The Aaron Rodgers performance thread

[gbgary]

That is due to McCarthy's inability to adapt, don't pin this on Rodgers. Everyone on here has said that in regards to McCarthy, and it's not like the two weren't able to coexist for the past 10 years.

i pin the rodgers part on rodgers. it was the last 4 seasons when he really went sideways. the front office and coaching have already answered for their part in the failure. rodgers has been given a chance to repair his legacy but he's given himself a short straw with the contract. we'll see how it goes.

 

[Do7]

i pin the rodgers part on rodgers. it was the last 4 seasons when he really went sideways. the front office and coaching have already answered for their part in the failure. rodgers has been given a chance to repair his legacy but he's given himself a short straw with the contract. we'll see how it goes.

Let's psychoanalyze those past 4 years shall we?

The previous two years Rodgers was riddled by injuries.

The year before that Rodgers took the team to the NFC Championship and they were demolished by The Falcons.

The year before that Rodgers pulled a miracle out of his *** with a depleted squad against Arizona, with that hail mary pass.

And you're telling me that Rodgers has been given chance to repair his legacy? How many times has this organization failed him? And he's done more than asked of him.

You're bordering Quientus territory Gary as you're really reaching with these claims.

 

[gbgary]

Let's psychoanalyze those past 4 years shall we?

The previous two years Rodgers was riddled by injuries.

The year before that Rodgers took the team to the NFC Championship and they were demolished by The Falcons.

The year before that Rodgers pulled a miracle out of his *** with a depleted squad against Arizona, with that hail mary pass.

And you're telling me that Rodgers has been given chance to repair his legacy? How many times has this organization failed him? And he's done more than asked of him.

You're bordering Quientus territory Gary as you're really reaching with these claims.

they failed him for several years in the talent acquisition dept. and i give him all credit for what he was able to do on the field of play. that doesn't mean he gets a pass for the undermining of mccarthy. his behavior in that regard is why he's being scrutinized now. and yes...he's got a chance to undo some of that. now others are in charge with their heads on the line if it fails. it's that pesky accountability thing. lol

 

[Do7]

they failed him for several years in the talent acquisition dept. and i give him all credit for what he was able to do on the field of play. that doesn't mean he gets a pass for the undermining of mccarthy. his behavior in that regard is why he's being scrutinized now. and yes...he's got a chance to undo some of that. now others are in charge with their heads on the line if it fails. it's that pesky accountability thing. lol

And as I and many others have mentioned, McCarthy has 1. Proven to be inept at adapting and 2. McCarthy even said he gives Rodgers permission to change plays if he sees something different. So I don't follow your point you're trying to make here. Rodgers job is to win football games, which he has lived up to his part of the deal until recently due to his injuries and whatnot. MLF has to EARN Rodgers and everyone's elses trust that he can lead them.

 

[rmontro]

When asked what he thought of Rodgers comments, MLF said "we don't talk anymore".
Perfect response.

Well, it's good to have a coach with a sense of humor, at least.

 

[Deleted member 6794]

i don't watch those idiots but you see...that's why i said it was totally avoidable.

Yet you were the one who mentioned it here to stir up controversy.

but. there's a power struggle happening whether some see it or not. for the good of the team, i hope MLF prevails.

Of course MLF and Rodgers will have to figure out a way to successfully work together but there's no reason to panic about it because of them not agreeing about joint practices with other teams.

we'll never know about MLF if rodgers doesn't...and we already know what it's like when rodgers decides he's out on a plan.

Rodgers has been quarterbacking one of the most successful offenses in NFL history, yet you want to make people believe the Packers have hardly scored any points over his career.

 

[Mondio]

People who work closely for decades often have very differing views on some pretty big things and yet they manage to find a way to be on the same page and get their jobs done. It's been that way forever, it's one of the reasons I don't click a tweeter link because it's one of the ways that encourages the masses daily to interject their opinion where it isn't needed or wanted and makes them feel powerful by it. Slowly they lose touch with what it means to be a decent and tolerable human being. Sensationalizing pieces like this do the same.

No longer do the stories try and bring fans closer to the player or the game they encourage them to have strong feelings and opinions about the inner workings of a man they'll likely never even have the opportunity to say "hello" to in person.

 

[gbgary]

Yet you were the one who mentioned it here to stir up controversy.

i brought it up to show that rodgers is feeding the narrative again.

Of course MLF and Rodgers will have to figure out a way to successfully work together but there's no reason to panic about it because of them not agreeing about joint practices with other teams.

panic?

Rodgers has been quarterbacking one of the most successful offenses in NFL history, yet you want to make people believe the Packers have hardly scored any points over his career.

