gbgary
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yes. rodgers wants spread formations. they're part of the O because of it. what's so hard? if they go overboard like they did in det that's on them.
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gbgary
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of course. i've said numerous times better talent would make things easier for rodgers. how could less drops not make things better? a tad more separation?
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You directly contradict yourself and then ask me what’s so hard to understand. Lol. You’re a special kind of special.
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What is Rodgers doing or not doing that makes you believe he is not in the system? I see him missing with not leading receivers well, and I see him going deep when a lot of times he should be going underneath because the deep receiver is covered. But that is about it. I assume the W/Os are running their routes and the O line is up to snuff with their blocking assignments. So what does the system say to do? Do you think Rodgers is changing the play too often at the line of scrimmage?
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Gary with respect it feels like you're arguing for the sake of arguing at this point dude.
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his accuracy issues are separate from play design. drops are separate. getting the ball out on time that's separate. bad blocking etc. those things blow up plays no matter how well designed. MLF's O is about rhythm, deception, timing. several play options from the similar bunch formations. if the O sees this from the D, run option A, if they see that, run option B. MLF says every D formation has an offensive answer. very little shotgun. spread formations and purposeful scramble drills like the old mccarthy/rodgers O aren't part of it.
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maybe so lol. i'm exhausted.
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You say it is rhythm, deception and timing. And that it is mainly run from under center. So I guess you are saying that Rodgers is doing everything on his own. Not even calling the play sent in? And not using the backup plan from the line of scrimmage? Almost every time he is in shotgun; he has told the team a different call than what was sent in? I find that difficult to believe. More believable to me is that Rodgers does not see the pass catcher open and so (hopefully) is going through his reads. The play should be called so that as Rodgers sees the timing play not working; that another receiver is running a route to get open a little bit later than the number one target. imho i.e., not at the same time because the DBs make it up fast.
I think part of that is that Rodgers is just so much more physically imposing, MLF is not a big guy.
All the stuff about learning a new scheme aside, it's not real surprising that the offense hasn't really lit up the world this year. It's basically the same guys McCarthy had to work with last year. It looks like Gute tried to fix the defense, and has left the offense more for this upcoming offseason. There were too many holes on the team to fix all at once.
I was looking at some stats, and this jumped out at me: The Packers averaged 23.5 points per game this season, exactly the same as they averaged last season. The main difference is that the offense is more balanced, and the scoring defense dropped from 25 PPG to 19.6. And takeaways jumped from 15 to 25.
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Just another day in the office for him.
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no. i'm saying rodgers wants to keep playing the way he always has. the trouble is his body isn't cooperating because of age and injuries. rodgers is the dominant personality in the building and so they've incorporated a lot of the old offence into the new one. by doing so MLF has given rodgers control to change whatever he wants given the personnel on the field. the result is an offense that looks just like the old one, and is getting the same poor output, when they're in those formations. when they're in the mode MLF wants they're much more productive even considering his accuracy issues. the detroit game illustrates it perfectly. a tale of two halves. every game was chopped up in sections like that this season. the O is just as disjointed now as it was game one. the work-in-progress O hasn't progressed. my ONLY criticism of rodgers is his resistance to fully adopting the new O. it would greatly benefit him, the WR's, and the team in general. i was also critical of MLF for enabling this but perhaps it'll work out in the long run with a rodgers realization. maybe MLF did this on purpose once he met rodgers and realized what he was dealing with. idk. hopefully the O looks different next season...if we're lucky, maybe in these playoffs.
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I feel like the combination of me, Pokerbrat, PackAttack12, The Captain, and a few others addressed those arguments and one point or another already, and you're either refuse to acknowledge them, or you're just going around in circles, like a dog chasing its tail.
LOL, so when MLF calls plays it works so well and Rodgers will run it when it's called that way, as evident by your tale of 2 halves theory. But seeing how it's so obvious that when MLF calls the plays he wants its successful, and when Rodgers pitches a fit and gets his way it doesn't, MLF AND Rodgers have both decided it is a good idea to keep trying to run an offense that doesn't work just to appease an ego you think is there?
I'm sure they both dislike winning so much that it's entirely possible LOL Sometimes I'd say you can't make this stuff up, but then I realize you are and you actually believe it.
