The Aaron Rodgers performance thread

[XPack]

Can you correct "Defence" to "Defense"?

Thank you.

Bloody Yanks....teaching English to rest of world. It's spelt with a c per proper English.

 

[Do7]

I mentioned this before in a post in another thread regarding AB, but I just wanted to post this here in regards to buffer my point in regards to what I define as prima donna and throwing people under the bus. Listen to the part where he goes in on Big Ben. Rodgers may have his issues but he sure as hell not this bad. Enjoy!

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[Pokerbrat2000]

Bloody Yanks....teaching English to rest of world. It's spelt with a c per proper English.

I would take offence, to that spelting.

 

[I asked LT to delete my acct]

I would take offence, to that spelting.

Wonker !!

 

[XPack]

Doesn't add new stuff, but gives weight to the common behind scenes speculation.

https://www.yahoo.com/amphtml/sport...mike-mccarthy-green-bay-season-031440680.html

Where does coach responsibility end and AR's begin when play calling?

 

[Mondio]

Doesn't add new stuff, but gives weight to the common behind scenes speculation.

https://www.yahoo.com/amphtml/sport...mike-mccarthy-green-bay-season-031440680.html

Where does coach responsibility end and AR's begin when play calling?

how much did that happen, say in 2010 or 2012 or 2014 etc? I know after Rodgers was entrenched at QB he was given the reigns to call his own plays in situational football like 2 and 4 minute offense. I think in the 2 minute he was given personnel groupings by the coach, and made the calls on the field depending on TO situations etc. So, unless Mercedes was here the past 5-7 years to know what it was like before this year, he's simply relaying a time when the QB changed a play and said he's never seen anything like it. Maybe because he's never played with a QB given the freedom to do it?

It's magnified beacuse they weren't winning, but I don't think it was all this "riff" they keep trying to go off on. It was a lot of things. Oline at times, Rodgers innaccuracy at times, dropped passes at times, inexperience at WR a lot of the time, missed opportunities at times, play calls at times. There were so many things going on that would be poor, at times, that made it all look really bad.

QB and HC probably had work to do this offseason to get things better, but I don't think it was this huge conflict that blew the team up. I think that's media driven. Head coaches and QB's have butted heads since head coaches and QB's were actually 2 different people in the NFL.

anyway, I saw a quick interview with Brian Bulaga after the season was over. He said it perfectly and i'm paraphrasing. Everyone needed to remember this season, remember the feeling, and know they have to go put in the work. Doesn't matter who the coach is, they need to start getting better now. He said you can change the coach, but what was wrong doesn't just go away by anything other than the players working hard to fix what they've been doing wrong. and he wasn't wrong.

 

[G0P4ckG0]

Doesn't add new stuff, but gives weight to the common behind scenes speculation.

https://www.yahoo.com/amphtml/sport...mike-mccarthy-green-bay-season-031440680.html

Where does coach responsibility end and AR's begin when play calling?

There is no correct answer. However, I will side with Rodgers because he knows the players more than McCarthy did. If McCarthy called a play that didn't suit Rodgers' comfort level based upon the offensive lineup, then by all means Rodgers should wave-off that play in favor of something he believes has a higher chance of success.

This sounds eerily similar to Favre's final year where there was a dysfunction in play calling. The only difference this time is the head coach was shown the door rather than the quarterback. Maybe McCarthy was the issue from the onset.

 

[AmishMafia]

There is no correct answer. However, I will side with Rodgers because he knows the players more than McCarthy did. If McCarthy called a play that didn't suit Rodgers' comfort level based upon the offensive lineup, then by all means Rodgers should wave-off that play in favor of something he believes has a higher chance of success.

This sounds eerily similar to Favre's final year where there was a dysfunction in play calling. The only difference this time is the head coach was shown the door rather than the quarterback. Maybe McCarthy was the issue from the onset.

There is no reason to think Rodgers knows his players better than McCarthy. Actually, McCarthy is in a far more objective position to "know" his players.

I wondered which way this matter was going and it became clearer to me when Rodgers went out. When Kizer was running the team I noticed there appeared to be more open WRs. Now maybe Kizer called better audibles or the defense change to allow easier completions, but it seemed to me the play calling was more effective. Therefore I believe it was more AR audibles being bad than the original call.

Rodgers has changed, he is a different person than he was a few years ago. He talks and acts differently and I dont know why. I hope it was a conflict with MM because he may be back to his old self with the HC change.

 

[Ceodore]

any of you defending rodgers changing the play in the huddle are out of your gourds. it's insubordination pure and simple. try doing that in your workplace and see what happens.

it's one thing to audible at the line when you see the defense. it's another completely to just disregard your coach because you want to call your own play.

