The Aaron Rodgers performance thread

[gbgary]

Only difference is Rodgers has earned that kind of contract due to the load he's been carrying over the years. It's not his fault that this is what the market demands for QB. Based on the market, and his performance he's earned that contract. On top of that my original point stands. He didn't break the qb salary structure when other QBs were getting paid in that margin. That is how much you are going to have to pay QBs now, especially good ones. That is the reality. If it was your decision you would've let Rodgers walk.

players, but especially QB's, should be paid on current performance. not on the past. if the past mattered brady would be at 40m. he and the patriots aren't that stupid.
i'm on record saying i'd have traded rodgers 2 years ago...to cle...and drafted mayfield. i still think that would have been the thing to do. i think the Packers future would be brighter than it is now.

 

[Do7]

players, but especially QB's, should be paid on current performance. not on the past. if the past mattered brady would be at 40m. he and the patriots aren't that stupid.

Except Tom doesn't' necessarily have to worry about income. The fact that you even tried to use Brady to make an argument is laughable. On top of that Rodgers has been hindered by injuries in which no one saw coming. And even then he's performing at a high level compared to other QBs in the league. It's just by his standards he's been off and that is due to injuries.

 

[gbgary]

Except Tom doesn't' necessarily have to worry about income. The fact that you even tried to use Brady to make an argument is laughable.

worry? what nfl starting QB worries about money? lol
what QB has more of a past to bank on and hold over some teams head than brady? he's the perfect example to use. the fact that you don't recognize that is what's laughable.

 

[Pokerbrat2000]

players, but especially QB's, should be paid on current performance. not on the past. if the past mattered brady would be at 40m. he and the patriots aren't that stupid.
i'm on record saying i'd have traded rodgers 2 years ago...to cle...and drafted mayfield. i still think that would have been the thing to do. i think the Packers future would be brighter than it is now.

Tom Brady seems to be the exception to the rule of "get whatever and as much as you can". Why is he is that way? Probably a lot of reasons. But you can't make decisions nor judge the decisions being made in the NFL off of one exception to what seems to be the norm. If you do, you are probably going to be staring at a team without a lot of talent, because you aren't willing to pay for it.

 

[gbgary]

Tom Brady seems to be the exception to the rule of "get whatever and as much as you can". Why he is that way? Probably a lot of reasons. But you can't make decisions nor judge the decisions being made in the NFL off of one exception to what seems to be the norm.

you can when the results are what they are. he doesn't have the strongest arm and has no legs (lol) but his self-awareness is what so many other QB's lack.

 

[Pokerbrat2000]

you can when the results are what they are. he doesn't have the strongest arm and has no legs (lol) but his self-awareness is what so many other QB's lack.

Right, but you are looking at what Brady is willing to play for and then trying to compare that to the other QB's/teams in the league. My point, TB is an exception to what most NFL players demand, the most money they can possibly get. There aren't 32 QB's in the league with his mentality, probably not even another one. So bringing him up to compare his skills/pay with any other QB really isn't looking at the big more realistic picture. Had the Packers told Aaron Rodgers that they wanted him to play for TB like money, he probably would have walked when his contract was done.

 

[gbgary]

Right, but you are looking at what Brady is willing to play for and then trying to compare that to the other QB's/teams in the league. My point, TB is an exception to what most NFL players demand, the most money they can possibly get. There aren't 32 QB's in the league with his mentality, probably not even another one. So bringing him up to compare his skills/pay with any other QB really isn't looking at the big more realistic picture. Had the Packers told Aaron Rodgers that they wanted him to play for TB like money, he probably would have walked when his contract was done.

we're getting off track here. do7 said rodgers should be paid on his past so that's when i brought up brady's past and how unrealistic that is to base someone's pay off of. past should only matter when handing out awards post-career. i'm not saying he didn't deserve a bump either. but if he were as self-aware as brady he and the Packers would have settled at something below $30m (guaranteeing more) and they'd both be in a better position now team-building wise. but whatever. QB pay is eating up too much of the cap % in today's nfl was my original point yesterday (the dak $40m comment).

 

[Do7]

we're getting off track here. do7 said rodgers should be paid on his past so that's when i brought up brady's past and how unrealistic that is to base someone's pay off of. past should only matter when handing out awards post-career. i'm not saying he didn't deserve a bump either. but if he were as self-aware as brady he and the Packers would have settled at something below $30m (guaranteeing more) and they'd both be in a better position now team-building wise. but whatever. QB pay is eating up too much of the cap % in today's nfl was my original point yesterday (the dak $40m comment).

Alright then, humor me. Did you forsee Rodgers suffering these injuries in these past couple years? You talk about how we shouldn't be looking at the past but the way I see it, you can only go by what he did previously along with the consistency he's been doing it which has gotten us into the postseason. So can you tell me with a straight face that you saw these injuries happening to him, which has hindered him. On top of that he still played at a high level compared to most QBs in the league. It's by HIS standards which are so high that he didn't reach.