*facepalm* of late the O has looked like crap and no one can say otherwise. talent drain, bad design, bad execution, and making it up as you go, made the o so good the organization decided to do a complete offensive reboot.

 

[HardRightEdge]

Stop watching these blowhards. Just quit. talk about football with people that want to talk about football. These guys don't even believe half the stuff they say, they just say it, to engage an audience. If they have you watching, they win. Give your eyeballs to someone who's actually breaking down football, or to something else entirely. I'm sure many would question my judgement, but I find most on here are to be more engaging and worthwhile than the paid for agitators.

Look on the bright side. All that chatter might put another chip on Rodgers' shoulder. He has a history of responding well to naysayers.

 

[rmontro]

Look on the bright side. All that chatter might put another chip on Rodgers' shoulder. He has a history of responding well to naysayers.

That's his history, but it hasn't helped much in the past couple of years.
And a lot of naysayers have come out of the woodwork these past few years.

 

[OldSchool101]

The problem of what? That’s kinda a generic accusation isn’t it??
I’ll state the obvious because I think we too often forget. Aaron Rodgers has been the best thing to happen to this team in arguably 25 years or possibly since the 60’s.
Just a few remarks...

• Without him, the chances of us winning a SB in 2010 would’ve been zilch. No way do we roll over 4 teams on the road as a 6th seed.
• The chances of us stringing together the many playoff appearances would’ve been inconceivable.
• The come from behind wins (like Chicago 2018) would’ve been minuscule.
• There is only 2-3 other QBs in the entire league that arguably measure up to his consistency of performance since his first start.
• He has carried this team on his shoulders with likely the fewest (or near fewest)offensive resources (FA or Draft) in the entire league going back over a decade. No other QB has been as or more successful (with similarly ranked Defensive units) since his first start.

Aaron IS this team and we’re deceiving ourselves if we forgot that. The day Rodgers stepped on the field was the day the Packers put other teams on notice and the day the NFL gained one of the greatest players in the sports entire history, if not one of the greatest in all sports. Nobody overlooks the Rodgers led Packers or thinks he makes us worse or they are just not in touch with reality. You have to judge the full body of work or you fall short of the truth.
I get it. It’s the human conspiracy theory, the grassy knoll. Its 100% human to repeatedly doubt even after watching him spank teams. But it’s just absurd.

Questions like this remind me of what it means when it was said 1,000s years ago. “No Prophet is accepted in his own country”. They’ll always be that group of naysayers regardless of the success or the good produced by an individual. Many are the people who find fault at every turn, even in the midst of greatness they ruin it in spite of themselves.

 

[HardRightEdge]

That's his history, but it hasn't helped much in the past couple of years.
And a lot of naysayers have come out of the woodwork these past few years.

Well, two years with a busted up shoulder and a busted up knee. Consider it a chip backlog.

 

[rmontro]

Well, two years with a busted up shoulder and a busted up knee. Consider it a chip backlog.

Let's hope so.

 

[rmontro]

Aaron IS this team and we’re deceiving ourselves if we forgot that. The day Rodgers stepped on the field was the day the Packers put other teams on notice and the day the NFL gained one of the greatest players in the sports entire history, if not one of the greatest in all sports.

Everything you say is true. However, if Rodgers is an all time talent (and I would say that he is):
That just makes it all the more frustrating that the Packers haven't been able to put the right talent around him to get them over the hump more often.

My guess is that there is something about Rodgers' personality that rubs some people the wrong way. However, I don't think this is any big deal. Not to the extent of costing us games or such. Clearly some people also like and respect him. The only reason is the media is pushing it so hard now is because the team has been losing. There's no story the media likes better than kicking fallen heroes when they're down.

 

[OldSchool101]

That just makes it all the more frustrating that the Packers haven't been able to put the right talent around him to get them over the hump more often.

Absolutely is frustrating. In hindsight I believe the FO saw a QB that could elevate the play of those around him on the Offensive side, as clearly seen by the immediate and marked statistical evidence of success. They took that obvious conclusion and used it as a catalyst to be determined to match that success on the Defensive side. After all, that part makes perfect sense and they had the concept exactly correct.. well rounded teams tend to be largely more successful.
But the FO consistently reached and missed in the draft and the DC regressed slightly each year and as the times changed, we didn’t adapt to them. We rode the Defensive struggles years past their prime while blinded by shallow playoff success that was almost exclusively the result of #12 and Co.
While many could argue that we were close to getting to the SB in several seasons (me included) I often wonder if we had no business making it as far as we did with an atrocious Defense in several seasons. 2011 is probably the best example of this on short notice.

