The Aaron Rodgers performance thread

[Mondio]

For as bad as his supporting cast is this year, last year was worse and it was with a fx in his plant leg. The year before that he was off to a pretty good start before missing most of the season with a shattered clavicle

 

[HardRightEdge]

Interesting article from Detroit about Stafford that also contains some blunt observations regarding Aaron Rodgers:

https://www.freep.com/story/sports/...ing-matthew-staffords-prime-years/2784723001/

"Some" blunt observations, but more nuanced than you seem to want to make it. Did your read at least half way down?

"But [Rodgers] also has graduated from the Best Quarterback Playing Right Now to one who’s just good. Tom Brady did the same a few years ago — Brady’s the greatest quarterback of all time, but he doesn’t throw the ball like he used to — and Drew Brees, too."

Those bold passages make for a questionable summation that should cast doubt on the thrust of the analysis especially in light of the numbers Brees put up this season. All in all, I wouldn't quibble about Rodgers being merely "good". I like "good". Many teams expend years and massive capital trying to get to "good" at the position. There's a wide range of "good" as well. You pick which end of the spectrum of "good" where you want to place him. I'd be inclined to say the higher end.

 

[BrokenArrow]

Adams is by far the best wide receiver currently on the roster. I shouldn't come as a surprise that Rodgers is looking for him first when throwing the ball. He hasn't targeted him exclusively by any means though.

So you're telling me you prefer him to throw 20 yards downfield to a covered Adams than to someone else wide open over the middle for 8 or 9 yards? That scenario has been happening way too frequently. It's not that Adams is always open and nobody else is. That's pure bunk. It's that there are stretches where he REFUSES to throw to anyone else.

 

[BrokenArrow]

Brady’s the greatest quarterback of all time.

No. Brady is the QB in the best situation of all time. You could name plenty of QBs who would have done just as well on those teams. There are a few who might even have had 1 or 2 more rings than he does.

 

[PackAttack12]

No. Brady is the QB in the best situation of all time. You could name plenty of QBs who would have done just as well on those teams. There are a few who might even have had 1 or 2 more rings than he does.

I disagree with “plenty”, due to how clutch Brady has been in the biggest moments. There’s only a few in the league that have that type of ability to perform at the highest level in the biggest moments. I won’t take that away from him.

 

[Do7]

I think Brady has benefited from a lot of things, but I have to give it to him he is the Greatest. For the longest I was reserving that to Montana, and while I think there is a lot less controversy with Montana, after that win against Atlanta, I had to give it to him in spite of all the defeats.

 

[gbgary]

It’s funny how you state an opinion... and then declare it as fact... and then base everything else on your own reality.

but it is fact. the current O is not what MLF had in mind. it's been customized to fit rodgers desires. that's indisputable. ignoring that fact is silly.

 

[rmontro]

No. Brady is the QB in the best situation of all time.

There's truth in this, but Bart Starr was in a similar situation, he was on the best team with the best coach. You still have to put in the work and execute. The main difference between Brady and Starr is that Starr's character was unquestionable.

 

[XPack]

again...i'm not a rodgers hater. i'm a rodgers fan.

Well, you coulda fooled me, mate!

 

[XPack]

There's truth in this, but Bart Starr was in a similar situation, he was on the best team with the best coach. You still have to put in the work and execute. The main difference between Brady and Starr is that Starr's character was unquestionable.

So was Lombardi's.

Fact is Bart Starr never QB'd a winning season before or after Lombardi. They were made for each other.

Looking like TB and BB could be another such duo.

 

[gopkrs]

So you're telling me you prefer him to throw 20 yards downfield to a covered Adams than to someone else wide open over the middle for 8 or 9 yards? That scenario has been happening way too frequently. It's not that Adams is always open and nobody else is. That's pure bunk. It's that there are stretches where he REFUSES to throw to anyone else.

Was going to agree with you but REFUSES is just ridiculous.

 

[longtimefan]

I'm not even going to go back and look at all the people who brought this up, but I recall that after Sundays sub par performance by Rodgers, a few posters brought up the "distraction of him and Danica just buying a new home in Malibu and what was he thinking doing that right now?"

They closed on the house in November and had already moved in!

"Records reveal the all-cash, $28 million transaction went down off-market in November, though the pair actually moved into the property months ago, leasing the house over the summer."

https://pagesix.com/2019/12/26/aaron-rodgers-and-danica-patrick-buy-28m-malibu-estate/

but it is fact. the current O is not what MLF had in mind. it's been customized to fit rodgers desires. that's indisputable. ignoring that fact is silly.

where is it as fact?

