The Aaron Rodgers performance thread

[swhitset]

I don't know that I'd agree with that. For all Allison's knocks, he does seem to come up with a timely catch almost every week for this team. I know he bobbles a lot, drops some, fumbles some and I've taken that into consideration, he's not a stud. But he seems to make more plays. Maybe because he gets more opportunity. MVS seemed to disappear from the target list for a while this season.

Personally Im not high in either one of them.... but if I had to rate them against each other MVS does not come out on top ...in my opinion.

 

[Pokerbrat2000]

Personally Im not high in either one of them.... but if I had to rate them against each other MVS does not come out on top ...in my opinion.

I would agree that its a toss up between the 2 WR's. Both have pretty much been a disappointment this season, depending on your expectations of course. I was actually more disappointed in Allison based on cost ($2.8M) and the fact that he was in his 4th year.

All that said, MVS will definitely be around to compete for a job next year, the 3rd year of his 4 year rookie deal. Whereas Allison, I doubt he is back in Green Bay, unless he is willing to come back on a no guaranteed vet min contract and earn a roster spot. Given that MVS is 2 years behind Allison, I think there is a greater chance of him improving, while I think what we have seen of Allison, is basically what you get.

 

[longtimefan]

is that the play MLF said MVS was supposed to run up the field? on one hand, you can say, yeah he should just hit the open receiver going across the field, but at the same time, when a receiver breaks, and he's supposed to go up, not across, does the QB wait to see which way he's going and then throw? or if it's timing and on the break he throws to where the route is supposed to be run to execute the offense? In this league, waiting often means you're late.

While it looks like a miss, MLF's comments lead me to believe there is more to the story and what we see as fans isn't always what is actually going on.

Don't think it was same play

 

[longtimefan]

Not to mention, MVS has been hit perfectly in stride with some absolute strikes this season and he dropped those too.

Again..

I get if wr breaks one way and rodgers expected him to go another way..

I get if scramble and rodgers wants him to come closer but he goes further.

My point again

My Pic, that is not same play as what MLF was referencing.that was a standard across middle.. Maybe rodgers forgot his speed? And that's why behind..

Jones...he over throws wheel route twice. That's not wrong route, or Jones went in and rodgers wanted our..

Deep balls..over thrown as it wasn't a case of wrong break, as the ball is in same path as wr..

Wr needs to catch if in radius...but rodgers needs to throw it better..

People are missing my point 100 percent..

I'm done with this lol

 

[PackAttack12]

Again..

I get if wr breaks one way and rodgers expected him to go another way..

I get if scramble and rodgers wants him to come closer but he goes further.

My point again

My Pic, that is not same play as what MLF was referencing.that was a standard across middle.. Maybe rodgers forgot his speed? And that's why behind..

Jones...he over throws wheel route twice. That's not wrong route, or Jones went in and rodgers wanted our..

Deep balls..over thrown as it wasn't a case of wrong break, as the ball is in same path as wr..

Wr needs to catch if in radius...but rodgers needs to throw it better..

People are missing my point 100 percent..

I'm done with this lol

But who's really refuting that Rodgers needs to make basic throws?

 

[Do7]

Again..

I get if wr breaks one way and rodgers expected him to go another way..

I get if scramble and rodgers wants him to come closer but he goes further.

My point again

My Pic, that is not same play as what MLF was referencing.that was a standard across middle.. Maybe rodgers forgot his speed? And that's why behind..

Jones...he over throws wheel route twice. That's not wrong route, or Jones went in and rodgers wanted our..

Deep balls..over thrown as it wasn't a case of wrong break, as the ball is in same path as wr..

Wr needs to catch if in radius...but rodgers needs to throw it better..

People are missing my point 100 percent..

I'm done with this lol

Who here is refuting that Rodgers needs to throw the ball better? I don't think I've seen you acknowledge that the receivers need to do better in catching the ball, especially when they were right on the money.

 

[Pugger]

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[longtimefan]

Who here is refuting that Rodgers needs to throw the ball better? I don't think I've seen you acknowledge that the receivers need to do better in catching the ball, especially when they were right on the money.

