The Aaron Rodgers performance thread

[rmontro]

See, this is where Packer fans have been spoiled and are delusional is since we've had back to back HOF QB's people forget how hard it is to get one.

I don't think we've forgotten that at all. If anything, most Packer fans realize what an exceptional opportunity we've had, and feel like the administration has let that opportunity slip through its hands, by not surrounding that QB with the right talent. That's the source of most of the frustration.

People acted like the window would be open forever, but now that quarterback is getting older, he's getting beat up because his style of play hasn't kept his jersey clean (like Brady), and the time has come that he has to be paid. That window wasn't open as far as some thought. But I don't think anyone has taken the situation for granted, rather the opposite.

 

[Pokerbrat2000]

I don't think we've forgotten that at all. If anything, most Packer fans realize what an exceptional opportunity we've had, and feel like the administration has let that opportunity slip through its hands, by not surrounding that QB with the right talent. That's the source of most of the frustration.

People acted like the window would be open forever, but now that quarterback is getting older, he's getting beat up because his style of play hasn't kept his jersey clean (like Brady), and the time has come that he has to be paid. That window wasn't open as far as some thought. But I don't think anyone has taken the situation for granted, rather the opposite.

I think this is a big part of the "complacency" that Mark Murphy spoke of. TT hit on some great talent early in his GM career and than coasted on those players and his laurels. Coaches and fans felt that as long as #12 was behind center, Super Bowls were always within reach.

 

[brandon2348]

I don't think we've forgotten that at all. If anything, most Packer fans realize what an exceptional opportunity we've had, and feel like the administration has let that opportunity slip through its hands, by not surrounding that QB with the right talent. That's the source of most of the frustration.

People acted like the window would be open forever, but now that quarterback is getting older, he's getting beat up because his style of play hasn't kept his jersey clean (like Brady), and the time has come that he has to be paid. That window wasn't open as far as some thought. But I don't think anyone has taken the situation for granted, rather the opposite.

Well the name of this thread is called "Could Aaron Rodgers be the problem" and its crap. He has bailed us out over and over and over and your right. They haven't given him near enough to be successful.

This is on Ted Thompsn, Mark Murphy, Dom Capers and somewhat Mike McCarthy and if Gute doesn't get it right and avoid the same trap it will be on him too. Gute has a chance to right this ship so well see what he does.

 

[Sunshinepacker]

Disingenuous? Is this Ted Thompson posing as a forum member?
Just because we have largely failed in utilizing the draft recently does NOT set the precedent that the draft pick order no longer has no value because of it.
It isn’t some secret that the higher the overall pick, the higher the production (although the way it’s worked out for GB I can see how you would believe that) . If that was not the case there wouldn’t be a draft calculator.

I'm pretty sure you only quoted the part of my post that you read. Cause if you'd actually read the whole thing you'd see that drat position means nothing, in fact the Patriots have had better luck drafting oline late. So, please, feel free to read the rest, and you'll understand why I'm not buying the existence of a "draft calculator" as evidence that the Packers need to go oline early.

 

[Pokerbrat2000]

I'm pretty sure you only quoted the part of my post that you read. Cause if you'd actually read the whole thing you'd see that drat position means nothing, in fact the Patriots have had better luck drafting oline late. So, please, feel free to read the rest, and you'll understand why I'm not buying the existence of a "draft calculator" as evidence that the Packers need to go oline early.

While I somewhat agree with you that draft position may appear to not really matter. In that it only assures you of getting available players that you want, before the next team takes them. I would add that scouting, coaching and luck has a huge roll in what eventually happens with said player.

But thinking that a guy chosen in round 1 has an equal chance of succeeding as a guy chosen in round 7, isn't looking close enough at history.

 

[Wi. Mike now in Florida]

Just going and drafing another Pattrick Mahommes isnt quite that easy. Some teams even go generations trying to get a franchise QB.

I agree, and this is why I'm convinced that a lot of planning/playing/preparing in football is 50% LUCK.