I don't think the accuracy, timing and rhythm are all separate issues. When you see a guy like Lazard break towards the middle of the field on a quick pass for a WR screen and every othe rplayer is running that play including the QB, it affects accuracy, timing and rhythm. You might have a guy that's breaking open underneath across the middle of the field, but if he was supposed to break out, that's going to affect accuracy, timing and rhythm. When a player is only where he's supposed to be sometimes, it affects accuracy, timing and rhythm.
You're kidding yourself if you think is because Rodgers is in such decline he can't perform like he used to. or throw on time, or doesn't like to hit slants. We won a ****ing super bowl running that offense. He lit the league on fire in that offense. But you think he just doesn't want to run those plays LOL and though he still hits those plays to his only decent receiver in Adams, you think he can't anymore??? Ok
I'm sure they both dislike winning so much that it's entirely possible LOL Sometimes I'd say you can't make this stuff up, but then I realize you are and you actually believe it.
I don't think the accuracy, timing and rhythm are all separate issues. When you see a guy like Lazard break towards the middle of the field on a quick pass for a WR screen and every othe rplayer is running that play including the QB, it affects accuracy, timing and rhythm. You might have a guy that's breaking open underneath across the middle of the field, but if he was supposed to break out, that's going to affect accuracy, timing and rhythm. When a player is only where he's supposed to be sometimes, it affects accuracy, timing and rhythm.
You're kidding yourself if you think is because Rodgers is in such decline he can't perform like he used to. or throw on time, or doesn't like to hit slants. We won a ****ing super bowl running that offense. He lit the league on fire in that offense. But you think he just doesn't want to run those plays LOL and though he still hits those plays to his only decent receiver in Adams, you think he can't anymore??? Ok
gbgary
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stumbled on this today. debated whether or not to even post it. i won't comment on it further.
extended play= holding the ball over 4 seconds
https://www.greenbaypressgazette.co...ic-missing-packers-extended-plays/2795997001/ by ryan wood
https://twitter.com/ByRyanWood?ref_src=twsrc^google|twcamp^serp|twgr^author
*facepalm* the spread, shotgun, holding the ball, scramble drills (the mccarthy/rodgers O) have to be drastically reduced. the young WR's can't run scramble drills and rodgers' accuracy issues make extending plays a nearly impossible proposition. this is the antithesis of MLF's O.
extended play= holding the ball over 4 seconds
https://www.greenbaypressgazette.co...ic-missing-packers-extended-plays/2795997001/ by ryan wood
https://twitter.com/ByRyanWood?ref_src=twsrc^google|twcamp^serp|twgr^author
*facepalm* the spread, shotgun, holding the ball, scramble drills (the mccarthy/rodgers O) have to be drastically reduced. the young WR's can't run scramble drills and rodgers' accuracy issues make extending plays a nearly impossible proposition. this is the antithesis of MLF's O.
there are 10 reasons on any given play why it might turn to hold the ball and scramble. earlier in the year, usually a guard/center issue letting pressure right in Aaron's face, but not such a problem as of late as the 2 new guards and center seem to have it worked out. But as was a problem then and continues to be, WR's are zigging when they should be zagging. Sure they might get open, but when your progressions are a certain way and someone isn't where they should be, or you can read they aren't going to go where they should be, or you're not sure, you may overlook them and by then the scramble is on.
But you're right, it's probably Rodgers who feasted on timing and rhythm plays in the prime of his career probably doesn't want to run those anymore, so he just doesn't
But you're right, it's probably Rodgers who feasted on timing and rhythm plays in the prime of his career probably doesn't want to run those anymore, so he just doesn't
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MLF coming here and just putting his playbook would be a mitigated disaster. He has a very good Qb and the playbook needs to be adapted to suit the team. It's just strange that Gary thinks this somehow means MLF rolling over.
ARs inaccuracies should be laid at QB coach and not MLF or the playbook. I'd even say due to bad QB coaching we are not seeing full potential of MLF plan.
ARs inaccuracies should be laid at QB coach and not MLF or the playbook. I'd even say due to bad QB coaching we are not seeing full potential of MLF plan.
gbgary
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That is something we all know?
He presented both sides of the coin. No diff than what goes on here
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Rodgers has as many championships as Favre.
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Not for long though.
So does Trent dilfer
Favre has an extra NFC Championship.
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Considering how many years he's been in the league, that's not saying too much.