 

[XPack]

how much did that happen, say in 2010 or 2012 or 2014 etc? I know after Rodgers was entrenched at QB he was given the reigns to call his own plays in situational football like 2 and 4 minute offense. I think in the 2 minute he was given personnel groupings by the coach, and made the calls on the field depending on TO situations etc. So, unless Mercedes was here the past 5-7 years to know what it was like before this year, he's simply relaying a time when the QB changed a play and said he's never seen anything like it. Maybe because he's never played with a QB given the freedom to do it?

You're reading this wrong. The issue was not on AR12 changing plays at the line..because he was doing it for many years now....but rather the tension between them. AR has ability to change plays if he sees a blitz or like that, but changing plays because he does not like them is simply a rebellion against McCarthy. And that is what I get from the article. A not so happy relationship between the QB vs Coach would be pretty obvious to every player in the team and I think that is what Lewis is referring to.

Rodgers has changed, he is a different person than he was a few years ago. He talks and acts differently and I dont know why. I hope it was a conflict with MM because he may be back to his old self with the HC change.

I keep leaning towards this too. Perhaps AR12 has lost confidence in MMs play calling over course of past few seasons and this season was the tipping point. But still ignoring plays is not really the way for a leader to set the example for the team.

 

[Pokerbrat2000]

I guess what I want to know is whether #12 had full autonomy to call plays as he saw fit, whether it was in the huddle or an audible. Because I am getting the impression that he did (Mercedes Lewis interview). If he had that authority, without any caveats, than the problem really isn't with Aaron, but with MM for allowing it, if he didn't like it. You can't tell someone "I trust you, call what you want" and then take offense to the fact that he does it.

https://finance.yahoo.com/video/aaron-rodgers-ignored-playcalls-huddle-011211475.html

 

[XPack]

I guess what I want to know is whether #12 had full autonomy to call plays as he saw fit, whether it was in the huddle or an audible.

Consider the punt decision from Seattle. Recall AR and many other players was not happy with it. This is probably an example of MM retaining some control over play calling...which may have irked AR12. Practically be it huddle, audible or hurry-up, AR12 would have full autonomy...providing he has a valid reason (saw something in defence, blitz warning etc). When it starts happening without a valid reason, then it gets blurred and friction begins.

 

[Pokerbrat2000]

Consider the punt decision from Seattle. Recall AR and many other players was not happy with it. This is probably an example of MM retaining some control over play calling...which may have irked AR12. Practically be it huddle, audible or hurry-up, AR12 would have full autonomy...providing he has a valid reason (saw something in defence, blitz warning etc). When it starts happening without a valid reason, then it gets blurred and friction begins.

Who judges "valid reason" and timing of changing the play? Because it sounds like AR had the green light to change the play in the huddle. This is far different than walking up to the LOS, surveying the defense and than audibling out of the called play based on Rodgers assessment of the defense. Again just guessing here, but it feels like Rodgers power just morphed into something that MM didn't like. So moving forward, either the new HC and OC have to set the ground rules with what AR can and can't do or this same thing will just keep happening.

As far as punting/FG or going for it on 4th down, that is HC decision and whether AR or any player got frustrated with what MM decided, that is on the player.

 

[XPack]

Who judges "valid reason" and timing of changing the play? Because it sounds like AR had the green light to change the play in the huddle. This is far different than walking up to the LOS, surveying the defense and than audibling out of the called play based on Rodgers assessment of the defense. Again just guessing here, but it feels like Rodgers power just morphed into something that MM didn't like. So moving forward, either the new HC and OC have to set the ground rules with what AR can and can't do or this same thing will just keep happening.

As far as punting/FG or going for it on 4th down, that is HC decision and whether AR or any player got frustrated with what MM decided, that is on the player.

It's between coach and qb to judge it between themselves as this is a more intuitive and no fixed scale.

Agree with rest of your post. What was once a good dynamic morphed into something toxic for both.

 

[Pokerbrat2000]

It's between coach and qb to judge it between themselves as this is a more intuitive and no fixed scale.

Agree with rest of your post. What was once a good dynamic morphed into something toxic for both.

Yup and if you read between the lines, if what I am reading is true, it became a battle between 2 alpha males, both wanting to control the play calls. I can see where both guys can be viewed as being at fault here, especially based on the fact that the offense wasn't working. But I still would say that MM messed up at some point by not throwing down the gauntlet and saying to AR, "stick to my play calls, unless you get to the LOS and its an obvious audible out." I definitely don't get the impression that Rodgers was under that tight of a leash and if he was, MM should have done something to change it.

