The Aaron Rodgers performance thread

[gbgary]

You see how much the QBs are making now. You would on here moaning how overpaid Rodgers got as chances are he would be in the 40+ million range, and probably the first 200 million QB. So tell me, would you have prefered that to what he has gotten now? And let me also remind you Rodgers was 4-1 prior to him going down and chances are we would've made a serious run at the title that year had he not gotten cheapshot by Barr. So again I ask you did you foresee him getting hurt again?

no...and i don't understand the point of your question. the Packers saw him get the collar bone but extended him afterward anyway. had they waited a year they'd have seen him get hurt last year. do you think they'd offer him a crazy contract after two injury plagued years?

 

[Do7]

no...and i don't understand the point of your question. the Packers saw him get the collar bone but extended him afterward anyway. had they waited a year they'd have seen him get hurt last year. do you think they'd offer him a crazy contract after two injury plagued years?

So you're telling me, that they wouldn't offer Rodgers a contact in the 30 million range when you factor:
1. That is typically the market for QBs, so imagine paying for an elite QB like Rodgers
2. You would have to forsee that Rodgers would be get hurt again, which you would not at the time. Need I remind you he was 4-1 before going down, and we've seen Rodgers play lights out the following year after injuring his collarbone the first time.
3. Rodgers still put up good numbers compared to other QBs, it's by HIS STANDARDS he dipped.

So you are actually convinced that had we waited Rodgers wouldn't have gotten an even bigger contract, considering how guys like Cousins, Gerapollo, and potentially Prescott would receive more doing considerably less. Gimme a break dude. If it were up to you, you would've let Rodgers walk.

 

[Sunshinepacker]

dak is an average qb and isn't worth 30 let alone 36. there are probably 15 qb's better than him right now. he should get cam newton type money ($20-25) and nothing more. trade zeke to a dreg, draft one of the best qb's coming out, extend jaylon smith, trade dak next year for another 1st or a 2nd (someone will over-value him). extend vander esch later etc.

Negotiations are about leverage. Your scenarios continue to assume that the Cowboys have somehow figured out the way to successfully identity which players in the draft are going to be the good ones. That's not realistic. Even the best drafting teams can't reliably say, "we're for sure gonna get a good starting QB out of the draft".

 

[Deleted member 6794]

Right, but you are looking at what Brady is willing to play for and then trying to compare that to the other QB's/teams in the league. My point, TB is an exception to what most NFL players demand, the most money they can possibly get. There aren't 32 QB's in the league with his mentality, probably not even another one. So bringing him up to compare his skills/pay with any other QB really isn't looking at the big more realistic picture. Had the Packers told Aaron Rodgers that they wanted him to play for TB like money, he probably would have walked when his contract was done.

Please, why don't we stop talking about Brady taking less money??? If the Patriots wouldn't have added two void years to the "extension" he signed two weeks ago he would count a total of $35 million towards their cap in 2019. They will have to account for that at some, in the meantime he's not under contract for next season.

 

[gbgary]

So you're telling me, that they wouldn't offer Rodgers a contact in the 30 million range when you factor:
1. That is typically the market for QBs, so imagine paying for an elite QB like Rodgers
2. You would have to forsee that Rodgers would be get hurt again, which you would not at the time. Need I remind you he was 4-1 before going down, and we've seen Rodgers play lights out the following year after injuring his collarbone the first time.
3. Rodgers still put up good numbers compared to other QBs, it's by HIS STANDARDS he dipped.

So you are actually convinced that had we waited Rodgers wouldn't have gotten an even bigger contract, considering how guys like Cousins, Gerapollo, and potentially Prescott would receive more doing considerably less. Gimme a break dude. If it were up to you, you would've let Rodgers walk.

30 used to be the cap for elites qb's. 30 is now the base since the Packers/rodgers broke the sanity bubble. there are 13 startering qb's in the 20's (inclucing brady). as i said foles just signed for $22. if the cowboys pulverize the base by paying an average+ qb like prescott 30+ all bets are off. it's going to get totally ridiculous. as for rodgers had they waited maybe both parties would have rethought things (30m) and perhaps the qb's that have signed since the rodgers deal wouldn't have gotten what they did. it was the rodgers deal set all this craziness in motion.

