The Aaron Rodgers performance thread

[Stanger37]

Did anyone listen to Mercedes Lewis on Cowherd yesterday? any thoughts?

 

[Do7]

So many are committing the ultimate football sin...

Never ever bet against Aaron Rodgers.

I don't know how many times he has to quiet the doubters before they learn.

Unfortunately until Rodgers wins another SB, that won't keep them at bay. I still believe he has 3 or more title runs in him, but we HAVE to get there!

 

[gbgary]

Well to be fair he was coming off an injury, and imo I still think he was seeing phantoms and he wasn't 100% back mentally out of fear breaking his collarbone again.

i agree.

 

[Mondio]

Did anyone listen to Mercedes Lewis on Cowherd yesterday? any thoughts?

you couldn't pay me to listen, what did he say?

 

[Do7]

you couldn't pay me to listen, what did he say?

Actually what he said in regards to Rodgers wasn't bad. He acknowledges there was a bit of disfunction, but he did say Rodgers wasn't a bad teammate, and that he leads by example and whatnot.

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[Mondio]

So many are committing the ultimate football sin...

Never ever bet against Aaron Rodgers.

I don't know how many times he has to quiet the doubters before they learn.

I'm not betting against him

 

[Mondio]

Actually what he said in regards to Rodgers wasn't bad. He acknowledges there was a bit of disfunction, but he did say Rodgers wasn't a bad teammate, and that he leads by example and whatnot.

I meant the talking heads. I'd listen to Mercedes, seems like a good guy.

 

[Pokerbrat2000]

looks like pittsburg and ben...and look at the mess they're in.

While I am aware of some pretty bad non-football decisions reportedly made off the field and some football related comments made by Ben, I haven't heard that he is involved in coaching and personnel decisions, like some are proposing that AR should be.

 

[Stanger37]

I meant the talking heads. I'd listen to Mercedes, seems like a good guy.

Colin actually doesn't go too outrageous and admits he is ******* Aaron but he also agrees that Green Bay doesn't do much for Aaron with how much they are basically full on dependent of his success and take him for granted. It was a good listen and refreshing to hear a teammate be nice, lol.

 

[Do7]

Colin actually doesn't go too outrageous and admits he is ******* Aaron but he also agrees that Green Bay doesn't do much for Aaron with how much they are basically full on dependent of his success and take him for granted. It was a good listen and refreshing to hear a teammate be nice, lol.

The thing I've discovered with Cowherd is that depending on the guests he flip flops. He'd make a good politician tbh. At least with Skip and how hypocritical he is, he is consistent.

 

[gbgary]

While I am aware of some pretty bad non-football decisions reportedly made off the field and some football related comments made by Ben, I haven't heard that he is involved in coaching and personnel decisions, like some are proposing that AR should be.

not yet lol. ben hasn't fully realized his new-found power yet.

 

[rmontro]

Never ever bet against Aaron Rodgers.

Never bet against him to do what? They've only gone all the way with him once.

 

[PackAttack12]

Never bet against him to do what? They've only gone all the way with him once.

So narrow minded.

 

[rmontro]

So narrow minded.

That's an insult, not an answer.

 

[PackAttack12]

That's an insult, not an answer.

Didn't deserve an answer. It was a silly rebuttal. But since I'm bored, what the hell. Most efficient QB in history, better playoff #'s across the board in every statistical category than Tom Brady.

I guess when Rodgers learns how to catch his own passes and play defense he can win more Super Bowls.

 

[Stanger37]

Didn't deserve an answer. It was a silly rebuttal. But since I'm bored, what the hell. Most efficient QB in history, better playoff #'s across the board in every statistical category than Tom Brady.

I guess when Rodgers learns how to catch his own passes and play defense he can win more Super Bowls.

But to be fair, Brady has more than double the playoff games than Rodgers does. Brady has 3 games played in the playoffs 10 of the 16 years he has been in the playoffs so he is playing the best of the best teams left every year. Playing 3 games in the playoffs 10 times are more playoff appearances than Rodgers has at all. Rodgers has more 1 and done than Brady, and more times than not I'd imagine Rodgers is playing in the wild card round instead of first round bye so could say he is playing lesser opponents for his stats while Brady is playing better teams with better defenses. Not trying to be a Brady d*** rider more so that comparing their postseason stats is silly.

