The Aaron Rodgers performance thread

[Half Empty]

I was clearly talking about Super Bowls. The fact that you think I'm not aware of the history of the Green Bay Packers is a bit amusing though.

No fair editing 50 minutes after my post. Pre-edit, I don't think there was a reference to SB. However, onward.

 

[Sunshinepacker]

While I somewhat agree with you that draft position may appear to not really matter. In that it only assures you of getting available players that you want, before the next team takes them. I would add that scouting, coaching and luck has a huge roll in what eventually happens with said player.

But thinking that a guy chosen in round 1 has an equal chance of succeeding as a guy chosen in round 7, isn't looking close enough at history.

For most positions I would agree, but oline honestly seems like late round guys have just as much a shot as late round. Just look at the Packers' oline for another example. I'm basing this statement on little to no actual research, it is completely anecdotal.

 

[I asked LT to delete my acct]

I was clearly talking about Super Bowls. The fact that you think I'm not aware of the history of the Green Bay Packers is a bit amusing though.

Play nice now....lol

 

[Pokerbrat2000]

For most positions I would agree, but oline honestly seems like late round guys have just as much a shot as late round. Just look at the Packers' oline for another example. I'm basing this statement on little to no actual research, it is completely anecdotal.

I posted something earlier today about this and I agree with you, but kind of for a different reason. Personally, I don't think the OL is in as dire straits as some do. Packers need a new RG, and an eventual replacement for Bulaga. What they do semi lack is quality backups, but so do most teams. I would prefer seeing them do what they did with the WR position, use 2-3 picks in the last 4 rounds on the OL. Pick up a decent RG in Free Agency.

All that said, if the Packers truly believe a new RT is of extreme importance for 2019, Packer history aside, their odds of landing a good one, do most likely increase with the earlier in the draft that they pick a guy. Good Tackles come at a price via Free Agency, not sure I want to see that route.

 

[rmontro]

Some day it will be known as "The Apple Bowl" or "The Netflix Bowl" and we can all say "remember all the Super Bowls that Favre and Rodgers didn't win?" and the youngsters will look at us and say "What's a Super Bowl?"

At the rate things are going, it's liable to be called the Patriot Bowl.

 

[brandon2348]

So true. Better late than never though.

Gonna be cool to see Rodgers be the only quarterback in NFL history to pull off a 3-peat in the Super Bowl era.

With Aaron Rodgers it's possible. If Gute can change the approach it becomes very possible.

 

[Do7]

With Aaron Rodgers it's possible. If Gute can change the approach it becomes very possible.

Let's say hypothetically The Packers go on a tear and do a 3 peat, and Rodgers ends up beating Brady once or maybe twice in the SB. Would that make him the GOAT since he'd be 4-0, and beaten Tom, at least once in the big dance? Or would he need another at least 5? Right now Brady is the undisputed GOAT, but I still think Rodgers has an outside shot taking the mantle.

 

[Patriotplayer90]

With Aaron Rodgers it's possible. If Gute can change the approach it becomes very possible.

Seriously. The offense should have looked like KC's during Rodgers entire career. You don't even need a defense. Not that we had one, anyway.

 

[brandon2348]

Seriously. The offense should have looked like KC's during Rodgers entire career. You don't even need a defense. Not that we had one, anyway.

I couldn't agree more about the offense.

All we can hope for now is Gute changes the approach for a nice 4 year run.

 

[PackAttack12]

No fair editing 50 minutes after my post. Pre-edit, I don't think there was a reference to SB. However, onward.

Should have quoted my post and you would have your proof.

 

[brandon2348]

Let's say hypothetically The Packers go on a tear and do a 3 peat, and Rodgers ends up beating Brady once or maybe twice in the SB. Would that make him the GOAT since he'd be 4-0, and beaten Tom, at least once in the big dance? Or would he need another at least 5? Right now Brady is the undisputed GOAT, but I still think Rodgers has an outside shot taking the mantle.

I'm really not ready for all that. Right now we need Gute to make the right moves and get this roster where it needs to be.

 

[Do7]

I'm really not ready for all that. Right now we need Gute to make the right moves and get this roster where it needs to be.

That's fair. Only time will tell. Call it optimism but I have a good feeling about next year.