 

[gbgary]

Negotiations are about leverage. Your scenarios continue to assume that the Cowboys have somehow figured out the way to successfully identity which players in the draft are going to be the good ones. That's not realistic. Even the best drafting teams can't reliably say, "we're for sure gonna get a good starting QB out of the draft".

well...they can always blow their cap situation to smithereens and start dismantling their team next year.

 

[Do7]

30 used to be the cap for elites qb's. 30 is now the base since the Packers/rodgers broke the sanity bubble. there are 2 dozen qb's in the 20's (inclucing brady). as i said foles just signed for $22. if the cowboys pulverize the base by paying an average+ qb like prescott 30+ all bets are off. it's going to get totally ridiculous. as for rodgers had they waited maybe both parties would have rethought things (30m) and perhaps the qb's that have signed since the rodgers deal wouldn't have gotten what they did. it was the rodgers deal set all this craziness in motion.

Did you seriously use Nick Foles to make an argument? A freaking backup? DONE!

Plus again pinning this on Rodgers with his deal as if he was the catalyst for the QBs prices is beyond ignorant. Now you're just reaching straws dude.

 

[Deleted member 6794]

30 used to be the cap for elites qb's. 30 is now the base since the Packers/rodgers broke the sanity bubble. there are 2 dozen qb's in the 20's (inclucing brady).

Once again, Brady is on a one-year deal costing the Patriots $35 million.

 

[PackAttack12]

no...and i don't understand the point of your question. the Packers saw him get the collar bone but extended him afterward anyway. had they waited a year they'd have seen him get hurt last year. do you think they'd offer him a crazy contract after two injury plagued years?

So the Packers were supposed to be able to foresee Rodgers getting hurt in 2018????

You're a hindsight champion.

 

[Mondio]

You're a hindsight champion.

I've always considered myself a bit of assman as well. But most who meet me just think i'm an ******* and I don't think they're the same.

 

[gbgary]

Did you seriously use Nick Foles to make an argument? A freaking backup? DONE!

Plus again pinning this on Rodgers with his deal as if he was the catalyst for the QBs prices is beyond ignorant. Now you're just reaching straws dude.

you said 30 was the going rate for starters. it's not. foles is a starter and just signed a new contract for 22. 30 is where it starts for elites...unless dallas f**ksup. and yes...the rodgers deal was the first to go over 30...and they did it by a whopping 10+%. now ben and russel are above him. wentz, who's done nothing, is right behind him.

 

[gbgary]

So the Packers were supposed to be able to foresee Rodgers getting hurt in 2018????

You're a hindsight champion.

no but they had a year in their pocket to see how he was going to be after the collar bone. they chose to reup him anyway...2 years early. geesh!

 

[PackAttack12]

no but they had a year in their pocket to see how he was going to be after the collar bone. they chose to reup him anyway...2 years early. geesh!

And had they of waited, Rodgers was going to cost EVEN MORE. What do you not get about this??? The cap is going to continue to go up, and quarterbacks are going to progressively demand more as that happens.

You're going to be thanking your lucky stars that Rodgers signed for 33.5 million a year when Mahomes signs a 5 yr/200 million. You really think Rodgers would take a deal significantly less than that?

Rodgers deal is going to look like a bargain sooner rather than later. His cap hit is only in the 26 million range this year, and his hits go up after that (as the cap goes up). People are losing their minds over the Rodgers contract when, in reality, he could have stuck it to the Packers way harder than he did.

 

[rmontro]

People are losing their minds over the Rodgers contract when, in reality, he could have stuck it to the Packers way harder than he did.

Rodgers contract was about right for the time that he signed it. Next year it's going to start to be more of a problem probably. But there's nothing to be done about it, he's going to command a lot of money, and we need Rodgers to win.

