The Aaron Rodgers performance thread

[Pokerbrat2000]

Yet another current teammate talking about Rodgers and what he provides the team.

https://packerswire.usatoday.com/20...nes-sees-aaron-rodgers-as-team-player-leader/

 

[Do7]

Yet another current teammate talking about Rodgers and what he provides the team.

https://packerswire.usatoday.com/20...nes-sees-aaron-rodgers-as-team-player-leader/

Too late! @XPack beat you to it!

 

[Mondio]

Yet another current teammate talking about Rodgers and what he provides the team.

https://packerswire.usatoday.com/20...nes-sees-aaron-rodgers-as-team-player-leader/

anyone notice the picture of Cobb and Rodgers? Nobody can tell me those guys didn't play for each other or that they realize the ride for them is probably over. At least together.

 

[XPack]

Too late! @XPack beat you to it!

Yeah. @Pokerbrat2000 I demand my share of 'copy' right money.

 

[Pokerbrat2000]

Too late! @XPack beat you to it!

Yeah. @Pokerbrat2000 I demand my share of 'copy' right money.

LOL.....noticed that after the fact, but hey, I at least added the supporting website for additional information.

 

[gbgary]

Oh so after one season, his leadership is brought into questionability? Let's see here.

Regarding his demeanor: Considering he was blindsided this year in both the loss of his QB coach, and losing his most trusted receiver in Jordy Nelson. then considering the load he has been carrying over the years, plus developing trust with the new receivers, factor in the fact he came back from a collarbone injury from last year...

Undermining McCarthy/Going Rogue: Dude we've all said McCarthy's play calling have been both stale and questionable. Rodgers may have changed the play a few times, but let's not act like it's a constant thing. From our knowledge, whenever Rodgers did change the team benefited from it. Plus the team has questioned McCarthy's play calling along with Rodgers.

Contract: Rodgers has earned that contract enough said.

Fixing his knee: Um what? Okay now you're just reaching. This is EXACTLY why people like myself accuse you of just not liking Rodgers. At this point just admit it.

i didn't say anything about his leadership. please read more carefully. the things i mentioned are the things the country are talking about regarding rodgers. i'm not making that up. it's on the net, green bay radio/tv and print, national radio/tv and print, etc, etc. there are huge questions surrounding rodgers this offseason. that's not made up either. his contract is great for him but not the team. that's fact too. as for his knee he himself said he chose not to have surgery. not that the doctors said it wasn't necessary. he chose a different tact this time in his rehab. that's not made up. it's fact. he actually said it. i love rodgers. he's greatness. he's funny, smart, an amazing quarterback. an all-timer. a hof'er. i root for him on every play. he's just made some decisions that make many wonder where his head's at.

 

[Curly Calhoun]

Perhaps we could all just wait and see how he performs this season?

Just a thought....

 

[gbgary]

Perhaps we could all just wait and see how he performs this season?

Just a thought....

i said as much in my post. only time will tell.

 

[Do7]

i didn't say anything about his leadership. please read more carefully. the things i mentioned are the things the country are talking about regarding rodgers. i'm not making that up. it's on the net, green bay radio/tv and print, national radio/tv and print, etc, etc. there are huge questions surrounding rodgers this offseason. that's not made up either. his contract is great for him but not the team. that's fact too. as for his knee he himself said he chose not to have surgery. not that the doctors said it wasn't necessary. he chose a different tact this time in his rehab. that's not made up. it's fact. he actually said it. i love rodgers. he's greatness. he's funny, smart, an amazing quarterback. an all-timer. a hof'er. i root for him on every play. he's just made some decisions that make many wonder where his head's at.

Alright fair enough in that regard. That was poor on my part I'll admit. I'm certainly not too proud to admit when I made a mistake. Anyways...

I never said that you were making this up now did I? I just hold a lot of stock in regards to the white noise as you are. I just find it comical that one mediocre season and now london bridge is falling down. And in regards to the these things regarding Rodgers, it's for the simple fact that we've been losing. As I mention before, winning cures everything. You honestly think all of this crap would be an issue if we were winning?

The contract is something he's earned. It's seriously getting old in regards to you griping about his contract when he's earned every penny that has been given to him. Considering he's came off an injury and got injured again at the beginning of the season, I'm willing to give him the benefit of the doubt. If Rodgers plays at his usual high level are you going to be griping and complaining?

And i'm guessing he chose not to have the surgery b/c he wanted to go out there and play with his teammates, as he feels he owes it to them as well as the organization that paid him all that money. So which one is it? You're complaining that he made that much money when he earned it, and now you're saying he should've had surgery. If he had opted in doing surgery I'm pretty confident people would've been questioning Rodgers toughness and dedication to the team. We praise Brett Favre for toughing it out, but now it's an issue with Rodgers? Gimme a break.

I agree that his play on the FIELD has been questionable at times, but all this other white noise in regards to him, I'm not gonna put too much stock into them all that much, and I'm willing to give him the benefit of the doubt.

