The Aaron Rodgers performance thread

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I didn't know what to think of MVS before the season started. He has good speed and size but there had to be a reason why he wasn't drafted higher than the 5th. It might be because he isn't the best route runner in the world and doesn't have great hands...?
.....and ...J'Mon Moore was drafted ahead of him. ;) All we need now is to find out that he attended a Jeff Janis Football camp and case closed. :coffee:
 

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1.15 mark..same exact route as Sunday where i showed pictures.

But he threw it perfect...and might have been mvs as well??

So he throw it perfect and a nice gain..but Sunday was behind..sure maybe wr could have caught..but it's proven if thrown in better spot he caught it.

Again.

If people say wr hand touches the ball no matter where it, is he has to catch it..And I AGREE...but then say rodgers should throw better ball

Yes, it takes both the QB and the WR to complete a pass. :)
 

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MVS disappointed me greatly. I was expecting huge things from him this year. Idk what happened. At least he's better than Allison.
they've all disappointed this year. when i heard the MLF hiring i expected all the WR's would have much better years than they have. i thought if the rams O could do a 180 in one season with this offense the Packers O should be able to do the same thing. it hasn't happen.
 

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You have been fair an open minded in this thread. Sorry to frustrated you. We will disagree on the quality of our WRs. I'm not saying they are great, but their talent Is not being fully tapped. People look back fondly on players like Cobb and don't recall he had his Share of drops too. All WRs drop passes. All QBs miss throws.

But how do you interpret this post?

Reads to me like AR has been great in the past therefore he can't be held responsible for issues this season. Rodgers gets the credit for great seasons but when he team struggles it therefore must be the WRs.
It is more that Rodgers performed much better and got lesser team results. The irony is that he is lacking in performance in 2019 yet the team result is better. John Elway carried the Broncos all his career but in his last two seasons the team won 2 SBs and he was not the same force he was previously.
 

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Rodgers targeted Adams on 31.8% of his throws since the receiver returned from injury in week 9. Hardly exclusively.

You missed the point. I'm talking about long stretches of sometimes 3 or 4 possessions where he doesn't look for anyone else and has passed up open receivers to go to Adams even when he was covered. He has had multiple stretches of tunnel vision like that, especially when he starts getting antsy in the pocket. If you haven't seen it, you haven't been watching. The last 2 or 3 weeks have been a little better with him looking at Alien Lizard a little more, but it still rears its head at times. It has to stop.
 

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they've all disappointed this year. when i heard the MLF hiring i expected all the WR's would have much better years than they have. i thought if the rams O could do a 180 in one season with this offense the Packers O should be able to do the same thing. it hasn't happen.

Well you also have to take into consideration who Goff had for weapons in 2018:
  • Woods
  • Kupp (only 8 games)
  • Cooks
  • Reynolds
  • Higbee
  • Gurley
 

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My issue with what you are suggesting is that we have seen that backfire way too many times at many positions, especially at TE after Finley's injury. Would have been nice to have seen enough from Sternberger this season to say "yup, he is ready and our next starter", but that didn't happen.

I think its careless and poor planning to neglect positions of need in the off season, because you are expecting/hoping that unproven talent steps up and fills those needs. That definitely happened at ILB and WR this season. I also don't consider solely relying on the draft to fill starting positions as prudent management either.
OK...I let you guys suck me into it and I am ashamed of myself. We are in the playoffs! I'll check on less important things after we win the super bowl.
 
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Let's all not forget that Brees missed the postseason like what? 4 times over the past decade and he wasn't necessarily doing well until recently. Rodgers in the first year learning a new system with a rookie head coach, with insubstantial talent at the receiving core for the most part, and is coming back from an injury from last year. I think overall he's done a decent job. DECENT, not outstanding or amazing. But with how we now have balanced, we don't necessarily need him to be outstanding or amazing. We've expanded in which now we have multiple ways of beating opponents rather than just relying on our QB, which is something we've been crying for due to the load he's been carrying for years.

FWIW the Saints have missed the playoffs in six of Brees' 14 seasons as their starter with him never missing a game because of injury in any of those.