Show us.

 

[Do7]

again...i'm not a rodgers hater. i'm a rodgers fan

While that may be the case, throughout the time I've interacted with you, you're more of a Rodgers' critic if anything. Not once have I seen you give credit to Rodgers, or at least if you did it was a backhanded compliment in which you were trying to not fess up on being wrong. I could be wrong though. You're not the worst of them if there's any condolence.

 

[longtimefan]

Anybody catch Seattle's closing possession against SF last week with the Division on the line? If not, I'll break it down for you. I think you will find it instructive:

1st. and 10 at SF's 12 with 0:55 on the clock: Rocket ball to Metcalf on a slant into a tight window in the end zone. Broken up.

2nd. and 10 at SF's 12 with 0:51 on the clock: Wilson is under pressure, steps up, throws off his back foot foot to get it out on time to Hollister on a corner route. The defender was chasing with his back to the throw. It wasn't a particularly good route run by a guy who is not expecially athletic, and the ball was a little high and outside given who Hollister is and how he ran it. A stud might have been digging harder, looking back later, leaped, twisted and made it a brilliant back shoulder pitch and catch where everybody looks like a football genius. Such as it is, it looks like an off target throw. Regardless, it shouldn't come as a shock that top QBs miss these kinds of throws under these conditions, regardless of the target, more often than not. They don't make low-light tapes except when there's an axe to grind.

3rd. and 10 at SF's 12 with 0:46 on the clock: The play clock ticks down to zero for no good reason and Carroll uses his last the time out, something I'm sure he was not too pleased about. Was Wilson lolly gagging? Did the play call come in late? Was Wilson not watching the clock? In any case, Caroll probably takes over TO responsibility in these situations, not a bad idea. The QB has enough to think about.

Same down, distance and time: Wilson floats one to the left corner with no receiver within about 8 yards of the ball. Metcalf got balled up with the defender. However that was happening well before Wilson released the ball. Did he not see that? Does he lack field presence? Was he looking for a hold? Should he have gone elsewhere? It was a timing throw with no progression, all or nothing, as is the nature of timing throws. I suppose Wilson could have pulled it down and gone playground. On the other hand, it's not a situation where you can afford a sack. Call it a quasi-throwaway.

4th. and 10 at SF's 12 with 0:42 on the clock: SF calls TO. Then Wilson makes a nice throw on a semi-rollout off the back foot under some pressure to Usuna on an out route at the 1 yard line for the first down. That was Usuna's first catch in the NFL. (As an aside, Collinsworth said it was Lockett and had to be corrected. I don't know how that guy keeps that job. That play before this one? He said there was a bungled pick. The replay shows nothing of the sort. I guess people like to hear his non-stop random blatherings and mistakes. It happens throughout every game.)

1st and goal at SF's 1 with 0:23 on the clock. Fant took his time getting back to the huddle and precious time ticked off before the spike.

2nd. and goal at SF's 1 with 0:22 on the clock. Lynch comes in. Delay of game penalty. How the heck does that happen after a spike? Excessive deliberation over the play call I suspect. Losing that time and distance took away the run threat. Lynch leaves the game without taking a snap.

2nd. and goal at SF's 6 with 0:22 on the clock. Wilson under pressure again floats the ball to the corner into double coverage. Lockett had no chance and the ball was nearly picked with the defender not quite getting two feet down. Maybe if Lockett was 6'4", or 6'1" with a a good vertical, the kind of catch radiius you like to have in close, he stops short and goes over the defenders for the ball. A low probablity outcome regardless of who is throwing and catching, but again when it happens it goes on the highlight reel and everybody looks like a football genius. Regardless, that's not who Lockett is. But they had already tried those other guys on the corner routes.

3rd. and goal at SF's 6 with 0:15 on the clock. Possible pass interference on Hollister is not reviewed. But we know darn well that when these games come down to the final seconds they let guys play. Booth review evidently isn't going to change that. I suspect Wilson may have done what we've seen Rodgers do on numerous occasions: throw the ball to a guy in no position to catch it who is being held or interfered with, looking for the flag. Sometimes you get the call, sometimes you don't, but next to never in these situations. Frankly, after this dismal display of offense and time management Seattle should have to earn it.