 

[Pokerbrat2000]

I would have skipped the Pro Bowl to be in New Zealand with Danica as well.

https://www.instagram.com/p/BtEwH0Yng1A/
https://www.instagram.com/p/BtJZkD-HWsP/

 

[OldSchool101]

I'm pretty sure you only quoted the part of my post that you read. Cause if you'd actually read the whole thing you'd see that drat position means nothing, in fact the Patriots have had better luck drafting oline late. So, please, feel free to read the rest, and you'll understand why I'm not buying the existence of a "draft calculator" as evidence that the Packers need to go oline early.

I actually did read your whole post. My Quoting a portion of your entire post was so that it would simplify the portion I was referring to, not to give you the interpretation I didn’t care enough about your entire post or your position. At first I thought you were being sarcastic when you made a bold claim of saying that draft position has no bearing on the quality, longevity or success rates of NFL players.
Boy. People are really touchy in here about picking an Offensive player earlier in the draft. It’s like trying to convince a cult they are a cult. I bet get outa here before things go Jim Jones!

 

[rmontro]

People are really touchy in here about picking an Offensive player earlier in the draft.

I'm cool with picking an offensive player first round (we have two first rounders for a change, after all). I'm not sure I'd be happy about getting an offensive lineman there though. Isn't that position notoriously hard to pick?
*cough* Tony Mandarich *cough*

 

[Mondio]

I don’t think the issue is picking an offensive player. I think the bigger issue is that with all the talent at all the other positions it would be a bit silly to think we need 1st Roomd WRs so Aaron Rodgers can be effective.

With big holes on Oline, Dline, linebackers,safeties, why go high for something we’ve historically nailed in the 2nd and the league is absolutely full of 2nd round and later WRs excelling.

I just never found a huge talent disparity with WRs in round one compared to 2 or even 3.

And as Rodgers ages, it’s not his WRs that will keep us winning.

 

[Half Empty]

I'm cool with picking an offensive player first round (we have two first rounders for a change, after all). I'm not sure I'd be happy about getting an offensive lineman there though. Isn't that position notoriously hard to pick?
*cough* Tony Mandarich *cough*

Getting a little tired of Tony references. Couldn't we go with someone who was drafted after '89, who wasn't on 'roids before that was a real issue, and who wasn't pretty much a consensus "all-pro for the next decade" player? Someone else will have to line up OL draft position with ultimate performance, but I think Joe Thomas might be a good place to start.

 

[Pokerbrat2000]

Getting a little tired of Tony references. Couldn't we go with someone who was drafted after '89, who wasn't on 'roids before that was a real issue, and who wasn't pretty much a consensus "all-pro for the next decade" player? Someone else will have to line up OL draft position with ultimate performance, but I think Joe Thomas might be a good place to start.

How about saying, besides Brian Bulaga, the Packers haven't had a lot of success in the last 20+ years when it comes to using first and second round picks on the offensive line? Seems like they have had more success with mid to late round picks.

I would prefer seeing the Packers fix the RG position via Free Agency, ride out Bulaga at RT one more year and do what they did last year with the WR position, look for 2-3 solid prospects in the final 4 rounds.

I also think Lane Taylor is going to be just fine. He wasn't fully recovered from an off season ankle surgery until November and then had to try to play through a few other injuries.

As long as they can solidify that RG spot, I am more concerned about depth than the starters.

 

[Cheese Headed Monster]

The O-line def needs work. Someone made a point earlier, maybe in this thread, about do you maybe think Rodgers is always hurt because of his O-line? Its definitely something to consider. I mean getting hit as much as he does and the injuries that follow has to have correlation to the o-line in some way or another

 

[Pokerbrat2000]

The O-line def needs work. Someone made a point earlier, maybe in this thread, about do you maybe think Rodgers is always hurt because of his O-line? Its definitely something to consider. I mean getting hit as much as he does and the injuries that follow has to have correlation to the o-line in some way or another

Could some of Rodgers injuries, sacks and hits also be because of Rodgers style of play?