I don't disagree that the defense is a big reason and a few times he didn't even get the ball in OT to give the Packers a chance to win so you are spot on there. But football is a what have you done for me lately sport and what he gave the Packers last year is good enough reason for me to start to at least question him, not doubt.

 

[PackAttack12]

But to be fair, Brady has more than double the playoff games than Rodgers does. Brady has 3 games played in the playoffs 10 of the 16 years he has been in the playoffs so he is playing the best of the best teams left every year. Playing 3 games in the playoffs 10 times are more playoff appearances than Rodgers has at all. Rodgers has more 1 and done than Brady, and more times than not I'd imagine Rodgers is playing in the wild card round instead of first round bye so could say he is playing lesser opponents for his stats while Brady is playing better teams with better defenses. Not trying to be a Brady d*** rider more so that comparing their postseason stats is silly.

I don't disagree that the defense is a big reason and a few times he didn't even get the ball in OT to give the Packers a chance to win so you are spot on there. But football is a what have you done for me lately sport and what he gave the Packers last year is good enough reason for me to start to at least question him, not doubt.

Glancing over his game logs, you'll find that there's really no correlation with playing an early playoff game v.s. a AFC Championship game or Super Bowl. He's had some clunkers in the opening rounds as well.

Additionally, if we really want to get in depth with it, I could make the argument that Brady playing the vast majority of those games at home should help facilitate him having better numbers, as opposed to Rodgers playing a greater percentage of his on the road.

 

[Pokerbrat2000]

Glancing over his game logs, you'll find that there's really no correlation with playing an early playoff game v.s. a AFC Championship game or Super Bowl. He's had some clunkers in the opening rounds as well.

Additionally, if we really want to get in depth with it, I could make the argument that Brady playing the vast majority of those games at home should help facilitate him having better numbers, as opposed to Rodgers playing a greater percentage of his on the road.

That might be but I would also point to the fact that in the 7 playoff games that Rodgers has lost, his defenses have given up an average of 36 ppg. I don't care if you are at home or on the road, or have a statistically good game as a QB, that is tough to overcome.

 

[PackAttack12]

That might be but I would also point to the fact that in the 7 playoff games that Rodgers has lost, his defenses have given up an average of 36 ppg. I don't care if you are at home or on the road, or have a statistically good game as a QB, that is tough to overcome.

Absolutely. There's some kind of crazy stat that in 23 of 39 playoff games under Belichick, the defense has allowed zero points in the 4th quarter and on average give up less than three per game in the 4th quarter. That's just absurdly good, and it facilitates toward Brady being able to work his magic. Rodgers obviously has rarely had that luxury.

 

[XPack]

but at the end of the day one guy was THE head coach. those are his decisions to make. I know what the end brought for MM and the rest of the team, there seemed to be a disconnect growing. But for much of the time here, MM had his finger on the pulse of the team and what it needed. He wasn't perfect, but as last year should have taught us, just because Rodgers is your QB doesn't mean everything is hunky dory either. Coaching has a lot more to do with it than most fans think.

But as it stands, we don't even know that it was MM's decision to send him packing. from most accounts he indicated the year previous he wasn't renewing his contract as he wanted to move up to a coordinator position. But for the sake of this argument, I'll pretend that wasn't true and he had every intention of signing a new contract and remaining the QB coach but MM decided it was not in the best interest of the team for him to remain so. At the end of the day it was his decision and he apparently had enough info to make the decision or he would have asked Rodgers for his input.

But I would say a HC that can't make a decision about his staff on his own isn't much of a HC. And what would be gained? a heads up? what for? hey, we're not re-signing your friend. what does that do? Rodgers SHOULD have known and prepared to have a different coach as his apparently good friend did NOT have a contract for the next season. He should have known it was a very real possibility that his coach did NOT want to sign an extension and his current contract ran out that it was a probability that he was going to be elsewhere.

But even if, what good is a conversation before hand? there is literally nothing Rodgers could do or say other than, if he goes, I go. in which case, we signed the wrong guy. Everyone seems to want to include Rodgers because he's so important. How important is he when he has zero say or influence over the final decision? In that case you're not really looking for input, you're just hoping for approval and if you don't get that, then you've made a player think he has a say and then made the decision against his wishes anyway. That doesn't do much for relationships either.

