The Aaron Rodgers performance thread

[PackerFanLV]

To me aaron gets down on himself and receivers to fast and it throws is game off. Even that interception he threw was short kumerow actually had to stop running. maybe all the stuff in aarons life is affecting his play on the field. The commercials, being part owner of the bucks learning everybody damn name in the league oh and danica patrick, he always mentions drinking scotch in his interview and you can tell hes aging in the face. maybe he need to slow down and just focus on his craft which is football. Thats just my opinion, with his talent he should throw 2 td's a game in his sleep, the oline has been giving him plenty of time.

 

[Pokerbrat2000]

All media is discussing this so there is some meat to it

Meat to it for a feeding frenzy? I would agree with that. Makes for great chatter.

While I agree that Rodgers needs to shoulder some blame, which he does from time to time, I also think that the media, as well as some Packer fans, love to pile on as much blame as they can. Why? Because it makes for a lot more interesting and dramatic discussion, then it would be to talk about a 2nd year receiver running the wrong routes or receivers dropping passes.

For instance, posters here have mentioned how Rodgers overthrew MVS in the game Sunday. Yet MLF talks about that very play today as a big missed opportunity. One in which MVS was one on one with a Will LB, but flattened his route out too much and Rodgers throw was where he should have been had he kept the route high. Yet another example of inexperienced WR's not being where they are expected to be and one that made it look like to the casual fan that Rodgers had overthrown him.

Rodgers reaction to that was no different then when Jeff Janis would blow a route.

 

[OldSchool101]

I literally said he is average which the stats support.

So you think he’s like #16 average? The stats I see as a whole put him in the top #8-#10 range (which is still better than average even in a down statistical year) I’m not sure what major group of stats you’re referring to placing him ranked #16 range. I don’t see that evidence and if anything to the contrary.
Doesn’t make sense directly at all. But digging deeper, I think as you stated you’re just mad because he doesn’t own up to his end of the problems. I think that might be partly true, but it’s not the whole story and it’s blown out of proportion.
The media doesn’t want you to know the full story because it has an agenda. I kinda see through it, because they beat it like a Drum a little too often. They should’ve kept it more subdued, it would’ve been more plausible and believable IMO.
I stand by the old saying. Believe none of what you hear and half of what you think you see.

 

[rmontro]

So you think he’s like #16 average? The stats I see as a whole put him in the top #8-#10 range

That sounds reasonable to me. I think he's well above average as a quarterback, even if he did have a bad game yesterday. He doesn't appear to be as accurate or athletically skilled as he used to be, but the position is about more than that. The dude has smarts and experience, and he's shown this year that he can be clutch. I trust him at the position, and the Packers are invested in him so he isn't going anywhere soon.

Maybe he can't carry the team on his own anymore, but he never should have been asked to. Gute needs to get him some weapons this offseason.

 

[longtimefan]

Meat to it for a feeding frenzy? I would agree with that. Makes for great chatter.

While I agree that Rodgers needs to shoulder some blame, which he does from time to time, I also think that the media, as well as some Packer fans, love to pile on as much blame as they can. Why? Because it makes for a lot more interesting and dramatic discussion, then it would be to talk about a 2nd year receiver running the wrong routes or receivers dropping passes.

For instance, posters here have mentioned how Rodgers overthrew MVS in the game Sunday. Yet MLF talks about that very play today as a big missed opportunity. One in which MVS was one on one with a Will LB, but flattened his route out too much and Rodgers throw was where he should have been had he kept the route high. Yet another example of inexperienced WR's not being where they are expected to be and one that made it look like to the casual fan that Rodgers had overthrown him.

Rodgers reaction to that was no different then when Jeff Janis would blow a route.

We will agree to disagree.

 

[Deleted member 6794]

So then you understand his completion percentage speaks nothing about his accuracy then.

The throw aways should definitely be considered when evaluating Rodgers completion percentage. The number significantly increased over the past two season though.

Over threw Jones on a swing pass..and just now behind mvs
that's exactly what I'm.talking about..wide open and he throws behind.

Who cards if undrafted..or number 1.he needs to do better at those.

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MVS could have caught that ball though, getting both hands on it.

So did rodgers overthrow or under throw?

majority know the answer you just won't admit it. It's all over media, Sunday night football showed and mentioned it..

Wentz in Philly has practice squad players and it isn't that much of an issue.

Wentz faced the 22nd, 27th, 30th (twice) and worst scoring defense in five of the last six games.

Wanted to find 3rd down % but was unable. That is a good one and I think he was probably better on that then some other stats.

Rodgers only had a 54.4% completion percentage on throws on third down this season.

Adams's presence probably makes him the first talented option in any QB's pecking order simply by default.

With Adams being by far the best receiver on the roster it's a good thing Rodgers is looking his way first.

 

[AmishMafia]

I stand by the old saying. Believe none of what you hear and half of what you think you see.

There's the problem! The half of his throws which are off target you don't think actually happened!

 

[BrokenArrow]

With Adams being by far the best receiver on the roster it's a good thing Rodgers is looking his way first.

