The Aaron Rodgers performance thread

[GreenNGold_81]

We've had some bad luck defensively as well.

Losing Collins has been something we have yet to replace.

Raji not living up to expectations and retiring early.

Bishop getting injured - was supposed to fill gap at ILB following departure of Barnett.

Rollins and Randall having an abrupt decline in their play.

Casey Hayward performing poorly his contract year leading to him not being retained.

Hyde getting a big contract from Buffalo that nobody saw coming.

I'm sure most teams have similar issues, but we haven't been able to make up for the above losses. Especially Collins.

 

[rmontro]

We've had some bad luck defensively as well.

Losing Collins has been something we have yet to replace.

Raji not living up to expectations and retiring early.

If we're going to go through our list of defensive woes, I'm going to get depressed.
Do you think we could have hung on to Woodson a little longer?
And would it have made a difference?

 

[GreenNGold_81]

If we're going to go through our list of defensive woes, I'm going to get depressed.
Do you think we could have hung on to Woodson a little longer?
And would it have made a difference?

Nah, Woodson was certainly near his end when we let him go.

To add to the list... Shields and his concussions and eventual release was certainly depressing as well.

 

[Pokerbrat2000]

Nah, Woodson was certainly near his end when we let him go.

To add to the list... Shields and his concussions and eventual release was certainly depressing as well.

Might as well add.....not resigning Peppers, Resigning Perry, bad draft picks, etc. All these things are a mix of bad luck and poor evaluation. The bad luck will probably never go away, lets hope the player evaluations have changed.

 

[brandon2348]

Might as well add.....not resigning Peppers, Resigning Perry, bad draft picks, etc. All these things are a mix of bad luck and poor evaluation. The bad luck will probably never go away, lets hope the player evaluations have changed.

Other then drafting Kenny Clark, Jaire Alexander and getting Martinez in middle rounds they have completely failed from drafting, player acquisition, player development and coaching on defense.

On top of that the Packers have a huge identity crisis on defense. It will take someone special to turn it around.

 

[rmontro]

Nah, Woodson was certainly near his end when we let him go.

He had some good years in Oakland though, he could have helped us. How many years was our secondary a mess?

 

[Deleted member 6794]

We've had some bad luck defensively as well.

Losing Collins has been something we have yet to replace.

I'm sure most teams have similar issues, but we haven't been able to make up for the above losses. Especially Collins.

I'm sorry but it's not bad luck the Packers haven't been able to adequately replace Collins for nearly eight years.

 

[brandon2348]

The Seahawks lost Richard Sherman, Michael Bennett, Kam Chancellor, Cliff Averil in one offseason. They also lost Earl Thomas 4 games into the 2018 season. With all that they still allowed 3.3 points less a game then the Packers and they did it with mostly day 2-3 picks.

It's very clear the Packers struggles on defense have nothing to do with bad luck. The Packers have thoroughly proven they don't know what the hell there doing on the defensive side of the ball.

 

[GreenNGold_81]

I'm sorry but it's not bad luck the Packers haven't been able to adequately replace Collins for nearly eight years.

That was more in reference to Raji retiring and the nature of Collins career ending injury - neither of which could be predicted.

 

[rmontro]

It's very clear the Packers struggles on defense have nothing to do with bad luck. The Packers have thoroughly proven they don't know what the hell there doing on the defensive side of the ball.

We have a once in a lifetime opportunity with Aaron Rodgers as QB, and they can't even throw together an above average defense to take advantage of it with. Despite focusing multiple drafts on the defense to address it. And while I'm optimistic about Pettine, he hasn't proven himself yet.

The frustrations have mounted in GB over the past several years.

 

[brandon2348]

We have a once in a lifetime opportunity with Aaron Rodgers as QB, and they can't even throw together an above average defense to take advantage of it with. Despite focusing multiple drafts on the defense to address it. And while I'm optimistic about Pettine, he hasn't proven himself yet.

The frustrations have mounted in GB over the past several years.

That's what I've been trying to say is that we have lost time with all these bad choices and you can't get that back. It's gone. The frustration is real here and I live right in the middle of it. There is no guarantee Rodgers will even stay healthy to play until he is 40. Were heading to the 14th hole on the golf course.

My opinion is they should literally be asking Rodgers what he needs to make it work and go get it for him. It's our only chance.