You missed the point. I'm talking about long stretches of sometimes 3 or 4 possessions where he doesn't look for anyone else and has passed up open receivers to go to Adams even when he was covered. He has had multiple stretches of tunnel vision like that, especially when he starts getting antsy in the pocket. If you haven't seen it, you haven't been watching. The last 2 or 3 weeks have been a little better with him looking at Alien Lizard a little more, but it still rears its head at times. It has to stop.

Adams is by far the best wide receiver currently on the roster. I shouldn't come as a surprise that Rodgers is looking for him first when throwing the ball. He hasn't targeted him exclusively by any means though.
 
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Some games where Rodgers targeted Adams almost exclusively this year he had massive games.

Last weekend he did it for about 2 series too long in the first half. I saw many wide open receivers on broadcast cam. Haven’t been watched the all 22 yet and doubt I will cod we won.

I also think that if Slay didn’t get injured we may not of won.

Still way too many dropped catches. Alison just has to be cut at this point. Get Kumerow, MVS and Lazard more targets. Also Adams dropped an easy TD catch but admit that Rodgers ball location was off.

I think MLF had a bad play calling first half. He knew the Lions secondary was bad but they took way too many shot plays to not open receivers. They may be bad but they proved bad short and over the middle. If we played our second half game plan all game we would have won by 14.

In regards to Rodgers deep ball accuracy I think that has to do with being back in a dome. He was at Lambeau the week before and had to heave to ball to get it downfield. Still way too many deep shots though.

Don’t get me started on Graham. No excuse for not catching that first pass and taking it for 50 yards. I’d have Tonyan in on that play. Reason is he can catch lace out balls. He is faster and he would get less attention than Graham.

let’s not forget we got within one Seahawks drive of getting top seed. We have a ultra competitive bunch of guys that give it their all to get a win.

we can do this. Not guaranteed but we can.

Cheers from OZ.
 
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Some games where Rodgers targeted Adams almost exclusively this year he had massive games.

I also think that if Slay didn’t get injured we may not of won.

Still way too many dropped catches. Alison just has to be cut at this point. Get Kumerow, MVS and Lazard more targets. Also Adams dropped an easy TD catch but admit that Rodgers ball location was off.

It seems that some fans have a completely different understanding of the word exclusively than me. Rodgers targeted Adams on 40% of his throws at Minnesota in week 16, the highest mark for this season. With him throwing 60% of his passes to different receivers that means he still didn't exclusively target Adams in that game.

Slay returned to the game, playing 62 snaps in total during Sunday's game.

While the Packers might move on from Allison next offseason there's no reason to cut him at this point.
 

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I took a break at this as I felt my point is not valid and posters feel I should shut up.

I've agreed to the wr suck..multiple times

When open rodgers needs to not over throw or under throw. Plain and simple..nothing more nothing less.

If rodgers knows the wr sucks then place ball better or don't throw to him.
But damn it..if the wr is open by 5 yards hit him In proper spot...

If wr drops that's on him because rodgers did his part.

I can't say it any more clear.

Cheeseheadtv.com said it perfect

The reasoning that the Packers' receivers are sub par and that he doesn't have a solid-enough group to match previous season totals may have some validity.

However, the tape has shown time and time again that Rodgers missed many throws in 2019 that he has routinely made in the past. To boot, with one of the top offensive lines in the league.

Back to ignoring all this
 

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LTF again I think we're all in agreement that the offense could be playing better. That includes both Rodgers and the receivers.
 
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Sometime reading posts in forum is weird as I feel both of them are arguing a point that they essentially agree on! :rolleyes:
 

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Sometime reading posts in forum is weird as I feel both of them are arguing a point that they essentially agree on! :rolleyes:
For some it comes down to the semantics of the "argument". They aren't hearing another persons response in quite the way that they want to hear it or they feel that their messages aren't being heard, understood or acknowledged. Or....its just people wanting to argue, I mean discuss. :coffee:
 

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Well you also have to take into consideration who Goff had for weapons in 2018:
  • Woods
  • Kupp (only 8 games)
  • Cooks
  • Reynolds
  • Higbee
  • Gurley
ok but we all know the current set of WR's are getting open in this offense. who knows what their numbers would be if the O were run like it's supposed to be. it's getting the ball out quickly and on rhythm that makes it work. picking the right option on the rpo's. it's executing THAT offense. it's not holding the ball looking past open guys to take lower percentage shots...especially when accuracy has been a major problem.
 