 

[Pokerbrat2000]

we're getting off track here. do7 said rodgers should be paid on his past so that's when i brought up brady's past and how unrealistic that is to base someone's pay off of. past should only matter when handing out awards post-career. i'm not saying he didn't deserve a bump either. but if he were as self-aware as brady he and the Packers would have settled at something below $30m (guaranteeing more) and they'd both be in a better position now team-building wise. but whatever. QB pay is eating up too much of the cap % in today's nfl was my original point yesterday (the dak $40m comment).

I for one who would LOVE to see pay based on actual performance, you get paid based mainly on what you did, but it isn't happening. So the amount a player is "payed" or contracted to be paid, is something that more resembles what it is hoped he will earn, based on his past and projections for the future. That pay may have some guarantees in it. but also allows a team to pay those guarantees and get out at anytime.

I think where you differ from most here, you feel Rodgers won't be or isn't as good as his past, so the Packers should have leaned more towards paying him less, since you think his better days are behind him. You might be right, you might be wrong, nobody knows, but the Packers seemed to lean towards thinking he is still the best QB in the league.

 

[gbgary]

Alright then, humor me. Did you forsee Rodgers suffering these injuries in these past couple years? You talk about how we shouldn't be looking at the past but the way I see it, you can only go by what he did previously along with the consistency he's been doing it which has gotten us into the postseason. So can you tell me with a straight face that you saw these injuries happening to him, which has hindered him. On top of that he still played at a high level compared to most QBs in the league. It's by HIS standards which are so high that he didn't reach.

just a reminder...they paid him after the collarbone with 2 years left on his deal. maybe they should have waited a year. had they they'd have seen him last year and come up with something different this off-season.

 

[rmontro]

You realize that Rodgers hasn't been healthy since week 5 of the 2017 season, don't you???

That's not a very comforting thought, though.

 

[Pokerbrat2000]

just a reminder...they paid him after the collarbone with 2 years left on his deal. maybe they should have waited a year. had they they'd have seen him last year and come up with something different this off-season.

Might have cost them $40M/year had they waited.

 

[XPack]

An not quite healthy, not quite peak Rodgers threw for 4,400+ years last season.

He may not be the best QB in the league per last few seasons....but definitely one of the elite ones.

 

[Sunshinepacker]

the Packers are just as guilty. at the time no one was getting over 30 i believe. they bumped it 10+%. to say they didn't break it just can't be argued...and it's been nuts since. rodgers is now what 3rd or 4th? yes the cap is going up but the qb's are eating that up at an alarming rate. the cowboys in particular are burying themselves in cap trouble which makes me laugh and i love seeing it...but objectively they need to trade zeke to a lowly team for a 1st, draft a qb next year, make dak play this year under his current deal and maybe the next with the franchise tag, and take trade offers for him in the meantime. they've set the market on o-line and d-line players recently and have other big names to extend now and in the very near future.

See, you're thinking of managing a team like a fan that has a REALLY long timeline for success. You need to understand that teams aren't run by fans, they are run by employees and owners. The most certain route to job security in the NFL is to have a good QB on a team that can consistently get to 9-7 or 10-6 and make the playoffs pretty routinely. Signing Dak to $36m per year makes sense for the job security of the coach and GM. Salary negotiations are more about leverage than ability in sports; and Dak has a LOT of leverage since he provides a very rare service in the NFL.

Trading Dak and Zeke is taking an ENORMOUS step back for the team and coaches and GMs don't have the job security to do that. Plus, implicit in what you're advocating is assuming that the RB you get in the draft is going to be able to handle the load that they ask of Zeke (pretty unreasonable) and that they will automatically find a replacement for Dak (also unreasonable). By the time the team finds those replacements, the current coach and GM will most likely be out of a job and it will be their replacements who are benefiting from all the extra picks they acquired.

 

[Sunshinepacker]

players, but especially QB's, should be paid on current performance. not on the past. if the past mattered brady would be at 40m. he and the patriots aren't that stupid.
i'm on record saying i'd have traded rodgers 2 years ago...to cle...and drafted mayfield. i still think that would have been the thing to do. i think the Packers future would be brighter than it is now.

As GM you might have done that but you would have been fired before you could draft Mayfield. Trading a great QB and then proceeding to have the worst record in the NFL doesn't exactly scream "keep me around".

 

[Pokerbrat2000]

See, you're thinking of managing a team like a fan that has a REALLY long timeline for success. You need to understand that teams aren't run by fans, they are run by employees and owners. The most certain route to job security in the NFL is to have a good QB on a team that can consistently get to 9-7 or 10-6 and make the playoffs pretty routinely. Signing Dak to $36m per year makes sense for the job security of the coach and GM. Salary negotiations are more about leverage than ability in sports; and Dak has a LOT of leverage since he provides a very rare service in the NFL.

Trading Dak and Zeke is taking an ENORMOUS step back for the team and coaches and GMs don't have the job security to do that. Plus, implicit in what you're advocating is assuming that the RB you get in the draft is going to be able to handle the load that they ask of Zeke (pretty unreasonable) and that they will automatically find a replacement for Dak (also unreasonable). By the time the team finds those replacements, the current coach and GM will most likely be out of a job and it will be their replacements who are benefiting from all the extra picks they acquired.