 

[rmontro]

That's fair. Only time will tell. Call it optimism but I have a good feeling about next year.

If Rodgers ends up 4-0 in Super Bowls, with a win over Brady, he'd definitely be back in the conversation for GOAT. But that's an awful lot of what ifs there. Hate to say it, but it sounds pretty unlikely.

I feel optimistic about next year too, but let's face it, the bar has been lowered. If we can get back on our winning ways and make the playoffs, we'll all be likely breathing a sigh of relief. With regard to LeFleur, it will probably depend partly on how the team looks too.

 

[XPack]

Not just us, the Bears and Vikings have come a long way too. Even with peak AR12 the division is a lot tougher now than 5 years before. There really ain't much leeway for below par performances anymore.

 

[rmontro]

Not just us, the Bears and Vikings have come a long way too. Even with peak AR12 the division is a lot tougher now than 5 years before.

When the division is good, it can make you better. If the NFC North is an elite division, maybe we'll end up sending someone to the Super Bowl (namely, us). The last time we won the Super Bowl we had to beat the Bears in the NFCCG.

So you can go that route, or you can take the Patriot route, where you roll over the rest of your weak division and get a bye.

 

[XPack]

Seriously. The offense should have looked like KC's during Rodgers entire career. You don't even need a defense. Not that we had one, anyway.

For a team that still hasn't won anything the KC love is astonishing.

Surely the Pats who have been consistently successful offer a better blueprint than a potentially unproven KC. It's more exciting to watch, but I think it's a one off. Trying to replicate that with AR would not be a good fit, imo.

Maybe Farve, but I really don't see AR12 gunslinginging like Mahomes. The INT rates would probably give AR a stroke.

 

[Do7]

Not just us, the Bears and Vikings have come a long way too. Even with peak AR12 the division is a lot tougher now than 5 years before. There really ain't much leeway for below par performances anymore.

The NFCN has always been relatively tough. Remember when Chicago had Urlacher, Peppers, Peanut, and those other guys? Or what about when Detroit had one of the best defenses in the league when Suh was around. Of course Minnesota has always been a thorn to our side as well. Also let's not forget the likes of when Chicago boosted their offense with the Twin Towers of Marshall and Jeffery. I'll even throw in Bennett as well. And of course who could forget the difficulties Megatron gave us? My point is that this division has given our teams challenges over the years, and we've found a way to win. It's true it definitely seems like our division foes have caught up to us and perhaps surpassed us. But I for one believe they'll be in for a rude awakening next year, and we'll reign supreme once again. They had better enjoy these past two years, b/c it's time we take our seat back!

 

[I asked LT to delete my acct]

Let's say hypothetically The Packers go on a tear and do a 3 peat, and Rodgers ends up beating Brady once or maybe twice in the SB. Would that make him the GOAT since he'd be 4-0, and beaten Tom, at least once in the big dance? Or would he need another at least 5? Right now Brady is the undisputed GOAT, but I still think Rodgers has an outside shot taking the mantle.

Put the bottle down and step away from the alcohol......

 

[ExpatPacker]

Put the bottle down and step away from the alcohol......

Seriously. I'll start thinking about it if the Packers manage to win even one SB in the coming years.

 

[Quientus]

Let's say hypothetically The Packers go on a tear and do a 3 peat, and Rodgers ends up beating Brady once or maybe twice in the SB. Would that make him the GOAT since he'd be 4-0, and beaten Tom, at least once in the big dance? Or would he need another at least 5? Right now Brady is the undisputed GOAT, but I still think Rodgers has an outside shot taking the mantle.

You Gotta start saying No, when your buddies offer you that White Powder or other smoke pipes ...



Seriously though ... the Packers doing a 3-Peat isn’t going to happen while Rodgers is still playing ...

 

[PackAttack12]

Let's say hypothetically The Packers go on a tear and do a 3 peat, and Rodgers ends up beating Brady once or maybe twice in the SB. Would that make him the GOAT since he'd be 4-0, and beaten Tom, at least once in the big dance? Or would he need another at least 5? Right now Brady is the undisputed GOAT, but I still think Rodgers has an outside shot taking the mantle.

For me, he would definitely be considered the GOAT.