I've believe I have said...wr need to catch the ball..

Question asked about what we get in trade for our wr..I said there is no talent to get anything . And that they can't get open as better talent could.

I have agreed to a huge statement to Carolina about everything he said.

Wr for 95%...Probably can be blamed....but 5 % rodgers throws a bad ball..

I simple wish people can accept rodgers has thrown bad balls..

 

[longtimefan]

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1.15 mark..same exact route as Sunday where i showed pictures.

But he threw it perfect...and might have been mvs as well??

So he throw it perfect and a nice gain..but Sunday was behind..sure maybe wr could have caught..but it's proven if thrown in better spot he caught it.

Again.

If people say wr hand touches the ball no matter where it, is he has to catch it..And I AGREE...but then say rodgers should throw better ball

 

[Packer Fan in SD]

I think I saw at least 5-6 balls overthrown, underthown or behind the receivers in the last game. Rodgers was way more accurate to me when they picked up the pace. Just because the receivers drop balls does not change the fact he has not been on target on some of those throws. He had a couple of touch throws that went way overhead. Something is going on. He is still who I want tossing the ball, but he has missed some passes too. Combine it all together and we have a less than stellar offense passing.

 

[Do7]

I've believe I have said...wr need to catch the ball..

Question asked about what we get in trade for our wr..I said there is no talent to get anything . And that they can't get open as better talent could.

I have agreed to a huge statement to Carolina about everything he said.

Wr for 95%...Probably can be blamed....but 5 % rodgers throws a bad ball..

I simple wish people can accept rodgers has thrown bad balls..

I think we all are on one accord then, I don't think anyone here is dismissive at Rodgers needing to throw better balls.

 

[longtimefan]

I think I saw at least 5-6 balls overthrown, underthown or behind the receivers in the last game. Rodgers was way more accurate to me when they picked up the pace. Just because the receivers drop balls does not change the fact he has not been on target on some of those throws. He had a couple of touch throws that went way overhead. Something is going on. He is still who I want tossing the ball, but he has missed some passes too. Combine it all together and we have a less than stellar offense passing.

Be careful you will be made to feel like this doesn't count

 

[longtimefan]

I think we all are on one accord then, I don't think anyone here is dismissive at Rodgers needing to throw better balls.

Most of it has been the wr suck and can't get open..how is rodgers supposed to throw to them type of excuses..and I agree 100 percent...

My stance has ALWAYS been..

If they are wide open (as my pictures showed) or simple wheel routes..sometimes he misses...the passes should be better..

That is all I ever wanted and said..

 

[PackAttack12]

I simple wish people can accept rodgers has thrown bad balls..

Come on LTF. Who here hasn’t acknowledged that Rodgers has thrown some bad balls?

 

[AmishMafia]

I would love for some posters to watch a game from 6 years ago alongside the Detroit game. Rodgers is not playing as well as he as in the past.

His elite play from several years ago should not make him immune or above being criticized.

I think the blame should be at the feet of both AR and the WR corps. Outside of Adams we really don't have a receiving group that will cause DCs to lose sleep over. 17 is really good at getting open, which is remarkable seeing most defenses are gonna make it a priority to stop him. He got almost 1000 yards this year and he missed 4 games. It wouldn't hurt to get another veteran WR opposite him in 2020.

Adams was out for all of October. It was also the best month for Rodgers this season including his best game. 2 of his 4 games over 300 yds occured while Adams was not playing. If Adams is our only receiving threat, how was that possible?

 

[PackAttack12]

I would love for some posters to watch a game from 6 years ago alongside the Detroit game. Rodgers is not playing as well as he as in the past.

His elite play from several years ago should not make him immune or above being criticized.

Adams was out for all of October. It was also the best month for Rodgers this season including his best game. 2 of his 4 games over 300 yds occured while Adams was not playing. If Adams is our only receiving threat, how was that possible?

This is a fair criticism. To say that he isn’t performing to the level he used to is accurate. But it’s also accurate to say that what he has to work with is considerably less than what he has ever had to work with as it relates to the passing game.

