The Aaron Rodgers performance thread

[Quientus]

There's many instances though where your ill feelings toward him prevent you from being objective in your criticisms. You go out of your way to criticize him.

He hasn't been given a top 10 defense in 9 years and has better overall playoff numbers for his career across the board than Tom Brady. But we're still going to nitpick him to pieces when for the most part he's done just about all that he can do for the Packers?

It's pretty humorous.

For the record though - he played a significant role in why the team wasn't more successful this year. First time I've felt that way about him. I'm objective enough to point that out.

Not really ... You among other hardly ever fault Rodgers - for anything (seems this season is the exception). I’m merely pointing out why (in my opinion) Rodgers shares (more) blame than some of you are unwilling to admit ... In the optics of some of you, its (pretty much) *always* something else that is the reason ... And part of why I disagree with (some of you) is the fact that your arguments was total opposite in Regards to Favre, when in fact as the years have gone by, their respective careers is going on a similar path ... minus the amounts of ints ... only in Rodgers case that would be throwaways (cheek in tongue )

Hell, even Rodgers have admitted that he understands now today, why Favre behaved like he (Favre) did years back ...

 

[rmontro]

Hell, even Rodgers have admitted that he understands now today, why Favre behaved like he (Favre) did years back ...

I like Rodgers, but he's not infallible. He has his flaws. I can admit that and still hope he returns to and surpasses his former greatness. I felt the same about Favre, he was only human too. I never disliked him, even when he went to the Vikings. People shouldn't put their heroes on too high a pedestal.

 

[Quientus]

I like Rodgers, but he's not infallible. He has his flaws. I can admit that and still hope he returns to and surpasses his former greatness. I felt the same about Favre, he was only human too. I never disliked him, even when he went to the Vikings. People shouldn't put their heroes on too high a pedestal.

Couldn't agree more.

I found an interesting article though: https://fivethirtyeight.com/features/did-the-packers-squander-aaron-rodgers/

Look at the "Elo rating" ...

 

[Pokerbrat2000]

For what it's worth.....an interview with Jeff Janis yesterday. Includes some of his thoughts on #12 and MM.

https://vocalkast.com/watch/60-ep-6...f692d8a3b4af5bcd862d8821ff95f6811b970b3e.html

 

[PackAttack12]

Not really ... You among other hardly ever fault Rodgers - for anything (seems this season is the exception). I’m merely pointing out why (in my opinion) Rodgers shares (more) blame than some of you are unwilling to admit ... In the optics of some of you, its (pretty much) *always* something else that is the reason ... And part of why I disagree with (some of you) is the fact that your arguments was total opposite in Regards to Favre, when in fact as the years have gone by, their respective careers is going on a similar path ... minus the amounts of ints ... only in Rodgers case that would be throwaways (cheek in tongue )

Hell, even Rodgers have admitted that he understands now today, why Favre behaved like he (Favre) did years back ...

All I am saying is once again...

- no top 10 scoring defense since 2010. Brady has never won a Super Bowl without the luxury of a top 10 scoring defense.

- highest passer rating in NFL history

- best TD to INT ratio in NFL history

- defense giving up an average of over 37 points per game in playoff losses during his tenure

- two times he drove the Packers into FG range for the game tying field goal, only to not receive the football in overtime because his defense couldn't get off of the field.

Green Bay's finishes in points per game in the Rodgers era:

2008 - 5th
2009 - 3rd
2010 - 10th
2011 - 1st
2012 - 5th
2013 - 8th (was on pace for 2nd prior to his injury)
2014 - 1st
2015 - 15th
2016 - 4th
2017 - 21st (was on pace for 5th prior to his injury)
2018 - 14th

The two outlier seasons are 2015 and 2018. If you've read any of my posts in the past you already know how I feel about the trash that Rodgers had to overcome in 2015. And again, admittedly, he wasn't very good by his standards in 2018.