If that were to happen, he'd have 4 Super Bowls, and very likely 4 Super Bowl MVPs, undefeated in the Super Bowl, and if he manages to hold on to his all time best TD to INT ratio and his all time best passer rating, he would most certainly go down as the GOAT.

Not to mention the piece about pulling off a 3 peat especially in the modern NFL with 32 teams and all of the parity across the league that makes it so difficult to contend year after year.

 

[Do7]

You Gotta start saying No, when your buddies offer you that White Powder or other smoke pipes ...



Seriously though ... the Packers doing a 3-Peat isn’t going to happen while Rodgers is still playing ...

We'll see about that. I accept that you just don't like Rodgers for whatever reasons, but I'm honestly starting to be convinced that you're hoping this team fails with him rather, and that you'd rather this team never win SB another ring so long as he's under center. I HOPE that isn't the case.

Put the bottle down and step away from the alcohol......

I'm strait edge actually. Alcohol has never touched my tongue. Though I'll accept crazy. Crazy's my middle name! (Not really)

 

[Quientus]

We'll see about that. I accept that you just don't like Rodgers for whatever reasons, but I'm honestly starting to be convinced that you're hoping this team fails with him rather, and that you'd rather this team never win SB another ring so long as he's under center. I HOPE that isn't the case.
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It’s not that I don’t like Rodgers perce, - I’m just not that enamoured (sp?) with him like some of you are ...

I’ve stated time and again that Rodgers, while being an incredible gifted and talented QB, still has a long Way to go, when it comes to being a Leader ...

I’m not wanting the Pack “to fail with him as QB” ... (do some searches on my posts, if that is what you think), Regardless, I am just not seeing it happen, which isn’t the same as wanting the Pack to FAIL ...

 

[Do7]

It’s not that I don’t like Rodgers perce, - I’m just not that enamoured (sp?) with him like some of you are ...

I’ve stated time and again that Rodgers, while being an incredible gifted and talented QB, still has a long Way to go, when it comes to being a Leader ...

I’m not wanting the Pack “to fail with him as QB” ... (do some searches on my posts, if that is what you think), Regardless, I am just not seeing it happen, which isn’t the same as wanting the Pack to FAIL ...

Dude you and I have been going back and forth in regards to Rodgers, I remember our conversations, hence why I said what I did. There's a reason why I joked and told Cheese Headed Monster that you're my arch-nemesis on here, considering how you and I battle back and forth.

As for Rodgers, I feel I'm objective when it comes to my criticism. I'm not one of those people where I feel he can do no wrong, and when I feel he's earned some of the criticism his way, I won't defend him, and have often criticized him. I think the guy gets a bad rep and much what is said about him is either overblown or simply not true, in regards to his personality as well as his leadership. For as many people that spoke negative about him, there are more people that spoke positive about him, but for some reason people want to focus on the what people said negatively regarding him, what's worse is that Rodgers. And I agree there are areas where Rodgers can improve as a leader, but that's everyone however. That doesn't however make him a bad leader. But we're getting off the subject.

I am relieved to hear that you don't necessarily dislike Arodg, as again I do some share your sentiments in regards to Arodg, but only in regards to his game on the field, as he could play better. I still believe he's capable of winning multiple rings. I know that sounds outrageous considering the season we had, but I'm more than confident he'll win at least 2 more when it's all said and done.

 

[PackAttack12]

It’s not that I don’t like Rodgers perce, - I’m just not that enamoured (sp?) with him like some of you are ...

I’ve stated time and again that Rodgers, while being an incredible gifted and talented QB, still has a long Way to go, when it comes to being a Leader ...

I’m not wanting the Pack “to fail with him as QB” ... (do some searches on my posts, if that is what you think), Regardless, I am just not seeing it happen, which isn’t the same as wanting the Pack to FAIL ...

There's many instances though where your ill feelings toward him prevent you from being objective in your criticisms. You go out of your way to criticize him.

He hasn't been given a top 10 defense in 9 years and has better overall playoff numbers for his career across the board than Tom Brady. But we're still going to nitpick him to pieces when for the most part he's done just about all that he can do for the Packers?

It's pretty humorous.

For the record though - he played a significant role in why the team wasn't more successful this year. First time I've felt that way about him. I'm objective enough to point that out.