Rodgers collar bone in 2017 wasn't because the OL was bad. On the knee injury, you could point your fingers at Taylor, Linsley, McCray and Bulaga, all 4 of them just had a bad play at the same time.

No doubt the OL needs to be addressed, but I don't think it is in as dire straits as some think it is.

I am also hoping that the new coaching staff and offensive scheme will also help take advantage of the strengths of Rodgers and the OL.

 

[Cheese Headed Monster]

Could some of Rodgers injuries, sacks and hits also be because of Rodgers style of play?

Rodgers collar bone in 2017 wasn't because the OL was bad. On the knee injury, you could point your fingers at Taylor, Linsley, McCray and Bulaga, all 4 of them just had a bad play at the same time.

No doubt the OL needs to be addressed, but I don't think it is in as dire straits as some think it is.

I am also hoping that the new coaching staff and offensive scheme will also help take advantage of the strengths of Rodgers and the OL.

Yeah I personally am of the belief that it is more his style of play. But some on here dont wanna hear that. So I try to hear and understand their pov and that is one I hear. I believe it to be more his style of play tho. Just my opinion

 

[brandon2348]

Yes, the injuries have piled up on Aaron Rodgers with his attempt to play God for the Green Bay Packers.

People saw this coming yet the Packers did close to nothing to adjust to this.

 

[PackAttack12]

Yes, the injuries have piled up on Aaron Rodgers with his attempt to play God for the Green Bay Packers.

People saw this coming yet the Packers did close to nothing to adjust to this.

So true. Better late than never though.

Gonna be cool to see Rodgers be the only quarterback in NFL history to pull off a 3-peat in the Super Bowl era.

 

[Half Empty]

Pretty sure Starr's Packers were NFL champs three years running

 

[PackAttack12]

Pretty sure Starr's Packers were NFL champs three years running

I was clearly talking about Super Bowls. The fact that you think I'm not aware of the history of the Green Bay Packers is a bit amusing though.

 

[gbgary]

I was clearly talking about Super Bowls. The fact that you think I'm not aware of the history of the Green Bay Packers is a bit amusing though.

i'm sure he's aware that you're aware. it's a shot at the "super bowl era" phrase. we know you didn't invent it. the nfl did. i hate it also. it kills me that the nfl doesn't value it's history the way mlb, nhl, nba, do. there are no asterisks, catch-phrases, delineations, in their histories down-grading things.

 

[Pokerbrat2000]

Some day it will be known as "The Apple Bowl" or "The Netflix Bowl" and we can all say "remember all the Super Bowls that Favre and Rodgers didn't win?" and the youngsters will look at us and say "What's a Super Bowl?"

 

[gbgary]

Some day it will be known as "The Apple Bowl" or "The Netflix Bowl" and we can all say "remember all the Super Bowls that Favre and Rodgers didn't win?" and the youngsters will look at us and say "What's a Super Bowl?"

ha! what's an nfl championship?

 

[Pokerbrat2000]

I just noticed this on Danica Patricks Twitter feed. She and #12 are in New Zealand. I have to wonder if Aaron made the jump too? I can't imagine that an adrenaline junkie wouldn't!

https://www.instagram.com/p/BtMAJaVHsLt/

 

[OldSchool101]

Some day it will be known as "The Apple Bowl" or "The Netflix Bowl" and we can all say "remember all the Super Bowls that Favre and Rodgers didn't win?" and the youngsters will look at us and say "What's a Super Bowl?"

Yes. Heck there’s already a menu item: “Chicken Chipotle Bowl”. I think we should just use go ahead and make the switch now. It is entirely possible I’m just hungry also.

 

[Pokerbrat2000]

Yes. Heck there’s already a menu item: “Chicken Chipotle Bowl”. I think we should just use go ahead and make the switch now. It is entirely possible I’m just hungry also.

Well it will never be "The Chick-fil-A Bowl", unless they want to play it on a day other than Sunday.