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ok but we all know the current set of WR's are getting open in this offense. it's getting the ball out quickly and on rhythm that makes it work. picking the right option on the rpo's. it's executing THAT offense. it's not holding the ball looking past open guys to take lower percentage shots...especially when accuracy has been a major problem.

If you don't realize that the Rams had significantly better receivers than the Packers currently have there's no reason to further discuss about it with you.

In addition it's ludicrous that you suggest Rodgers needs to execute better on every single opportunity you get but don't hold the receiving corps to the same standards.
 

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If you don't realize that the Rams had significantly better receivers than the Packers currently have there's no reason to further discuss about it with you.

In addition it's ludicrous that you suggest Rodgers needs to execute better on every single opportunity you get but don't hold the receiving corps to the same standards.
i acknowledged that but again, our guys are getting open...and i've also said that the ball has to be caught, and the blocking has to be right, etc. yes...everyone has to execute. it's makes it tough though when everyone is on the same page but one.
 
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If you don't realize that the Rams had significantly better receivers than the Packers currently have there's no reason to further discuss about it with you.

In addition it's ludicrous that you suggest Rodgers needs to execute better on every single opportunity you get but don't hold the receiving corps to the same standards.
Gary Glasses don't allow for such perspective
 

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ok but we all know the current set of WR's are getting open in this offense. who knows what their numbers would be if the O were run like it's supposed to be. it's getting the ball out quickly and on rhythm that makes it work. picking the right option on the rpo's. it's executing THAT offense. it's not holding the ball looking past open guys to take lower percentage shots...especially when accuracy has been a major problem.
I won't hit on the captain's points, which were all spot on. In regards to taking the deep shots, in the Detroit game, LaFleur said that they were trying to pop them down the field by taking shots through the air.

So does that also feed into your narrative that Rodgers doesn't want to run the LaFleur offense, even though LaFleur himself said it was a part of the game plan? We don't know what the game plans are from game to game.
i acknowledged that but again, our guys are getting open...and i've also said that the ball has to be caught, and the blocking has to be right, etc. yes...everyone has to execute.
Yet you consistently harp on Rodgers not wanting to run the offense as designed. You almost never mention a damned thing about the receivers.
 
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i acknowledged that but again, our guys are getting open..

It's true that there are plays receivers are getting open but unfortunately aside of Adams none of them is capable of doing it consistently.

Actually it's getting annoying that fans are assigning blame for the passing game struggling. I honestly hope that it will improve in the playoffs because of Rodgers being more accurate and not passing up open guys while receivers improve separating from defenders as well as catching the ball when being targeted. That would significantly improve the Packers chances of making it to and winning in Miami.
 

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It's true that there are plays receivers are getting open but unfortunately aside of Adams none of them is capable of doing it consistently.

Actually it's getting annoying that fans are assigning blame for the passing game struggling. I honestly hope that it will improve in the playoffs because of Rodgers being more accurate and not passing up open guys while receivers improve separating from defenders as well as catching the ball when being targeted. That would significantly improve the Packers chances of making it to and winning in Miami.
agreed...but everyone is assigning blame for the passing game struggling...not just fans. media, former players, even Packers coaches (in a politically correct way however), are weighing in.
 

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I think we will have our answer as to how Gute and the Packers view this "Is it Rodgers or the Receivers?" during the off season. If they stay pretty well pat and not give Rodgers any higher quality weapons, than its a clear message to me. On the other hand, if come next Sept. our receiver depth chart looks substantially different than it currently does, that would mean something to me.
 

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I think we will have our answer as to how Gute and the Packers view this "Is it Rodgers or the Receivers?" during the off season. If they stay pretty well pat and not give Rodgers any higher quality weapons, than its a clear message to me. On the other hand, if come next Sept. our receiver depth chart looks substantially different than it currently does, that would mean something to me.
i think they'll definitely go for another WR. not trying to improve at any position, when possible, isn't acceptable.
 

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