Think about it though. Even in his WORST years, he's never lead an offense that finished in the bottom half of the league. Never.

So he's produced eight top-5 results, nine top-10 results. His defenses haven't produced a top-10 result in nine years. He's never had consistent tight end play. Almost never had a running game. Has had some good receiving groups, but never a Julio, Odell, AB, etc. And he's giving you the business year in and year out with no defense to speak of.

So tell me again just how much he should be criticized? Educate me, please.

 

[Quientus]

All I am saying is once again...

- no top 10 scoring defense since 2010. Brady has never won a Super Bowl without the luxury of a top 10 scoring defense.

- highest passer rating in NFL history

- best TD to INT ratio in NFL history

- defense giving up an average of over 37 points per game in playoff losses during his tenure

- two times he drove the Packers into FG range for the game tying field goal, only to not receive the football in overtime because his defense couldn't get off of the field.

Green Bay's finishes in points per game in the Rodgers era:

2008 - 5th
2009 - 3rd
2010 - 10th
2011 - 1st
2012 - 5th
2013 - 8th (was on pace for 2nd prior to his injury)
2014 - 1st
2015 - 15th
2016 - 4th
2017 - 21st (was on pace for 5th prior to his injury)
2018 - 14th

The two outlier seasons are 2015 and 2018. If you've read any of my posts in the past you already know how I feel about the trash that Rodgers had to overcome in 2015. And again, admittedly, he wasn't very good by his standards in 2018.

Think about it though. Even in his WORST years, he's never lead an offense that finished in the bottom half of the league. Never.

So he's produced eight top-5 results, nine top-10 results. His defenses haven't produced a top-10 result in nine years. He's never had consistent tight end play. Almost never had a running game. Has had some good receiving groups, but never a Julio, Odell, AB, etc. And he's giving you the business year in and year out with no defense to speak of.

So tell me again just how much he should be criticized? Educate me, please.

Let me understand this .... correctly ...

First you START out with "Brady has never won a Super Bowl without the luxury of a top 10 scoring defense." - Yet you list that Rodgers have never lead an offense that was in the bottom of the list ... stating (again) "that the trash that Rodgers had to overcome in 2015"
- Again ... pretty much saying that it "was all Rodgers doing" ....

Stats actually show that the Packers team during Rodgers time here, hasn't been as "atrocious" as some of you would like to paint the picture of ... Hell ... even in the Super Bowl season Rodgers wasn't performing that great in the latter half of the season ... and the Pack only "limped" into the play offs ... but got "hot" the right time .... (for once) ...

Stats and context ... you might want to add their win / loss record as well in the respective years ...

Again ... like I said ... You are so far up behind Rodgers behind, that you refuse to see anything that is a the tiniest slight on Rodgers ... Again faulting everything and everybody else ...

Is Rodgers the only one to blame ? Nope, but he has a very large part in what is wrong though ...

If you listen to the podcast with Janis ... Even though the pod-caster tries, Janis is just way too polite to say anything, even though it is clear that he (Janis) did pick up a thing or two that he (Janis) didn't agree with ... in regards to Rodgers and how Rodgers carries himself ...

 

[PackAttack12]

Let me understand this .... correctly ...

First you START out with "Brady has never won a Super Bowl without the luxury of a top 10 scoring defense." - Yet you list that Rodgers have never lead an offense that was in the bottom of the list ... stating (again) "that the trash that Rodgers had to overcome in 2015"
- Again ... pretty much saying that it "was all Rodgers doing" ....

Stats actually show that the Packers team during Rodgers time here, hasn't been as "atrocious" as some of you would like to paint the picture of ...

Hell ... even in the Super Bowl season Rodgers wasn't performing that great in the latter half of the season ... and the Pack only "limped" into the play offs ... but got "hot" the right time .... (for once) ...

Stats and context ... you might want to add their win / loss record as well in the respective years ...