To LTFs point, he’s missing a lot of throws he normally makes. No question about it. But these receivers are also a far cry from Jordy, Cobb, Jennings, Driver, etc outside of Davante.

Another year in MLF’s system, paired with adding more talented playmakers will lead to better production from 12. But you are correct. He has to make the basic plays.

 

[AmishMafia]

This is a fair criticism. To say that he isn’t performing to the level he used to is accurate. But it’s also accurate to say that what he has to work with is considerably less than what he has ever had to work with as it relates to the passing game.

To LTFs point, he’s missing a lot of throws he normally makes. No question about it. But these receivers are also a far cry from Jordy, Cobb, Jennings, Driver, etc outside of Davante.

Another year in MLF’s system, paired with adding more talented playmakers will lead to better production from 12. But you are correct. He has to make the basic plays.

Chicken or the egg. Maybe the WRs would look better if they were getting better passes and when they are open. Maybe this group is better than many think and those of the past only looked better because AR was making better throws.

 

[bigbubbatd]

Chicken or the egg. Maybe the WRs would look better if they were getting better passes and when they are open. Maybe this group is better than many think and those of the past only looked better because AR was making better throws.

This group of wrs is dropping a lot of catchable balls. It is hard to find examples of times where they bailed out Rodgers. If you need perfect passes from the qb to look good as a WR then you probably are not very good. Allison, MVS, and Graham have all missed very catchable balls consistently throughout the year.

To be clear I am not saying Rodgers gets a pass for being inaccurate but good pass catchers catch more than just balls place perfectly (and Allison and Graham have dropped enough of those too). Inaccurate passing and inept receiving outside a couple guys keep this team from consistently sustaining drives.

 

[PackAttack12]

This group of wrs is dropping a lot of catchable balls. It is hard to find examples of times where they bailed out Rodgers. If you need perfect passes from the qb to look good as a WR then you probably are not very good. Allison, MVS, and Graham have all missed very catchable balls consistently throughout the year.

To be clear I am not saying Rodgers gets a pass for being inaccurate but good pass catchers catch more than just balls place perfectly (and Allison and Graham have dropped enough of those too). Inaccurate passing and inept receiving outside a couple guys keep this team from consistently sustaining drives.

Right.

I don’t know why it is impossible to comprehend that both things can be true. Pass catchers aren’t as good as years past, and Rodgers not being at the top of his game.

As is the case 99 times out of 100, its a mixture of both.

 

[milani]

This is completely what hurts my head. He played so bad for so long... Put's together a drive to win it. I have a headache.

And what frustrates us is that many years he carried the team to get 10, 11, 12, and 15 win seasons. We get a 13 and he is not having anywhere close to a good season.

 

[PackAttack12]

And what frustrates us is that many years he carried the team to get 10, 11, 12, and 15 win seasons. We get a 13 and he is not having anywhere close to a good season.

He’s still that guy though. If he’s able to put it all together, we have a hell of a shot against anyone.

 

[AmishMafia]

And what frustrates us is that many years he carried the team to get 10, 11, 12, and 15 win seasons. We get a 13 and he is not having anywhere close to a good season.

What is frustrating is the prevailing attitude that poor Rodgers needs more weapons. That because he has won 10, 11, 12, and 15 games in the past (entirely by himself) that he is primarily responsible for each of our 13 wins this season.

But there is no reason to actually think about stuff. No reason to analyze or even watch the games. Rodgers is a god and shall not be blamed.

Add a good receiver to this roster and we complete an extra 2 passes per game.

Have Rodgers start throwing better and we complete 7 extra passes per game.

Why is it such a religious affront to even consider Rodgers needs to play better?

 

[PackAttack12]

What is frustrating is the prevailing attitude that poor Rodgers needs more weapons. That because he has won 10, 11, 12, and 15 games in the past (entirely by himself) that he is primarily responsible for each of our 13 wins this season.

But there is no reason to actually think about stuff. No reason to analyze or even watch the games. Rodgers is a god and shall not be blamed.

Add a good receiver to this roster and we complete an extra 2 passes per game.

Have Rodgers start throwing better and we complete 7 extra passes per game.