4th. and goal at SF's 6 with 0:12 on the clock. Willson hits Hollister on a slat. He couldn't bull through the LB and comes up literally an inch or two short of the goal line. Game over. Seattle sure could have used the TO, time and distance they wasted along the way. They could have worked in, or at least threatened, a run from the 1.

So, what's the point? It should be obvious.

1) Seattle's been winning ugly all year, at least as ugly as the Packers. This would have been uglier than any Packer finish had they pulled it out. It's expecially ugly in itself, and uglier still since they lost the game.

2) This series is a microcosm of the complaints leveled against the Packer offense and Rodgers this season. We've got a wasted timeout, a delay of game, lost time waiting for a guy to get to the huddle, throws a little off and a lot off and superficial issues with the QB decision making.

3) The targets are Hollister, Metcalf and Usuna, not a particulary threatening bunch. Lockett's a fine player, just not the type to be throwing to on a corner fade. No TE anywhere in the mix.

In conclusion, why are people not asking, "What's wrong with Wilson?" Well, a lot has to do with a nice passer rating and point 3) above. He sure looked pretty ordinary in this mess of plays while the sidelines muddled away opportunities trying to figure out which of their less than threatening options to choose from.

It's an object lesson. The quality of the weapons may not account for everything, but it sure counts for something. And get the d*mn plays in on d*mn time. At least the Packers have cleaned that up quite a bit the last few weeks.

If some of those are a timing type play? It Could be any number of reasons why incomplete?? For me those can be easily understood why..

Maybe that's why no real push back on him? For most of the year he was really good and was neck and neck with Lamar as mvp.


But wide open such as mvs was (and that wasn't the play MLF singled out) or the 2 wheel routes to Jones, where one would have been a td, are what I and others have issues with..

Ryan wood

https://1057fmthefan.radio.com/media/audio-channel/wood-the-packers-wrs-need-to-be-better

6 min 20 sec mark? Butler literally says exact what I have said..missing so wide open.

Ryan says throws were bad and primary function of qb is hitting throws..

All exact things I have said..EXACT

Everyone should listen

 

[Poppa San]

but it is fact. the current O is not what MLF had in mind. it's been customized to fit rodgers desires. that's indisputable. ignoring that fact is silly.

Cite?
I do know the running game was modified to take advantage of the OLs method of blocking. Fewer outside stretch runs I believe replaced by imore inside runs.

 

[Deleted member 6794]

Look at Carson Wentz. He lost his top 3 WRs and is still doing very well.

It would be smart to consider the opponents the Eagles have faced over the past six games into evaluating Wentz's performance.

That being said, I find it hilarious that a multitude of fans here would give Aaron the entirety of his new contract (in which we pay him to be a top tier QB btw) to clean up his act, willing to cut him slack for just one. more. game. Sure, he deserves more of our patience than most Packer players as in the past he has definitely earned it, but at some point you got to criticize him as equally as everybody else.

Rodgers is definitely not above criticism but I'm quite optimistic that after the Packers have moved on from him at some point down the road a lot of fans will finally realize how fortunate the Packers have been featuring a HOF quarterback starting for their team for 30 years.

So you're telling me you prefer him to throw 20 yards downfield to a covered Adams than to someone else wide open over the middle for 8 or 9 yards? That scenario has been happening way too frequently. It's not that Adams is always open and nobody else is. That's pure bunk. It's that there are stretches where he REFUSES to throw to anyone else.

I definitely don't prefer Rodgers targeting Adams while covered instead of throwing to another receiver being wide open. That doesn't happen nearly as often as you want to make us believe though.

but it is fact. the current O is not what MLF had in mind. it's been customized to fit rodgers desires. that's indisputable. ignoring that fact is silly.

Of course MLF has tailored the offense towards Rodgers strengths, anything else would be completely foolish. Would you like the Packers to run a scheme Lamar Jackson would thrive in???

That doesn't mean that Rodgers isn't running MLF's offense by any means though. You should double check the meaning of the word fact.

While that may be the case, throughout the time I've interacted with you, you're more of a Rodgers' critic if anything.

No, gbgary is a Rodgers hater. There are several other posters around here capable of constructive criticism of Rodgers, he's definitely not one of them though.

 

[elcid]

It would be smart to consider the opponents the Eagles have faced over the past six games into evaluating Wentz's performance.

Rodgers is definitely not above criticism but I'm quite optimistic that after the Packers have moved on from him at some point down the road a lot of fans will finally realize how fortunate the Packers have been featuring a HOF quarterback starting for their team for 30 years.