Again ... like I said ... You are so far up behind Rodgers behind, that you refuse to see anything that is a the tiniest slight on Rodgers ... Again faulting everything and everybody else ...

Is Rodgers the only one to blame ? Nope, but he has a very large part in what is wrong though ...

If you listen to the podcast with Janis ... Even though the pod-caster tries, Janis is just way too polite to say anything, even though it is clear that he (Janis) did pick up a thing or two that he (Janis) didn't agree with ... in regards to Rodgers and how Rodgers carries himself ...

You're saying a whole bunch of nothing in this post. Nothing substantive, nothing that can be backed up with facts or statistics.

The claim though that Rodgers didn't play well in the latter stretch of the Super Bowl season is flatly wrong. Absolutely inaccurate. I don't know where you're coming up with that lie.

1st 9 games:
12 TDs to 9 INTs, 76.87 passer rating, 61.3% completions

Last 7 games:
16 TDs to 2 INTs, 112.38 passer rating, 71.3% completions

He actually performed WAY better in the latter stretch of the season than the 1st half where he actually performed quite poorly (see? I can criticize him).

You're saying he's big reason of what is wrong NOW. I agree with that. Not sure where you're confusing that. But for the VAST MAJORITY of his career, he's carried the Packers. You cannot dispute that.

 

[OldSchool101]

I believe there is absolutely some blame that Aaron Rodgers has to take. Sorry but he gets kudos when he does good he should also take part of the responsibility when his O performs poorly. Not only is Aaron the leader of this Offense he gets paid to win.
When you’re winning regularly you gain authority to complain or even eventually have it your way.
The pressure is on. Nobody can blame MM going forward. AR got what he wanted, that’s control of this program. That’s the positive side. If Aaron doesn’t get back to his winning ways all eyes are on him. He now will become the common denominator in any Offensive issue. Don’t believe me?
It’s already started, scroll up and reread this thread title very carefully folks. Eyes are all on Aaron Rodgers because he is out of excuses. He either performs or he’s going to take much worse heat and make this thread look like a joker.

The good thing is this. Anyone knows that Aaron Rodgers plays best when under improbable circumstances. He’s one of the few QBs in this league that plays better under pressure. The only thing left to do is give him a heavy dose of resources and surround him with more protection and weapons. We absolutely have the cap space and draft resources to make that happen.

 

[PackAttack12]

I believe there is absolutely some blame that Aaron Rodgers has to take. Sorry but he gets kudos when he does good he should also take part of the responsibility when his O performs poorly. Not only is Aaron the leader of this Offense he gets paid to win.
When you’re winning regularly you gain authority to complain or even eventually have it your way.
The pressure is on. Nobody can blame MM going forward. AR got what he wanted, that’s control of this program. That’s the positive side. If Aaron doesn’t get back to his winning ways all eyes are on him. He now will become the common denominator in any Offensive issue. Don’t believe me?
It’s already started, scroll up and reread this thread title very carefully folks. Eyes are all on Aaron Rodgers because he is out of excuses. He either performs or he’s going to take much worse heat and make this thread look like a joker.

The good thing is this. Anyone knows that Aaron Rodgers plays best when under improbable circumstances. He’s one of the few QBs in this league that plays better under pressure. The only thing left to do is give him a heavy dose of resources and surround him with more protection and weapons. We absolutely have the cap space and draft resources to make that happen.

What @Quientus fails to acknowledge is that I criticize Rodgers when it is warranted. I don't disagree with what you're saying about Rodgers when the offense performs poorly. Rodgers deserves a portion of the blame for the offense's shortcomings this season. No question.

 

[Pokerbrat2000]

for the VAST MAJORITY of his career, he's carried the Packers. You cannot dispute that.

This to me is part of the problem of how some are evaluating Aaron Rodgers. As well as a big part of the problem with the Packers. #12 is one player of 53.

IMO, its a pretty true statement. As a result, the Packers go as Rodgers goes. He plays, they most likely are in the game. He plays bad, they probably loose. He has a solid game, they win or are at least in it to the end.