Unless you're one of those guys who advocate trading him off and making a go of it without his salary burden (not you literally, PackAttack12). But considering the team hasn't even been able to build a decent defense or special teams unit after eight years of trying, I'd rather take my chances with Rodgers. I'm mainly worried about him staying healthy.

 

[gbgary]

And had they of waited, Rodgers was going to cost EVEN MORE. What do you not get about this??? The cap is going to continue to go up, and quarterbacks are going to progressively demand more as that happens.

You're going to be thanking your lucky stars that Rodgers signed for 33.5 million a year when Mahomes signs a 5 yr/200 million. You really think Rodgers would take a deal significantly less than that?

Rodgers deal is going to look like a bargain sooner rather than later. His cap hit is only in the 26 million range this year, and his hits go up after that (as the cap goes up). People are losing their minds over the Rodgers contract when, in reality, he could have stuck it to the Packers way harder than he did.

after two injury plagued seasons? you don't know that...but maybe considering how the Packers rolled over for him.
thankful isn't quite the word but sure, now...after you see what's happened since. he's still too high a percentage of the cap.
so you admit he stuck it to them. yup...and during his signing presser he insinuated he did them a favor by only signing for 33.5m per (which turned my stomach at the time, but that takes us into another alley i don't have the energy for lol).

 

[PackAttack12]

after two injury plagued seasons? you don't know that...but maybe considering how the Packers rolled over for him.
thankful isn't quite the word but sure, now...after you see what's happened since. he's still too high a percentage of the cap.
so you admit he stuck it to them. yup...and during his signing presser he insinuated he did them a favor by only signing for 33.5m per (which turned my stomach at the time, but that takes us into another alley i don't have the energy for lol).

You’re still being stubborn and failing to acknowledge that the Packers DID NOT KNOW AT THE TIME THAT RODGERS WOULD GET HURT PRIOR TO 2018. So what if the Packers and Rodgers didn’t come to an agreement prior to the start of the 2018 season and he balled out and had another 40+ touchdown season. Then you’re looking at paying him even more one year later with the cap number having gone up. You can’t look at the end result and say “SEE!!!! SEE!!!!” It’s easy to babble the way that you do with the benefit of hindsight, but that’s not the way things work in reality.

Additionally, I could argue that Rodgers getting hurt actually helped his case because it magnified the glaring weaknesses with the Packers. Him being out proved that the Packers were an absolute dumpster fire without him. The Packers knew they had to sign him, and it worked out for both parties. Rodgers got the financial security that he wanted, and the Packers got it done to wear they could lock him in and plan for the future. It’s to the Packers benefit to know what the cap numbers are going to be moving forward. And the cap is going to continue to go up. The deal Rodgers signed in 2013 every one thought oh **** what is he doing he’s crippling the Packers. And what happened? The deal ended up being an absolute bargain.

This deal is more team friendly then you are willing to realize. And Rodgers deserves every last penny of his money.

My wording was poor on sticking it to the Packers. The deal he signed for wasn’t sticking it to them. If it was, the Packers could have continued to franchise him, or trade him, or whatever. The Packers were clearly good with the deal otherwise they wouldn’t have agreed to a deal so soon.

I’m sorry that Rodgers doesn’t have a wife that has a net worth that’s nearly double what his is. Like the laughably absurd example you used with Brady. If Brady wasn’t married to her, you cannot tell me he would have kept taking those discounts. Just wouldn’t have happened.

 

[Do7]

You’re still being stubborn and failing to acknowledge that the Packers DID NOT KNOW AT THE TIME THAT RODGERS WOULD GET HURT PRIOR TO 2018. So what if the Packers and Rodgers didn’t come to an agreement prior to the start of the 2018 season and he balled out and had another 40+ touchdown season. Then you’re looking at paying him even more one year later with the cap number having gone up. You can’t look at the end result and say “SEE!!!! SEE!!!!” It’s easy to babble the way that you do with the benefit of hindsight, but that’s not the way things work in reality.