First, sure. But exclusively? No. And he has large stretches where he does just that.

 

[danicafreak]

I think its funny that the mr smarty-pants Rodgers does the "discount double check" stuff. Seems not to dovetail with his intelligence and deep view on life.

 

[UpNort]

Yes, Rodgers has been off on a lot of throws, but how the heck can he have only 4 INTs?? (Although that's twice as many as last year )

Winston has eighty more pass attempts, but 30 picks.

 

[longtimefan]

The throw aways should definitely be considered when evaluating Rodgers completion percentage. The number significantly increased over the past two season though.



MVS could have caught that ball though, getting both hands on it.



Wentz faced the 22nd, 27th, 30th (twice) and worst scoring defense in five of the last six games.



Rodgers only had a 54.4% completion percentage on throws on third down this season.



With Adams being by far the best receiver on the roster it's a good thing Rodgers is looking his way first.

And the Detroit defense...who was playing for them?

Points for.Tied for 2 most given up? Yards 4th most? why didn't you include Detroit stats?

Again..it's okay rodgers is having issues. I want him as the qb

And it's okay to say he needs to play better.

My God some of you people act like the Brett lovers in 2006

 

[longtimefan]

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The throw aways should definitely be considered when evaluating Rodgers completion percentage. The number significantly increased over the past two season though.



MVS could have caught that ball though, getting both hands on it.



Wentz faced the 22nd, 27th, 30th (twice) and worst scoring defense in five of the last six games.



Rodgers only had a 54.4% completion percentage on throws on third down this season.



With Adams being by far the best receiver on the roster it's a good thing Rodgers is looking his way first.

I call bs with a capital B

It wasn't just a tad off...it was a full body off

Rodgers needed to throw that better..

It's a bs excuse to say..wr sucks..

This is a wide open guy he has practiced with for 2 years?

Rodgers needs to throw it better..no excuse

He was so oooo wide open.
Jezzus

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[Pugger]

Never said he was the worst. I literally said he is average which the stats support. I highly doubt anyone here would call him the worst. Not sure anyone would even describe him as bad.

The majority of posters here put a large burden of blame on the WRs. I think that is unfair. I think most of the blame should be put on Rodgers. I am trying to right a wrong. Many here feel AR is above criticism because of his past performance. To me it is clear he is not playing very well. At least to his normal level. New system or not. Comfort or not. When a WR is running a seam, fly, screen to the flat route and you miss him by 5 yds, that isn't anyone's fault but the QB.

As far as drafting his replacement being laughable, many were upset when Rodgers was picked when we had Favre. I think that worked out well. If for some reason a very good QB would be there at our pick, we would be foolish to pass on him.

You don't have to take this to a personal level. If you want to discuss it, fine. I can assure you I have no personal animosity towards AR. Still think he was thee best QB in Packer history. His lightning release was the best all time. With a strong arm and incredible accuracy, that combo was extremely difficult to defend against. Plus, the way he handled the Favre situation was totally classy, and I greatly admire him for it.

His decline in accuracy should be obvious, if you were honest. His release isn't as quick. His arm just isn't as lively. I think he knows it and that is why he doesn't even try making throws he used to. And this is strange, because he looked pretty sharp in practice this summer. He was hitting all our WRs frequently for receptions. Not many dropped passes.

I think the blame should be at the feet of both AR and the WR corps. Outside of Adams we really don't have a receiving group that will cause DCs to lose sleep over. 17 is really good at getting open, which is remarkable seeing most defenses are gonna make it a priority to stop him. He got almost 1000 yards this year and he missed 4 games. It wouldn't hurt to get another veteran WR opposite him in 2020.

 

[longtimefan]

I think the blame should be at the feet of both AR and the WR corps. Outside of Adams we really don't have a receiving group that will cause DCs to lose sleep over. 17 is really good at getting open, which is remarkable seeing most defenses are gonna make it a priority to stop him. He got almost 1000 yards this year and he missed 4 games. It wouldn't hurt to get another veteran WR opposite him in 2020.

Of course it wouldn't hurt..

But when a wr is so open the qb needs to hit him

 

[Pugger]

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I call bs with a capital B

It wasn't just a tad off...it was a full body off

Rodgers needed to throw that better..

It's a bs excuse to say..wr sucks..

This is a wide open guy he has practiced with for 2 years?

Rodgers needs to throw it better..no excuse

He was so oooo wide open.
Jezzus

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This almost looks like Rodgers threw it too late. Otherwise it was right where MVS's hands would have been. Is Rodgers not processing this offense fast enough yet?

 

[gopkrs]

This almost looks like Rodgers threw it too late. Otherwise it was right where MVS's hands would have been. Is Rodgers not processing this offense fast enough yet?

To me it looks like a simple matter of not hitting the open receiver in this case (and in others). He just is not leading the receiver. He's just missing them. I mean, if a receiver is running over the middle and obviously not stopping; you have to lead him correctly. ARod has done it his whole career and I see no reason that he should not start doing it again in two weeks. He made some bad throws in the flat too. It is not a question of the receiver should have caught the ball. The ball should be where it is supposed to be. A relatively easy (backyard) throw.