But in regards to that leadership thing, you are right and you didn't say anything in regards to that. I made a mistake and misinterpret that and that fault falls on me. I apologize for that. Perhaps you don't have a disdain for Rodgers after all. Possibly...

 

[Deleted member 6794]

true. that's just the thing though...no one does...but very recent history has given us some clues that raise questions about it. his demeanor, undermining of macarthy, going rogue on the field, contract, not fixing the knee. all of those have been topics of discussion...everywhere.

I don't care about talking heads criticizing Rodgers for whatever reason though. It's ridiculous to question his decision not fixing the knee.

Regarding his demeanor: Considering he was blindsided this year in both the loss of his QB coach, and losing his most trusted receiver in Jordy Nelson.

I'm absolutely fine with the front office not approaching Rodgers about those decisions though. His job is to play football and not to make personnel decisions.

i didn't say anything about his leadership. please read more carefully. the things i mentioned are the things the country are talking about regarding rodgers. i'm not making that up. it's on the net, green bay radio/tv and print, national radio/tv and print, etc, etc. there are huge questions surrounding rodgers this offseason. that's not made up either. his contract is great for him but not the team. that's fact too. as for his knee he himself said he chose not to have surgery. not that the doctors said it wasn't necessary. he chose a different tact this time in his rehab. that's not made up. it's fact. he actually said it.

You need to stop putting that much stock into click bait media.

 

[Half Empty]

Perhaps we could all just wait and see how he performs this season?

Just a thought....

Sure. But, if the point is not to talk about things we can't know, let us know when you want the forum to start back up again.

 

[Do7]

I'm absolutely fine with the front office not approaching Rodgers about those decisions though. His job is to play football and not to make personnel decisions.

That may be but remember trust is a two way street. And considering what Rodgers means for the organization, I feel giving him a heads up would've better.

 

[Deleted member 6794]

That may be but remember trust is a two way street. And considering what Rodgers means for the organization, I feel giving him a heads up would've better.

Once again, while Rodgers might have liked to be informed in advance I don't see the need for the front office to query any personnel moves with him.

 

[Pokerbrat2000]

That may be but remember trust is a two way street. And considering what Rodgers means for the organization, I feel giving him a heads up would've better.

What purpose does that serve? Are you telling him first just to soften the blow or are you seeking his advice? If AR says "Hey, I don't like that idea", is that going to or should that change the decision makers minds?

Blurring the lines between those who make the decisions and those who don't, is a slippery slope and I hope the Packers don't cross it, even with the great Aaron Rodgers.

Rodgers isn't being paid to make personnel decisions, so this has nothing to do with trust. The Packers trust Rodgers to do what he is paid for and Rodgers needs to trust that the organization will do what is best for the team.

 

[XPack]

What purpose does that serve?

Because it may have a direct correlation to his performance? Break-up a successful dynamic between the coach and player....for what reason? Are we sure that the firing didn't have a negative impact on AR12 this year?

You are seriously underrating the impact of a coach by taking it for granted AR12 can play the same irrespective of whoever coaches him. Sports don't work that way.

It looks more and more likely that it was a power play by MM which ultimately backfired on himself and the team.

 

[Do7]

What purpose does that serve? Are you telling him first just to soften the blow or are you seeking his advice? If AR says "Hey, I don't like that idea", is that going to or should that change the decision makers minds?

Blurring the lines between those who make the decisions and those who don't, is a slippery slope and I hope the Packers don't cross it, even with the great Aaron Rodgers.

Rodgers isn't being paid to make personnel decisions, so this has nothing to do with trust. The Packers trust Rodgers to do what he is paid for and Rodgers needs to trust that the organization will do what is best for the team.

I would rather tell my QB so at least going into the season he'll be better prepared and whatnot that coming off as a total blindside.

I'm not saying to listen to him if he said not to do that, (but then again considering Rodgers asked for people in the past like Jared Cook which proves they should've listened to him) but at least he'll be better prepared for what he's going into this season.

Especially considering 1 is Rodgers most trusted targets, and the other was his QB coach whom he had a lot of trust and respect for.

 

[Deleted member 6794]

Because it may have a direct correlation to his performance? Break-up a successful dynamic between the coach and player....for what reason? Are we sure that the firing didn't have a negative impact on AR12 this year?

Just to be clear, Van Pelt wasn't fired but his expiring contract wasn't renewed. There were some rumors that he didn't want to stay in Green Bay as well.

 

[PackAttack12]

Once again, while Rodgers might have liked to be informed in advance I don't see the need for the front office to query any personnel moves with him.

What purpose does that serve? Are you telling him first just to soften the blow or are you seeking his advice? If AR says "Hey, I don't like that idea", is that going to or should that change the decision makers minds?

Blurring the lines between those who make the decisions and those who don't, is a slippery slope and I hope the Packers don't cross it, even with the great Aaron Rodgers.