Additionally, I could argue that Rodgers getting hurt actually helped his case because it magnified the glaring weaknesses with the Packers. Him being out proved that the Packers were an absolute dumpster fire without him. The Packers knew they had to sign him, and it worked out for both parties. Rodgers got the financial security that he wanted, and the Packers got it done to wear they could lock him in and plan for the future. It’s to the Packers benefit to know what the cap numbers are going to be moving forward. And the cap is going to continue to go up. The deal Rodgers signed in 2013 every one thought oh **** what is he doing he’s crippling the Packers. And what happened? The deal ended up being an absolute bargain.

This deal is more team friendly then you are willing to realize. And Rodgers deserves every last penny of his money.

My wording was poor on sticking it to the Packers. The deal he signed for wasn’t sticking it to them. If it was, the Packers could have continued to franchise him, or trade him, or whatever. The Packers were clearly good with the deal otherwise they wouldn’t have agreed to a deal so soon.

I’m sorry that Rodgers doesn’t have a wife that has a net worth that’s nearly double what his is. Like the laughably absurd example you used with Brady. If Brady wasn’t married to her, you cannot tell me he would have kept taking those discounts. Just wouldn’t have happened.

I share your sentiments dude, but it's like you said. It was better that we got Rodgers to a deal now otherwise chances are he would've likely been the first 200 million dollar QB making around 40+ million and putting us in even deeper cap space.

 

[PackAttack12]

I share your sentiments dude, but it's like you said. It was better that we got Rodgers to a deal now otherwise chances are he would've likely been the first 200 million dollar QB making around 40+ million and putting us in even deeper cap space.

I can promise when Mahomes gets his massive extension, AR’s deal will look like peanuts.

 

[Do7]

I can promise when Mahomes gets his massive extension, AR’s deal will look like peanuts.

And that's what I was trying to explain. It's like everyone sees that but him for some reason.

 

[gbgary]

You’re still being stubborn and failing to acknowledge that the Packers DID NOT KNOW AT THE TIME THAT RODGERS WOULD GET HURT PRIOR TO 2018. So what if the Packers and Rodgers didn’t come to an agreement prior to the start of the 2018 season and he balled out and had another 40+ touchdown season. Then you’re looking at paying him even more one year later with the cap number having gone up. You can’t look at the end result and say “SEE!!!! SEE!!!!” It’s easy to babble the way that you do with the benefit of hindsight, but that’s not the way things work in reality.

of course they couldn't know. but as i said had they waited and done it with one year left, instead of two, they would have witnessed it...and i said at the time they should wait and see how he plays and several people here agreed.

Additionally, I could argue that Rodgers getting hurt actually helped his case because it magnified the glaring weaknesses with the Packers. Him being out proved that the Packers were an absolute dumpster fire without him. The Packers knew they had to sign him, and it worked out for both parties. Rodgers got the financial security that he wanted, and the Packers got it done to wear they could lock him in and plan for the future. It’s to the Packers benefit to know what the cap numbers are going to be moving forward. And the cap is going to continue to go up. The deal Rodgers signed in 2013 every one thought oh **** what is he doing he’s crippling the Packers. And what happened? The deal ended up being an absolute bargain.

his cap hit % then was too high then also. yes the team was terrible which let to the overhaul.

This deal is more team friendly then you are willing to realize. And Rodgers deserves every last penny of his money.

nope. % is too high.

I’m sorry that Rodgers doesn’t have a wife that has a net worth that’s nearly double what his is. Like the laughably absurd example you used with Brady. If Brady wasn’t married to her, you cannot tell me he would have kept taking those discounts. Just wouldn’t have happened.

brady's wife's worth has nothing to do with his salary. his awareness that they can't put a winning team around him without cap space does. his 2019 salary is 23 with a cap hit of 21.5.

let's agree to disagree and move on...until something else related happens and i can't help myself. lol

 

[Deleted member 6794]

thankful isn't quite the word but sure, now...after you see what's happened since. he's still too high a percentage of the cap.

