New Orleans, Atlanta, Indianapolis, etc

 

[gbgary]

That's just one factor.

Aaron's numbers were down in 2015(before the hit) and, while good, his numbers were also "down" in 2016 before the "run the table" hot streak

I don't think it's solely on the hit, but is it a factor? Probably yes to some degree

But I would also look at the hit and that he's 36 now and plays in the NFC North (the black and blue division) and OUTSIDE as other factors too

Age wouldn't be as big of an issue if he played indoors at like New Orleans, Atlanta, Indianapolis, etc

not so sure about that. artificial turf fields are a lot harder than natural turf and with all the sacks he's taken physically he could be worse off.

 

[PackinMSP]

not so sure about that. artificial turf fields are a lot harder than natural turf and with all the sacks he's taken physically he could be worse off.

I think numbers/stats wise he would be better in a dome than playing outside in Wisconsin...

 

[Deleted member 6794]

the Packers have showed you all season. this offense doesn't look like SF's or LAR's. MLF and rodgers both have admitted it's been changed to suit rodgers desires.

Once again, it would be absolutely foolish to not tailor the offense based on Rodgers' talents.

Simply put, Bart Starr is the winningest quarterback in NFL playoff history, in terms of both postseason winning percentage and championships won.

Brady passed Starr with his sixth championship last season.

Starr's 105 passer rating that season was unheard of in that era.

At that point only four quarterbacks had achieved a passer rating of over 105 in a season with Otto Graham being the only to do it twice.

 

[elcid]

I love how people assume they know how he leads..

Unless your in the halls of 1265, or know someone there, can you really act like your right?

I am not commenting on anything that happens during training, but merely on what I see when the players are on the pitch. It seems pretty obvious to me when looking at Aaron during matches, especially to ones which aren't going the Packers way, he has not been the kind of leader that rallies the troops. One that is encouraging when everything seems to be going against them. I am not commenting on his behavior outside the 3 hours I see him each week (All though this does give me reason to believe he is not much of a good leader then either, but I could be wrong) as you are right, I do not know how he acts/leads/behaves then. I have known people who are great off the field/during trainings, but our downright a**holes during games. And while its way better than being an a**hole all the time, I also believe that when times are tough, people's character is shown on its best.

I even could be completely wrong and misinterpret his body language during games, and that AR is a high-character guy. But I doubt it.

 

[PackAttack12]

I even could be completely wrong and misinterpret his body language during games, and that AR is a high-character guy. But I doubt it.

Questioning his leadership is entirely different than saying he lacks character. The character part, in my opinion, has zero foundation.

 

[gopkrs]

I am not commenting on anything that happens during training, but merely on what I see when the players are on the pitch. It seems pretty obvious to me when looking at Aaron during matches, especially to ones which aren't going the Packers way, he has not been the kind of leader that rallies the troops. One that is encouraging when everything seems to be going against them. I am not commenting on his behavior outside the 3 hours I see him each week (All though this does give me reason to believe he is not much of a good leader then either, but I could be wrong) as you are right, I do not know how he acts/leads/behaves then. I have known people who are great off the field/during trainings, but our downright a**holes during games. And while its way better than being an a**hole all the time, I also believe that when times are tough, people's character is shown on its best.

I even could be completely wrong and misinterpret his body language during games, and that AR is a high-character guy. But I doubt it.

Disagree...I think.

 

[melvin dangerr]

The only stats a care about is wins vs loses

 

[Mondio]

Last year when everything was going wrong, nobody quit. Trust me, if Rodgers wasn't leading them and let them quit, they would have. I'm going to ignore that last Lions game This year there were plenty of games where he was ******* guys and nobody quit. When I see a team quit on their leader, I'll know he's not one, like in Carolina with Cam. Guys are still out there gutting out every play, even when nothing seems to be working. I'd say he's ok in the leadership department.

 

[Do7]

The only stats a care about is wins vs loses

That's a black and white view on things.

 

[mradtke66]

But if you really needed to which of the 3 would you take in their primes?

What era are we playing in? In the current 2020s, Starr wouldn't even be my 3rd pick. I'd want Rodgers, Favre, ****ey, and then Starr. In that order.

As good as Starr was, and let's be honest, he was pretty damn good, he was physically limited. He couldn't throw a deep out in the modern game. He'd be an interception machine to try.