While I generally agree with what you said, however, as it pertains to the Cowboys, their GM, Jerry Jones won't be firing himself anytime soon.

 

[OldSchool101]

In a few years Rodgers will probably be making less then quite a few other QB's and his deal might end up looking like a bargain. Had they reduced that number to say 28/year, in the grand scheme of things, it probably wouldn't have made much of a difference with the quality of the team, with what they could do with that extra 2, but it might have rubbed #12 the wrong way and THAT would have effected the team.

I’m not sure what you mean? Extra 2 what? His yearly is 33.5

We’ll just consider that extra 5,500,000 yearly his cost of living increase.

 

[Pokerbrat2000]

I’m not sure what you mean? Extra 2 what? His yearly is 33.5

We’ll just consider that extra 5,500,000 yearly his cost of living increase.

Yeah, I messed up, in my head I was thinking 30, not the 33 he is getting. But still not that much different, 5 million doesn't seem to buy you much each year in the NFL. Maybe a one year free agent who you hope resurrects his career or a up and coming 2nd contract guy who you got on the cheap.

 

[OldSchool101]

Yeah, I messed up, in my head I was thinking 30, not the 33 he is getting. But still not that much different, 5 million doesn't seem to buy you much each year in the NFL. Maybe a one year free agent who you hope resurrects his career or a up and coming 2nd contract guy who you got on the cheap.

No joke. Heck, Crosby makes more than that.! That wouldn’t even buy you a leg quarter of Khalil Mack

 

[Sunshinepacker]

While I generally agree with what you said, however, as it pertains to the Cowboys, their GM, Jerry Jones won't be firing himself anytime soon.

Yeah, but he's probably the most sensitive GM to public sentiment in the league. He gave up on two great coaches just because he wasn't getting enough credit.

 

[gbgary]

See, you're thinking of managing a team like a fan that has a REALLY long timeline for success. You need to understand that teams aren't run by fans, they are run by employees and owners. The most certain route to job security in the NFL is to have a good QB on a team that can consistently get to 9-7 or 10-6 and make the playoffs pretty routinely. Signing Dak to $36m per year makes sense for the job security of the coach and GM. Salary negotiations are more about leverage than ability in sports; and Dak has a LOT of leverage since he provides a very rare service in the NFL.

Trading Dak and Zeke is taking an ENORMOUS step back for the team and coaches and GMs don't have the job security to do that. Plus, implicit in what you're advocating is assuming that the RB you get in the draft is going to be able to handle the load that they ask of Zeke (pretty unreasonable) and that they will automatically find a replacement for Dak (also unreasonable). By the time the team finds those replacements, the current coach and GM will most likely be out of a job and it will be their replacements who are benefiting from all the extra picks they acquired.

dak is an average qb and isn't worth 30 let alone 36. there are probably 15 qb's better than him right now. he should get cam newton type money ($20-25) and nothing more. trade zeke to a dreg, draft one of the best qb's coming out, extend jaylon smith, trade dak next year for another 1st or a 2nd (someone will over-value him). extend vander esch later etc.

 

[gbgary]

Yeah, but he's probably the most sensitive GM to public sentiment in the league. He gave up on two great coaches just because he wasn't getting enough credit.

the son runs the team now. jerrah is a mouthpiece, a face.

 

[Pokerbrat2000]

dak is an average qb and isn't worth 30 let alone 36. there are probably 15 qb's better than him right now. he should get cam newton type money ($20-25) and nothing more. trade zeke to a dreg, draft one of the best qb's coming out, extend jaylon smith, trade dak next year for another 1st or a 2nd (someone will over-value him). extend vander esch later etc.

Prescott's contract is up at the end of this season, he will have no trade value, after that (unless resigned).

He may not be a great QB, but the Cowboys have reportedly offered him $30M/year, so your numbers are way off as to the actual market.

 

[Do7]

just a reminder...they paid him after the collarbone with 2 years left on his deal. maybe they should have waited a year. had they they'd have seen him last year and come up with something different this off-season.

You see how much the QBs are making now. You would on here moaning how overpaid Rodgers got as chances are he would be in the 40+ million range, and probably the first 200 million QB. So tell me, would you have prefered that to what he has gotten now? And let me also remind you Rodgers was 4-1 prior to him going down and chances are we would've made a serious run at the title that year had he not gotten cheapshot by Barr. So again I ask you did you foresee him getting hurt again?

 

[gbgary]

Prescott's contract is up at the end of this season, he will have no trade value, after that (unless resigned).

He may not be a great QB, but the Cowboys have reportedly offered him $30M/year, so your numbers are way off as to the actual market.

ok...i may be mistaken about his contract but market value for an average qb is just what i said it was...20-25. nick foles just signed for 22. the main one to trade is elliott as he really does have 2 years on his deal.