My guess is that there is something about Rodgers' personality that rubs some people the wrong way.

I can see that. I think that’s a common part of the makeup of many successful athletes. The same elements of their personality that create a winning swagger are often the same that create personality conflicts.

 

[gbgary]

since the Packers, and rodgers, broke the nfl qb salary structure, it's gotten even crazier out there. now dak prescott supposedly wants $40m. lol

 

[Do7]

since the Packers, and rodgers, broke the nfl qb salary structure, it's gotten even crazier out there. now dak prescott supposedly wants $40m. lol

Implying that Rodgers broke the qb salary structure when other QBs were getting paid in that margin and has since got paid more than he has. Knock it off Gary.

 

[Deleted member 6794]

*facepalm* of late the O has looked like crap and no one can say otherwise. talent drain, bad design, bad execution, and making it up as you go, made the o so good the organization decided to do a complete offensive reboot.

You realize that Rodgers hasn't been healthy since week 5 of the 2017 season, don't you???

since the Packers, and rodgers, broke the nfl qb salary structure, it's gotten even crazier out there. now dak prescott supposedly wants $40m. lol

The Cowboys offering Prescott $40 million per season would be ridiculous. The Packers signing Rodgers to his current deal wasn't.

 

[Mondio]

The cowboys should definitely do that deal, yesterday already

 

[swhitset]

The cowboys should definitely do that deal, yesterday already

They should also give Elliott the same ... lol.

 

[Mondio]

They should also give Elliott the same ... lol.

one can only hope

 

[PackAttack12]

You realize that Rodgers hasn't been healthy since week 5 of the 2017 season, don't you???

When, oh by the way, Rodgers had the team off to a 4-1 start.

 

[gbgary]

Implying that Rodgers broke the qb salary structure when other QBs were getting paid in that margin and has since got paid more than he has. Knock it off Gary.

the Packers are just as guilty. at the time no one was getting over 30 i believe. they bumped it 10+%. to say they didn't break it just can't be argued...and it's been nuts since. rodgers is now what 3rd or 4th? yes the cap is going up but the qb's are eating that up at an alarming rate. the cowboys in particular are burying themselves in cap trouble which makes me laugh and i love seeing it...but objectively they need to trade zeke to a lowly team for a 1st, draft a qb next year, make dak play this year under his current deal and maybe the next with the franchise tag, and take trade offers for him in the meantime. they've set the market on o-line and d-line players recently and have other big names to extend now and in the very near future.

 

[Do7]

the Packers are just as guilty. at the time no one was getting over 28 i believe. they bumped it 10+%. to say they didn't break it just can't be argued...and it's been nuts since. rodgers is now what 3rd or 4th? yes the cap is going up but the qb's are eating that up at an alarming rate. the cowboys in particular are burying themselves in cap trouble which makes me laugh and i love seeing it...but objectively they need to trade zeke to a lowly team for a 1st, draft a qb next year, make dak play this year under his current deal and maybe the next with the franchise tag, and take trade offers for him in the meantime. they've set the market on o-line and d-line players recently and have other big names to extend now and in the very near future.

Only difference is Rodgers has earned that kind of contract due to the load he's been carrying over the years. It's not his fault that this is what the market demands for QB. Based on the market, and his performance he's earned that contract. On top of that my original point stands. He didn't break the qb salary structure when other QBs were getting paid in that margin. That is how much you are going to have to pay QBs now, especially good ones. That is the reality. If it was your decision you would've let Rodgers walk.

 

[Pokerbrat2000]

the Packers are just as guilty. at the time no one was getting over 28 i believe. they bumped it 10+%. to say they didn't break it just can't be argued...and it's been nuts since. rodgers is now what 3rd or 4th? yes the cap is going up but the qb's are eating that up at an alarming rate. the cowboys in particular are burying themselves in cap trouble which makes me laugh and i love seeing it...but objectively they need to trade zeke to a lowly team for a 1st, draft a qb next year, make dak play this year under his current deal and maybe the next with the franchise tag, and take trade offers for him in the meantime. they've set the market on o-line and d-line players recently and have other big names to extend now and in the very near future.

It is what it is. While I think it is crazy what these guys make, it is what the market will bear. I finally came to terms with it by not thinking of it as money, but just numbers in a spreadsheet that have to stay within the limits set.

In a few years Rodgers will probably be making less then quite a few other QB's and his deal might end up looking like a bargain. Had they reduced that number to say 28/year, in the grand scheme of things, it probably wouldn't have made much of a difference with the quality of the team, with what they could do with that extra 2, but it might have rubbed #12 the wrong way and THAT would have effected the team.