Rodgers is above a percentage of the cap you have deemed to be too high for some random reason. Nobody agrees with you on that.

It’s to the Packers benefit to know what the cap numbers are going to be moving forward. And the cap is going to continue to go up.

If Brady wasn’t married to her, you cannot tell me he would have kept taking those discounts. Just wouldn’t have happened.

With the CBA expiring after the 2020 season teams currently don't know the cap will continue to raise.

Brady taking significantly less money is a myth.

brady's wife's worth has nothing to do with his salary. his awareness that they can't put a winning team around him without cap space does. his 2019 salary is 23 with a cap hit of 21.5.

While Brady's counts $21.5 million against the cap in 2019 you have to consider the two voided years in the contract as well which results in his current one being a one-year, $35 million deal.

The Patriots have been smart about structuring Brady's contracts though, resulting in the wrong assumption that he has taken less money. The Packers should do it in a similar way with Rodgers getting up there in age as well.

 

[swhitset]

You’re still being stubborn and failing to acknowledge that the Packers DID NOT KNOW AT THE TIME THAT RODGERS WOULD GET HURT PRIOR TO 2018. So what if the Packers and Rodgers didn’t come to an agreement prior to the start of the 2018 season and he balled out and had another 40+ touchdown season. Then you’re looking at paying him even more one year later with the cap number having gone up. You can’t look at the end result and say “SEE!!!! SEE!!!!” It’s easy to babble the way that you do with the benefit of hindsight, but that’s not the way things work in reality.

Additionally, I could argue that Rodgers getting hurt actually helped his case because it magnified the glaring weaknesses with the Packers. Him being out proved that the Packers were an absolute dumpster fire without him. The Packers knew they had to sign him, and it worked out for both parties. Rodgers got the financial security that he wanted, and the Packers got it done to wear they could lock him in and plan for the future. It’s to the Packers benefit to know what the cap numbers are going to be moving forward. And the cap is going to continue to go up. The deal Rodgers signed in 2013 every one thought oh **** what is he doing he’s crippling the Packers. And what happened? The deal ended up being an absolute bargain.

This deal is more team friendly then you are willing to realize. And Rodgers deserves every last penny of his money.

My wording was poor on sticking it to the Packers. The deal he signed for wasn’t sticking it to them. If it was, the Packers could have continued to franchise him, or trade him, or whatever. The Packers were clearly good with the deal otherwise they wouldn’t have agreed to a deal so soon.

I’m sorry that Rodgers doesn’t have a wife that has a net worth that’s nearly double what his is. Like the laughably absurd example you used with Brady. If Brady wasn’t married to her, you cannot tell me he would have kept taking those discounts. Just wouldn’t have happened.

I was with you until the last paragraph. It never ceases to amaze me when people bring up Brady’s wife and her money. Brady makes plenty of his own regardless of how much she makes, and I would be very surprised if he cares one bit about how much she makes.

 

[Sunshinepacker]

Here's what it comes down to; if a QB really cares about winning then they will give up salary so that billionaires can keep more money and GM's can have an easier job. Yes, it is now the QBs responsibility to make the GM's job easier while running the offense, avoiding pass rushers, finding the open man, and throwing accurate passes. As soon as a QB refuses to give up their salary to make the GM's job easier, the team should immediately realize that the player is not looking out for the good of the team and should therefore move on in the steadfast belief that they can find an All-Pro QB in the draft immediately.

Said no rationale person ever.

 

[Mondio]

Just like all of us say, cut my wages so my co-worker or boss can have more. I don’t need a pay check this week so we can get a new fridge for the break room.

 

[PackAttack12]

I was with you until the last paragraph. It never ceases to amaze me when people bring up Brady’s wife and her money. Brady makes plenty of his own regardless of how much she makes, and I would be very surprised if he cares one bit about how much she makes.

If you don't think taking less money than you know you can get is made easier by having a wife that's got a net worth that's double yours, then you're delusional. Especially when that "double" is nearly half a billion.