Nobody is saying this is not MM's decision or that he should not have powers. All we are questioning whether the decision is for best of team or personal power play? There has been no reason to not renew nor was a better replacement available.

And if ever there was a turf-fight between MM and AR, then the GM should have the final say in how to resolve this. If you let MM make personnel decisions without justification and AR changes play calls simply as, then it just becomes a who can **** further battle and that is what I presume happened with the team.

 

[Pokerbrat2000]

Nobody is saying this is not MM's decision or that he should not have powers. All we are questioning whether the decision is for best of team or personal power play? There has been no reason to not renew nor was a better replacement available.

And if ever there was a turf-fight between MM and AR, then the GM should have the final say in how to resolve this. If you let MM make personnel decisions without justification and AR changes play calls simply as, then it just becomes a who can **** further battle and that is what I presume happened with the team.

I think due to the Packers falling from grace the last few years, the media and some fans are trying to play up some of the dynamics that probably had nothing to due with that tumble from being an elite team. I would also guess that if you had all of the details of why Van Pelt was not retained and why Jordy was cut, none of those reasons would include "to make our team worse" or "to put our best player in his place". Nobody has said "boo" about Edgar Bennett not being retained last year, would it only have been an issue if Rodgers was unhappy about it?

When you are winning, nobody really talks about the negatives or the things done wrong, but start loosing and everyone has their own conspiracy theories. Build a better team, including coaches around #12, get back to winning and most of the noise will go away.

 

[rmontro]

Didn't deserve an answer. It was a silly rebuttal. But since I'm bored, what the hell. Most efficient QB in history, better playoff #'s across the board in every statistical category than Tom Brady.

Wasn't really a rebuttal, it was a question. You said don't bet against Rodgers, I asked bet against him for what? I wouldn't bet against him having a good season, even last year's "bad" season was better than most QBs.

But bet against him to carry the team to a Super Bowl win? If you did, you'd be winning your bet more often than not. As you imply, little of this is Rodgers fault. The defense has stunk, and they haven't surrounded him with enough talent. My real point was, given that we have the most efficient QB in history, this team has underachieved since 2011.

 

[PackAttack12]

Wasn't really a rebuttal, it was a question. You said don't bet against Rodgers, I asked bet against him for what? I wouldn't bet against him having a good season, even last year's "bad" season was better than most QBs.

But bet against him to carry the team to a Super Bowl win? If you did, you'd be winning your bet more often than not. As you imply, little of this is Rodgers fault. The defense has stunk, and they haven't surrounded him with enough talent. My real point was, given that we have the most efficient QB in history, this team has underachieved since 2011.

R-E-L-A-X, run the table, etc. There's some on this forum that have already written his football obituary and are assuming that he's in decline. And all I'm saying for those people is doubt him at your own risk.

 

[XPack]

I think due to the Packers falling from grace the last few years, the media and some fans are trying to play up some of the dynamics that probably had nothing to due with that tumble from being an elite team.

Interesting! I've always presumed vice versa. The breakup in dynamics was the cause for us falling from grace was my take on the situation.

I would also guess that if you had all of the details of why Van Pelt was not retained and why Jordy was cut, none of those reasons would include "to make our team worse" or "to put our best player in his place". Nobody has said "boo" about Edgar Bennett not being retained last year, would it only have been an issue if Rodgers was unhappy about it?

For Jordy, it was an anticipated decision. Fans were discussing the possibility of Jordy being let go to nurture young talent. Not really a surprise. For Benett, it was his decision to not return to us. The offer was made. What's there to boo?

Like above, what can be the causes for Van Pelt? Absolutely none, which is why that decision is most controversial. And it was a good relationship? What was gained by cutting Van pelt? Nobody still knows.

 

[Mondio]

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Like above, what can be the causes for Van Pelt? Absolutely none, which is why that decision is most controversial. And it was a good relationship? What was gained by cutting Van pelt? Nobody still knows.

Van Pelt was not cut. He was not fired. and HE refused to sign an extension offered the prior year. He refused. He could have signed. He didn't. Why? and why is a coach that didn't want to sign an extension the prior year surprised when they let his contract run out and replaced someone that didn't want to commit to them just 1 season before?