Why is it such a religious affront to even consider Rodgers needs to play better?

For the love of God you and LTF are too much right now. Who is saying that Rodgers doesn’t need to play better? Or that he isn’t missing throws? Who? Names please. And if there are some, it’s an incredibly small minority.

 

[OldSchool101]

I have been trying to say this exact thing for the last 20 hours. Sometimes, I get the impression that people think that Rodgers has the exact same overhead camera viewpoint that they have, while watching it replay 10 times before he has to throw the ball. If you have ever played football, you know that he doesn't. Why do you think receivers run routes? They run them so the QB has a good idea of where they should be as he might be scrambling for his life and its his job to check down as many of those receivers and routes and pick the one that he feels he can complete, all this done in a matter of seconds, with a very limited field of vision from field level, through lots of bodies. How does Mahomes complete a "no look pass"? Because he knows where his receiver is suppose to be, so he can literally close his eyes and throw to that spot on the field.

Further, if all the routes are well covered and Rodgers can extend his scramble time, its time for the receivers to scramble as well. This is where Rodgers and some of his top receivers have excelled together, knowing what the other guy was going to do. I don't see that this year as much. If a receiver doesn't run the initial route that he is suppose to or break out of that route in a way familiar to Rodgers, he hasn't had a lot of luck hitting them.

Has Rodgers missed throws he should have made? Yes. But I don't think his misses are as clear cut all his fault as some fans and the media are wanting to make them.

This is not a rebuttal, I’m just furthering you’re point.
I rewatched the first quartet of the last game. I saw all I needed to put this singular QB argument being the culprit to rest. There were multiple errors by multiple players not having a #12 jersey.

GB punted twice because of a pass that was caught at the 1st down marker (called back for O holding). Is that Rodgers fault also?
Then in the same quarter he hits Devante on another 1st down, perfect throw with a defender glued to him. It’s caught for a big gain, His second foot doesn’t make it in by inches. It’s ruled a catch, but challenged and reversed. Punting again. (Is that Rodgers fault also??)
Rodgers had his first 11 passes.. 6 catches against 5 misses. 2 catches were reversed. 2 misses we clearly his fault (1 on a rollout throw while running missed a TD + 1 to Jones wise open toward the sideline).
The 2 reversed catches ended in 2 punts either that play or next play.
That’s just 1 quarter. But it shows for one that not every catch was counted and not every miss was directly a bad throw by the QB. I had 2 coverage misses (1 throwaway at the feet rolling right and 1 long ball in tight coverage to Lazard long left.

Rodgers misses several key passes that any of which would’ve resulted in a 1st down minimum. But also contributing we had receivers dropping passes, catches reversed, catches brought back due to penalty, coverage incompletions, wrong WR routes.

Does Rodgers deserve some blame, absolutely.
But if we’re going to point fingers were also going to need both hands and all fingers in various directions. I saw a host of other reasons than Aaron Rodgers and i have far more confidence #12 will get his part fixed before Jimmy or MVS or an OL false starts.. This is and always will be a team sport, it’s far more aggravating to me listening to the finger pointing going on i here in the direction of who’s to blame? I have your answer:
EVERYONE IS TO BLAME and each member of that Offense better step up their individual game or the ENTIRE team will LOSE

 

[AmishMafia]

For the love of God you and LTF are too much right now. Who is saying that Rodgers doesn’t need to play better? Or that he isn’t missing throws? Who? Names please. And if there are some, it’s an incredibly small minority.

You have been fair an open minded in this thread. Sorry to frustrated you. We will disagree on the quality of our WRs. I'm not saying they are great, but their talent Is not being fully tapped. People look back fondly on players like Cobb and don't recall he had his Share of drops too. All WRs drop passes. All QBs miss throws.

But how do you interpret this post?

And what frustrates us is that many years he carried the team to get 10, 11, 12, and 15 win seasons. We get a 13 and he is not having anywhere close to a good season.

Reads to me like AR has been great in the past therefore he can't be held responsible for issues this season. Rodgers gets the credit for great seasons but when he team struggles it therefore must be the WRs.