So if the Packers lose and Rodgers doesn't have a solid game, some will immediately want to blame Rodgers for the loss. When in reality, the losses can be pinned on so many other things/players/coaches.

The Packers over reliance on one player, Aaron Rodgers and the fact that he can get injured or just have an off day for a variety of reasons, is the problem....IMO.

 

[PackAttack12]

This to me is part of the problem of how some are evaluating Aaron Rodgers. As well as a big part of the problem with the Packers. #12 is one player of 53.

IMO, its a pretty true statement. As a result, the Packers go as Rodgers go. He plays, they most likely are in the game. He plays bad, they probably loose. He has a solid game, they win or are at least in it to the end.

So if the Packers lose and Rodgers doesn't have a solid game, some will immediately want to blame Rodgers for the loss. When in reality, the losses can be pinned on so many other things/players/coaches.

The Packers over reliance on one player, Aaron Rodgers and the fact that he can be injured or just have an off day for a variety of reasons, is the problem....IMO.

Yep.

When he's not in the lineup, or if he's not playing up to his all time great standards, the Packers fold. No team should be that overly reliant on one player to play super human football.

Fortunately, I think a lot of this is in the process of being remedied.

 

[Pokerbrat2000]

Yep.

When he's not in the lineup, or if he's not playing up to his all time great standards, the Packers fold. No team should be that overly reliant on one player to play super human football.

Fortunately, I think a lot of this is in the process of being remedied.

I think this is some of the "complacency" that Mark Murphy eluded to. Having Rodgers at QB enabled TT, MM and others to over rely on AR. Something I think many of us knew, but didn't fully see until he missed most of 2017 and then played a good portion of 2018 on a bad knee.

We all knew how bad the defense was, but AR can effectively cover up some of the stink on offense on most occasions and on the days that he can't, you can really smell it.

 

[PackAttack12]

I think this is some of the "complacency" that Mark Murphy eluded to. Having Rodgers at QB enabled TT, MM and others to over rely on AR. Something I think many of us knew, but didn't fully see until he missed most of 2017 and then played a good portion of 2018 on a bad knee.

We all knew how bad the defense was, but AR can effectively cover up some of the stink on offense on most occasions and on the days that he can't, you can really smell it.

Hell the Patriots are 14-6 without Brady. The Steelers having a winning record without Big Ben. Two 1st ballot hall of fame quarterbacks. Yet when Rodgers misses time, it's amateur hour.

 

[Do7]

What @Quientus fails to acknowledge is that I criticize Rodgers when it is warranted. I don't disagree with what you're saying about Rodgers when the offense performs poorly. Rodgers deserves a portion of the blame for the offense's shortcomings this season. No question.

*Applauds* That's EXACTLY what I said. No one here is absolving Rodgers from anything. I'm glad to see other people share my sentiments regarding the matter as well as what Rodgers has had to deal with over the past years. Well spoken PackAttack12.

 

[Pokerbrat2000]

Hell the Patriots are 14-6 without Brady. The Steelers having a winning record without Big Ben. Two 1st ballot hall of fame quarterbacks. Yet when Rodgers misses time, it's amateur hour.

Agree and I would go one step further, it can still happen when he is on the field. Either if he has an off day and/or they run into a particularly good defense.

When was the last game the defense won it for us? Please, I hope nobody says "against Buffalo".

 

[Do7]

Agree and I would go one step further, it can still happen when he is on the field. Either if he has an off day and/or they run into a particularly good defense.

When was the last game the defense won it for us? Please, I hope nobody says "against Buffalo".

The last game I'd credit the defense would be the game against Atlanta this year, but that's not saying much. Though imo we SHOULD'VE won the game against Seattle. That game I put on Rodgers. The defense was playing fairly well that game, in spite of being short handed.