Well, Aaron really hasn't the faced the best teams either. And I didn't mean to imply that we should move on from Rodgers. Of course we are very fortunate to have him. I want him to succeed and become the great leader that he can potentially be. But the fact is that a lot of people would not want to acknowledge the truth. And that is that, yes, even though he has a lesser stable of receivers, he has been declining, but more importantly, has not shown the tendency during games to claim part of the blame, shifting it to anyone but himself. It's why at this point I value Brees and Wilson waaay more. Because they have the heart to stay positive and humble.

This is not an unfamiliar debate on this forum, and several posters here argued that Aaron has never been a motivational leader, but one who leads with his elite level play. Now that that is out the window, I really encourage him to start pursuing the other ways to be a great leader.

 

[Deleted member 6794]

Well, Aaron really hasn't the faced the best teams either.

While the offense should have definitely played better vs. the lowly Lions you have to realise that the Packers have faced nine top 12 scoring defenses this season, more than during any other season with Rodgers as their starter.

I don't care to comment about his leadership or lack thereof because none of us have any idea about it.

 

[Do7]

No, gbgary is a Rodgers hater. There are several other posters around here capable of constructive criticism of Rodgers, he's definitely not one of them though.

I restrained myself from calling him a straight on hater simply because he will make some valid points every so often, to which even I conceded that he was right and apologized for misinterpreting him. He definitely leans more of the negative side in regards to Rodgers, but I wouldn't put him in the same category as guys like Quientus and especially RicFlair, those to me are the definition of Rodgers haters. I will defend Gary that while he has been critical of Rodgers, he will at times give him his due, even though it might be a backhanded compliment. He's not as bad as the two that I mentioned. Hence why I called him a critic.

 

[longtimefan]

I restrained myself from calling him a straight on hater simply because he will make some valid points every so often, to which even I conceded that he was right and apologized for misinterpreting him. He definitely leans more of the negative side in regards to Rodgers, but I wouldn't put him in the same category as guys like Quientus and especially RicFlair, those to me are the definition of Rodgers haters. I will defend Gary that while he has been critical of Rodgers, he will at times give him his due, even though it might be a backhanded compliment. He's not as bad as the two that I mentioned. Hence why I called him a critic.

Where is quientus?

Was.here 26 hours ago

 

[longtimefan]

Well, Aaron really hasn't the faced the best teams either. And I didn't mean to imply that we should move on from Rodgers. Of course we are very fortunate to have him. I want him to succeed and become the great leader that he can potentially be. But the fact is that a lot of people would not want to acknowledge the truth. And that is that, yes, even though he has a lesser stable of receivers, he has been declining, but more importantly, has not shown the tendency during games to claim part of the blame, shifting it to anyone but himself. It's why at this point I value Brees and Wilson waaay more. Because they have the heart to stay positive and humble.

This is not an unfamiliar debate on this forum, and several posters here argued that Aaron has never been a motivational leader, but one who leads with his elite level play. Now that that is out the window, I really encourage him to start pursuing the other ways to be a great leader.

I love how people assume they know how he leads..

Unless your in the halls of 1265, or know someone there, can you really act like your right?

 

[longtimefan]

.

Look at Carson Wentz. He lost his top 3 WRs and is still doing very well. I don't think a WR, no matter how great, can make a good QB great. A great QB, however, can make good WRs better. Whether it is by accurate passes, system knowledge, or leadership, I think it is much bigger impact the QBs level of play has on WRs.

I have a few on ignore..

But I can say for certain this statement will get picked apart by saying he Carson faced less then superior teams.

But...Detroit was ranked 31st? in pass defense? So why didn't rodgers have a field day.

 

[Do7]

Where is quientus?

Was.here 26 hours ago

Beats me, I haven't seen him or RicFlair since my return, but even when I was locked out, I don't ever recall him commenting on anything.

 

[longtimefan]

Beats me, I haven't seen him since my return, but even when I was locked out, I don't ever recall him commenting on anything.

He hasn't posted since Sept

But viewed forum 530 am Thursday

@Quientus

 

[Do7]

He hasn't posted since Sept

But viewed forum 530 am Thursday

@Quientus

Maybe he was locked out as well? I know I had a buddy to try to register on here in order to notify you guys in regards to me not receiving receive a verification code to my email in order to access this place, and he had the same problem in regards to the verification code not going to his email. So it wasn't just me.