 

[longtimefan]

To me it looks like a simple matter of not hitting the open receiver in this case (and in others). He just is not leading the receiver. He's just missing them. I mean, if a receiver is running over the middle and obviously not stopping; you have to lead him correctly. ARod has done it his whole career and I see no reason that he should not start doing it again in two weeks. He made some bad throws in the flat too. It is not a question of the receiver should have caught the ball. The ball should be where it is supposed to be. A relatively easy (backyard) throw.

Bingo!

 

[Do7]

Bingo!

I've noticed you've been criticizing Rodgers as of late in regards to his throws and yes while his throws could be better placed, let's not pretend that all of those balls were uncatchable and that Rodgers needs to be perfect with every throw. I know that's not what you're saying but still. I say this because while I wasn't here when you guys discussed the Monday Night game against The Vikings, I did notice you criticized Rodgers on that throw to Adams. While that wasn't the best placed ball, Adams should've caught that. That was right in his hands and if Adams is one of the top receivers that we believe him to be, he catches that.

I do agree Rodgers could work on his accuracy. But remember we are judging him from such a high standard that he set.

 

[Mondio]

is that the play MLF said MVS was supposed to run up the field? on one hand, you can say, yeah he should just hit the open receiver going across the field, but at the same time, when a receiver breaks, and he's supposed to go up, not across, does the QB wait to see which way he's going and then throw? or if it's timing and on the break he throws to where the route is supposed to be run to execute the offense? In this league, waiting often means you're late.

While it looks like a miss, MLF's comments lead me to believe there is more to the story and what we see as fans isn't always what is actually going on.

 

[Mondio]

I've noticed you've been criticizing Rodgers as of late in regards to his throws and yes while his throws could be better placed, let's not pretend those balls are uncatchable and Rodgers needs to be perfect with every throw. I say this because while I wasn't here when you guys discussed the Monday Night game against The Vikings, I did notice you criticized Rodgers on that throw to Adams. While that wasn't the best placed ball, Adams should've caught that. That was right in his hands and if Adams is one of the top receivers that we believe him to be, he catches that.

Not to mention, MVS has been hit perfectly in stride with some absolute strikes this season and he dropped those too.

 

[Do7]

Not to mention, MVS has been hit perfectly in stride with some absolute strikes this season and he dropped those too.

MVS disappointed me greatly. I was expecting huge things from him this year. Idk what happened. At least he's better than Allison.

 

[Mondio]

MVS disappointed me greatly. I was expecting huge things from him this year. Idk what happened. At least he's better than Allison.

I don't know that I'd agree with that. For all Allison's knocks, he does seem to come up with a timely catch almost every week for this team. I know he bobbles a lot, drops some, fumbles some and I've taken that into consideration, he's not a stud. But he seems to make more plays. Maybe because he gets more opportunity. MVS seemed to disappear from the target list for a while this season.

 

[PackAttack12]

While it looks like a miss, MLF's comments lead me to believe there is more to the story and what we see as fans isn't always what is actually going on.

Right, but what the hell does the head coach know about it?

 

[Mondio]

Right, but what the hell does the head coach know about it?

well obviously nothing, Rodgers doesn't include him on decisions including the offense, personnel, scheme or play calls.

 

[Pokerbrat2000]

is that the play MLF said MVS was supposed to run up the field? on one hand, you can say, yeah he should just hit the open receiver going across the field, but at the same time, when a receiver breaks, and he's supposed to go up, not across, does the QB wait to see which way he's going and then throw? or if it's timing and on the break he throws to where the route is supposed to be run to execute the offense? In this league, waiting often means you're late.

While it looks like a miss, MLF's comments lead me to believe there is more to the story and what we see as fans isn't always what is actually going on.

I have been trying to say this exact thing for the last 20 hours. Sometimes, I get the impression that people think that Rodgers has the exact same overhead camera viewpoint that they have, while watching it replay 10 times before he has to throw the ball. If you have ever played football, you know that he doesn't. Why do you think receivers run routes? They run them so the QB has a good idea of where they should be as he might be scrambling for his life and its his job to check down as many of those receivers and routes and pick the one that he feels he can complete, all this done in a matter of seconds, with a very limited field of vision from field level, through lots of bodies. How does Mahomes complete a "no look pass"? Because he knows where his receiver is suppose to be, so he can literally close his eyes and throw to that spot on the field.

Further, if all the routes are well covered and Rodgers can extend his scramble time, its time for the receivers to scramble as well. This is where Rodgers and some of his top receivers have excelled together, knowing what the other guy was going to do. I don't see that this year as much. If a receiver doesn't run the initial route that he is suppose to or break out of that route in a way familiar to Rodgers, he hasn't had a lot of luck hitting them.

Has Rodgers missed throws he should have made? Yes. But I don't think his misses are as clear cut all his fault as some fans and the media are wanting to make them.