 

[rmontro]

When he's not in the lineup, or if he's not playing up to his all time great standards, the Packers fold. No team should be that overly reliant on one player to play super human football.

Fortunately, I think a lot of this is in the process of being remedied.

I sure hope so. They're trying, at least. Let's hope it's effective.

 

[GreenNGold_81]

*Applauds* That's EXACTLY what I said. No one here is absolving Rodgers from anything. I'm glad to see other people share my sentiments regarding the matter as well as what Rodgers has had to deal with over the past years. Well spoken PackAttack12.

We still had McCarthy at that time, I felt his playcalling was our issue that game... Punting on 4th and 1 with 4 minutes left... they run the ball down our throats and win after that.

 

[OldSchool101]

Hell the Patriots are 14-6 without Brady. The Steelers having a winning record without Big Ben. Two 1st ballot hall of fame quarterbacks. Yet when Rodgers misses time, it's amateur hour.

Yes, but also let’s give the NE Patriots credit on defensive side of the ball. As an Example in the 5 Brady led SB winning years NE’s AVERAGE ranked D is top #7 (this years is #10). If they win this year the average Patriots Defense in each of the 6 SBs is ranked #8.

Can anyone guess the last time the GBP had a top #8 or better Defense? How about top 10? GB hasn’t been able to put together a Defense that was worth a poop since 2014.. our average D ranking since 2010 is #18.5 That generally won’t beat a wild card team.

The only point I’m making is that NE has far and away been well rounded where GB has largely been an absolute cluster on the Defensive side.

 

[PackAttack12]

Yes, but also let’s give the NE Patriots credit on defensive side of the ball. As an Example in the 5 Brady led SB winning years NE’s AVERAGE ranked D is top #7 (this years is #10). If they win this year the average Patriots Defense in each of the 6 SBs is ranked #8.

Can anyone guess the last time the GBP had a top #8 or better Defense? How about top 10? GB hasn’t been able to put together a Defense that was worth a poop since 2014.. our average D ranking since 2010 is #18.5 That generally won’t beat a wild card team.

The only point I’m making is that NE has far and away been well rounded where GB has largely been an absolute cluster on the Defensive side.

Exactly.

Brady’s two most recent Super Bowl wins wouldn’t have been possible without his defense pitching a shut out in the 4th quarter. It’s the ultimate team game.

 

[I asked LT to delete my acct]

Exactly.

Brady’s two most recent Super Bowl wins wouldn’t have been possible without his defense pitching a shut out in the 4th quarter. It’s the ultimate team game.

exactly like ours

 

[PackAttack12]

exactly like ours

Unfortunately the Packers defense in Rodgers' tenure has only pitched a shut out in the 4th quarter 3 times in 16 games. The Packers won all three games. Go figure.

 

[I asked LT to delete my acct]

Unfortunately the Packers defense in Rodgers' tenure has only pitched a shut out in the 4th quarter 3 times in 16 games. The Packers won all three games. Go figure.

If Williams hadn't stopped that pass from big Ben in the 4th quarter, I believe the Steelers would have won the Superbowl. I always have believed it.

 

[PackAttack12]

If Williams hadn't stopped that pass from big Ben in the 4th quarter, I believe the Steelers would have won the Superbowl. I always have believed it.

Quite possibly so. I can't disagree with that. Not to mention the big pick-6 early in the game that had the Packers playing from ahead the whole game. All of that played a huge role.

My point though is that our defense hasn't shown enough of THAT consistently enough to win more playoff games. We need a defense that can get timely stops and make those kinds of plays more regularly.

 

[I asked LT to delete my acct]

Quite possibly so. I can't disagree with that. Not to mention the big pick-6 early in the game that had the Packers playing from ahead the whole game. All of that played a huge role.

My point though is that our defense hasn't shown enough of THAT consistently enough to win more playoff games. We need a defense that can get timely stops and make those kinds of plays more regularly.

And I would agree with you entirely on that point.