His greatest strength was his brain. In the modern game with headset radios, would that advantage be eliminated? Did he have the aptitude to handle the constant personnel grouping changes? I don't know this for sure and it's the hardest part about projecting old players to the modern game--it just changed to so much.

(As an aside, that's also my biggest problem with old offensive linemen. Size aside, before the mid 1970s ((I think)), you couldn't use your hands at all. Once the rule change, now hand size, arm length, ability to punch, etc, became a factor. It wouldn't surprise me if half, or more, of the old time greats would be terrible pass protectors in the modern games. Or if they all had to be come guards. )

If we're in a more throwback game, my preference would be Favre, Starr, Rodgers, ****ey, in that order. Favre was the ultimate iron man and would likely hold up in an era with less quarterback protection. Rodgers and ****ey were both more fragile, so I'd move them down the list.

 

[Pugger]

What era are we playing in? In the current 2020s, Starr wouldn't even be my 3rd pick. I'd want Rodgers, Favre, ****ey, and then Starr. In that order.

As good as Starr was, and let's be honest, he was pretty damn good, he was physically limited. He couldn't throw a deep out in the modern game. He'd be an interception machine to try.

His greatest strength was his brain. In the modern game with headset radios, would that advantage be eliminated? Did he have the aptitude to handle the constant personnel grouping changes? I don't know this for sure and it's the hardest part about projecting old players to the modern game--it just changed to so much.

(As an aside, that's also my biggest problem with old offensive linemen. Size aside, before the mid 1970s ((I think)), you couldn't use your hands at all. Once the rule change, now hand size, arm length, ability to punch, etc, became a factor. It wouldn't surprise me if half, or more, of the old time greats would be terrible pass protectors in the modern games. Or if they all had to be come guards. )

If we're in a more throwback game, my preference would be Favre, Starr, Rodgers, ****ey, in that order. Favre was the ultimate iron man and would likely hold up in an era with less quarterback protection. Rodgers and ****ey were both more fragile, so I'd move them down the list.

If Starr were playing with the OLs and DPI rules of today you don't think he'd be successful? In his day QBs were not protected like they are today and DBs could mug WRs all over the field.

 

[PackinMSP]

If Starr were playing with the OLs and DPI rules of today you don't think he'd be successful? In his day QBs were not protected like they are today and DBs could mug WRs all over the field.

Absolutely.

Can you imagine Favre with today's rules though???? Like the mid to late 20s version???

Jesus Christ he might throw for 40+ touchdowns EVERY year... Just based off talent alone, that's just how good he was... I mean 33, 38, 39, 35, 31 those were his touchdown pass totals in an era where a WR could just knocked the f*** out and no call.

That said, you're probably looking at a similar comparison with Rodgers in his prime year 2010 - 2014 when he had similar numbers lol.


This is often the Catch 22 though when evaluating Brett and Aaron though... In their "prime" years, they were just ridiculously good.

 

[mradtke66]

If Starr were playing with the OLs and DPI rules of today you don't think he'd be successful? In his day QBs were not protected like they are today and DBs could mug WRs all over the field.

I do think he'd be successful, but there are some things Starr just doesn't measure up to Favre and Rodgers in terms of pure, physical talent. Different DPI rules won't impact his (in)ability to complete that deep out, which is, imho, the most difficult throw in football.

I don't see Starr as having the arm talent, pure and simple. Physically, he's Chad Pennington or End-of-Career-Payton-Manning. Both fine players in their own right, but would you really pick one of those two over Favre or Rodgers?

 

[rmontro]

I do think he'd be successful, but there are some things Starr just doesn't measure up to Favre and Rodgers in terms of pure, physical talent.

That would be somewhat mitigated if Starr had grown up and played in this era. Athletic strength training and conditioning has come a long way since then. It's useless to compare eras.

 

[PackinMSP]

That would be somewhat mitigated if Starr had grown up and played in this era. Athletic strength training and conditioning has come a long way since then. It's useless to compare eras.

I respect Bart Starr, as I think all Packers, if not NFL fans, should too!

But on a talent standpoint, he just does NOT match up to Brett Favre or Aaron Rodgers.

Some of the pure talent you can't teach. I can't even recall how many ridiculous plays that those two have made that are just God given talent. It doesn't really matter how much you practice, lift weights, eat, how you grow up, etc... It doesn't matter.

There are too many to list for Favre and one that stands out that's fairly recent was the playoff game against the Cardinals, the play/throw Rodgers made to Janis to tie the game is just something you can't teach. That's just God given ability.