 

[rmontro]

My opinion is they should literally be asking Rodgers what he needs to make it work and go get it for him.

If professional GMs, head coaches, defensive coordinators, etc. can't figure out how to make a defense work, how is Rodgers going to know? Same goes for special teams. I assume you're talking about the offense though, and I agree the offense needs more attention.

 

[Deleted member 6794]

That was more in reference to Raji retiring and the nature of Collins career ending injury - neither of which could be predicted.

Other teams have to deal with similar issues as well but are able to field a more competitive defense though.

 

[GreenNGold_81]

Other teams have to deal with similar issues as well but are able to field a more competitive defense though.

That's precisely why I wrote: "I'm sure most teams have similar issues, but we haven't been able to make up for the above losses. Especially Collins.".

Whether it be the combination of coaching staff, complacency, poor talent evaluation or whatever - we don't have things right on defense and we haven't for a long time. Switching TT out was a good first step. Capers stayed around for far too long as well. Pettine long term, who knows... The players seem to vouch for him for whatever that's worth.

 

[Deleted member 6794]

That's precisely why I wrote: "I'm sure most teams have similar issues, but we haven't been able to make up for the above losses. Especially Collins.".

You partly blamed bad luck for the Packers not being able to overcome those issues. That's what I disagree with.

 

[PackerDNA]

The Seahawks example is a good one. Lose 5 all pros pretty much overnight and still field a good defense? That's a heckuva job.

 

[Pokerbrat2000]

The Seahawks example is a good one. Lose 5 all pros pretty much overnight and still field a good defense? That's a heckuva job.

Yup, scouting, drafting, free agents, evaluating your own and coaching....while having a FHOF QB to mask the short comings, the Packers Achilles heal for too many years.

 

[Mondio]

As “impressive” as that might be, Seattle still has not had any more success than GB over the past decade.

 

[brandon2348]

Yup, scouting, drafting, free agents, evaluating your own and coaching....while having a FHOF QB to mask the short comings, the Packers Achilles heal for too many years.

They run a simple scheme that doesn't confuse the hell out of the players which leads to less breakdowns. This allows players to react rather then think out there which improves overall play.

They consistently keep there D-Line a strength and play nasty upfront while finding secondary talent on day 2 and 3 which they coach up. Everyone has a "clear vision" of what they are doing on defense. What impresses me the most is they never quit on defense and are stingy in the redzone.

 

[brandon2348]

If professional GMs, head coaches, defensive coordinators, etc. can't figure out how to make a defense work, how is Rodgers going to know? Same goes for special teams. I assume you're talking about the offense though, and I agree the offense needs more attention.

I'm just talking about offensive personnel. Rodgers is out there seeing what and who is winning there matchups consistently. I'm am certain he has a great idea of what needs to be improved.

 

[Pokerbrat2000]

As “impressive” as that might be, Seattle still has not had any more success than GB over the past decade.

If you are defining "success" only by Super Bowl wins, I would have to agree with you. However, I think we were referring to the way the Seahawks have been able to maintain a much better defense than the one the Packers have fielded.

 

[brandon2348]

As “impressive” as that might be, Seattle still has not had any more success than GB over the past decade.

I am 100 percent certain that if the Packers had a defense like the Seahawks have had during the last decade we would have more championships.

 

[Mondio]

I am 100 percent certain that if the Packers and a defense like the Seahawks have had during the last decade we would have more championships.

No ****. And if the Seahawks had an offense like GB they would have too. And if Denver wouldn’t have spent so much on ****** quarterbacks maybe they’d have been relevant for more than 2 years and If the Eagles could have won with the same team they’d have accomplished more and if and if and if.

But they didn’t. It’s a tough business and cap, injuries, bad decisions, and just bad luck all play a role. Quit acting like you know, because you don’t

 

[Mondio]

If you are defining "success" only by Super Bowl wins, I would have to agree with you. However, I think we were referring to the way the Seahawks have been able to maintain a much better defense than the one the Packers have fielded.

So the end goal is defensive rankimgs now?

 

[brandon2348]

But they didn’t. It’s a tough business and cap, injuries, bad decisions, and just bad luck all play a role. Quit acting like you know, because you don’t

"EXCUSES"

For a franchise that was built on Vince Lombardi who wouldn't allow any excuse I have sure been hearing a lot lately.