Rodgers isn't being paid to make personnel decisions, so this has nothing to do with trust. The Packers trust Rodgers to do what he is paid for and Rodgers needs to trust that the organization will do what is best for the team.

I think the fact that Gutekunst and LaFleur essentially confirmed that Rodgers was consulted in the head coaching search, along with the fact that Rodgers reached out to LaFleur prior to the Packers offering him the head coaching position, suggests that the organization now feels that he does need to be involved and that his thoughts/opinion at least matters, if only slightly.

Like it or not, Rodgers is the single most important individual in the Packers organization. Should he get veto authority on personnel decisions? Of course not. But I see absolutely nothing wrong with at least giving him a heads up on certain critical moves. You know, like they did with the coaching search...

Nothing at all wrong with that.

 

[Deleted member 6794]

I would rather tell my QB so at least going into the season he'll be better prepared and whatnot that coming off as a total blindside.

I'm not saying to listen to him if he said not to do that, (but then again considering Rodgers asked for people in the past like Jared Cook which proves they should've listened to him) but at least he'll be better prepared for what he's going into this season.

Rodgers had several months to work with Cignetti before the start of the season. They should have been enough for him to be prepared.

 

[Pokerbrat2000]

Because it may have a direct correlation to his performance? Break-up a successful dynamic between the coach and player....for what reason? Are we sure that the firing didn't have a negative impact on AR12 this year?

You are seriously underrating the impact of a coach by taking it for granted AR12 can play the same irrespective of whoever coaches him. Sports don't work that way.

It looks more and more likely that it was a power play by MM which ultimately backfired on himself and the team.

So you are saying MM made the decision to not resign Jordy and MM strictly did it to undermine Rodgers? While I would guess that he (MM) might have been consulted, the final decision was made higher up and the decision had nothing to do with knocking AR down a notch.

Are you saying that Rodgers has earned a seat at the table when it comes to deciding who should and shouldn't be on the roster, because he knows what is best for him? Should Rodgers be asked to be in the draft war room now?

Aaron Rodgers is a player, not a coach, not a GM.

 

[Deleted member 6794]

I think the fact that Gutekunst and LaFleur essentially confirmed that Rodgers was consulted in the head coaching search, along with the fact that Rodgers reached out to LaFleur prior to the Packers offering him the head coaching position, suggests that the organization now feels that he does need to be involved and that his thoughts/opinion at least matters, if only slightly.

Like it or not, Rodgers is the single most important individual in the Packers organization. Should he get veto authority on personnel decisions? Of course not. But I see absolutely nothing wrong with at least giving him a heads up on certain critical moves. You know, like they did with the coaching search...

Nothing at all wrong with that.

What's the point of giving Rodgers a heads up if he doesn't have the authority to veto a hiring??? In addition I didn't get the impression Rodgers was involved in LaFleur being hired as the team's head coach by any means.

 

[PackAttack12]

What's the point of giving Rodgers a heads up if he doesn't have the authority to veto a hiring??? In addition I didn't get the impression Rodgers wasn't involved in LaFleur being hired as the team's head coach by any means.

Direct quotes from Gutekunst and LaFleur directly contradict that thought. Watch the presser where LaFleur was introduced as head coach. I didn't pull it out of thin air.

Murphy is the only one with veto power in the organization. Does that mean he needs to be a one man show??? You can consult with people in the organization and get their thoughts, give them a heads up without them having the authority to make a transaction.

 

[Mondio]

I think all this had much more to do with being injured and not playing on year, and then injured and continued to play the next. Continuing to play with very little experience with pass catchers and not practicing for half a season almost and then expecting chemistry to be there with 1 pass catcher with at least season of experience in the offense. AN offense heavily predicated on reads and experience with the QB. It wasn't a recipe for success and it showed.

Maybe he was miffed "his" QB coach wasn't given another contract or decided to move on. Somehow had our oline been Bak, Sitton, linsley, Lang Bulaga and pass catchers Jennings, Jones, Jordy, Cobb from in their prime, this wouldn't be a conversation topic right now. Knee injury or not.

 

[Do7]

Rodgers had several months to work with Cignetti before the start of the season. They should have been enough for him to be prepared.

That is completely different training in the offseason believing you'll still get to work with him as the season progresses, than finding out that you'll be parting ways afterwards.

 

[Deleted member 6794]

Direct quotes from Gutekunst and LaFleur directly contradict that thought. Watch the presser where LaFleur was introduced as head coach. I didn't pull it out of thin air.

Murphy is the only one with veto power in the organization. Does that mean he needs to be a one man show??? You can consult with people in the organization and get their thoughts, give them a heads up without them having the authority to make a transaction.

It was mentioned that Rodgers and LaFleur talked to each other on the phone before MLF was hired as the team's coach. There was rightfully not a single word about #12 being involved in the decision though.

That is completely different training in the offseason believing you'll still get to work with him as the season progresses, than finding out that you'll be parting ways afterwards.

I have no idea what you're talking about. Cignetti was hired in January of last year to be the team's quarterbacks coach.