 

[mradtke66]

I respect Bart Starr, as I think all Packers, if not NFL fans, should too!

But on a talent standpoint, he just does NOT match up to Brett Favre or Aaron Rodgers.

Some of the pure talent you can't teach. I can't even recall how many ridiculous plays that those two have made that are just God given talent. It doesn't really matter how much you practice, lift weights, eat, how you grow up, etc... It doesn't matter.

There are too many to list for Favre and one that stands out that's fairly recent was the playoff game against the Cardinals, the play/throw Rodgers made to Janis to tie the game is just something you can't teach. That's just God given ability.

I believe Starr himself said in the 1990s, something to the effect if Favre was playing for Lombardi in the 60s, we'd have never heard of Starr.

He was a great quarterback. Doesn't mean someone else isn't greater. That doesn't diminish what he did for his team, in his time.

 

[melvin dangerr]

That's a black and white view on things.

Not really, their have been many games that the opposing team lost the stat sheet battle but won the game, stats are either impressive to one side, and negative on the other, W’s, L’s, Championships, and SB’s are more impressive, in my opine...

 

[OldSchool101]

I believe Starr himself said in the 1990s, something to the effect if Favre was playing for Lombardi in the 60s, we'd have never heard of Starr.

That only makes me respect Starr more.

There are very few multiple Championship caliber QBs that also remain very humble. Starr and Bradshaw are the first that come to mind.

No Offense to Rodgers, but IMO, he’s just not on the same level yet as those 2 in either Championships or Humility. I’m hoping now that Rodgers seeing the Wins pile up directly due to the Defense, he’ll increase in both areas before he takes his last snap.

 

[PackinMSP]

That only makes me respect Starr more.

There are very few multiple Championship caliber QBs that also remain very humble. Starr and Bradshaw are the first that come to mind.

No Offense to Rodgers, but IMO, he’s just not on the same level yet as those 2 in either Championships or Humility. I’m hoping now that Rodgers seeing the Wins pile up directly due to the Defense, he’ll increase in both areas before he takes his last snap.

Of course. Bart Starr has always been a humble and respectable guy, especially considering he won the 1st 2 Super Bowls and has always, and forever, will be cemented in history.

But talking "pure talent/ability" wise. I think Favre and Rodgers are just on a league of their own.

 

[gbgary]

Once again, it would be absolutely foolish to not tailor the offense based on Rodgers' talents.

it wasn't taylored to his talents. it was taylored to his wants. they compromised. his talent isn't the scramble drill offense anymore even though that's what he wants to run. no one but adams, allison, and lewis get it. allison doesn't play much and lewis isn't targeted much. he's not quite as mobile or accurate as he used to be. his talents are more suited to MLF's O now. i'm sure you can see that.

 

[PackAttack12]

Good gracious I cannot wait until Rodgers gets completely comfortable in this system and gets another weapon or two. The excuses for why he suddenly went from aging/declining to MVP caliber level of play is going to be hilariously entertaining.

 

[Pugger]

Absolutely.

Can you imagine Favre with today's rules though???? Like the mid to late 20s version???

Jesus Christ he might throw for 40+ touchdowns EVERY year... Just based off talent alone, that's just how good he was... I mean 33, 38, 39, 35, 31 those were his touchdown pass totals in an era where a WR could just knocked the f*** out and no call.

That said, you're probably looking at a similar comparison with Rodgers in his prime year 2010 - 2014 when he had similar numbers lol.


This is often the Catch 22 though when evaluating Brett and Aaron though... In their "prime" years, they were just ridiculously good.

All 3 of them were IMO. Let's hope Rodgers still has a couple more elite years left in him going forward.

 

[XPack]

I believe Starr himself said in the 1990s, something to the effect if Favre was playing for Lombardi in the 60s, we'd have never heard of Starr.

I doubt he'd be as good as Starr was. Not just talent, but fit to system/tactics is also important and Lombardi's Offence is far cry from what Favre shines in.

it wasn't taylored to his talents. it's was taylored to his wants. so they compromised. his talent isn't the scramble drill offense anymore even though that's what he wants to run. no one but adams, allison, and lewis get it. allison doesn't play much and lewis isn't targeted much. he's not quite as mobile or accurate as he used to be. his talents are more suited to MLF's O now. i'm sure you can see that.

You make it sound like MLF has no say in proceedings and he's just a puppet of AR's...which is by any means is not a realistic take on situation.