 

[gbgary]

it's the prima donna's out-of-control ego. we heard it was happening and saw it on a couple of occasions with the close-up cameras. he undermined MM by publicly calling out MM and then ignoring him on the field. how does that appeal to these coaches being interviewed? he's more interested in wowing people than driving down the field moving the chains. Rodgers seeing Mahomes' highlight year was the worst thing that could have happened to Green Bay. people/media stopped talking about Aaron. as Lewis (who doesn't have an ax to grind) gets in line with Driver, Jennings, James Jones, Finley, pointing out Rodgers is..."different" (and clearly getting worse) how can people continue keep their heads buried in the sand. i'm not saying MM isn't without criticism (and Philbin's offense), as they pointed out the scheme devalued the TE, but somewhere along the line Rodgers' ego caused him to leave the reservation. probably after the contract making him the highest paid player in the league the first time. the Packers enabling this is baffling. *facepalm*

 

[longtimefan]

Yup and if you read between the lines, if what I am reading is true, it became a battle between 2 alpha males, both wanting to control the play calls. I can see where both guys can be viewed as being at fault here, especially based on the fact that the offense wasn't working. But I still would say that MM messed up at some point by not throwing down the gauntlet and saying to AR, "stick to my play calls, unless you get to the LOS and its an obvious audible out." I definitely don't get the impression that Rodgers was under that tight of a leash and if he was, MM should have done something to change it.

This was mentioned in SI article posted weeks ago

 

[Pokerbrat2000]

This was mentioned in SI article posted weeks ago

Could be, they always seem to steal all my thoughts, even before I have them!

 

[Do7]

Rodgers has changed, he is a different person than he was a few years ago. He talks and acts differently and I dont know why. I hope it was a conflict with MM because he may be back to his old self with the HC change.

How exactly has Rodgers "changed"? How is he talking any different than he did years ago? I'm curious. Tell me more about these "changes" you speak of this should be good.

it's the prima donna's out-of-control ego. we heard it was happening and saw it on a couple of occasions with the close-up cameras. he undermined MM by publicly calling out MM and then ignoring him on the field. how does that appeal to these coaches being interviewed? he's more interested in wowing people than driving down the field moving the chains. Rodgers seeing Mahomes' highlight year was the worst thing that could have happened to Green Bay. people/media stopped talking about Aaron. as Lewis (who doesn't have an ax to grind) gets in line with Driver, Jennings, James Jones, Finley, pointing out Rodgers is..."different" (and clearly getting worse) how can people continue keep their heads buried in the sand. i'm not saying MM isn't without criticism (and Philbin's offense), as they pointed out the scheme devalued the TE, but somewhere along the line Rodgers' ego caused him to leave the reservation. probably after the contract making him the highest paid player in the league the first time. the Packers enabling this is baffling. *facepalm*

And back with the Prima Donna nonsense again. Every 2-3 pages people can't help themselves but through the word around.

I can't even take what you said seriously considering you included James Jones and Donald Driver in the same group as Finely and Jennings in regards to their opinion of Rodgers. James Jones has said nothing negative in regards to Rodgers and neither did Driver. May want to brush up on your facts.

If they "enabled" him as you said wouldn't they have kept his QB coach, and Jordy Nelson? Plus in the past Rodgers has voiced his opinion in keeping players that they didn't bother to keep. Case in point Jared Cook. And I'm sorry are you implying that Rodgers didn't EARN the money he was given this passed year? Because if you're saying making him the highest paid QB is a problem based off what he's done, and in truth this was an off year but when you factor in the injury and the oline, the fact that he has new players he has to create chemistry with, then forgive me if I don't take your soliloquy serious.

I swear it's like some people's memory here are short term or they don't bother to read. SMH. All it take is one off year and we're ready to hang the guy after him spoiling us for years. Like I said before we truly don't deserve someone like him. SMH,

 

[XPack]

people/media stopped talking about Aaron. as Lewis (who doesn't have an ax to grind) gets in line with Driver, Jennings, James Jones, Finley, pointing out Rodgers is..."different" (and clearly getting worse) how can people continue keep their heads buried in the sand. i'm not saying MM isn't without criticism (and Philbin's offense), as they pointed out the scheme devalued the TE, but somewhere along the line Rodgers' ego caused him to leave the reservation. probably after the contract making him the highest paid player in the league the first time. the Packers enabling this is baffling. *facepalm*

You should take that with a pinch of salt. AR is a generational talent and perhaps he's just frustrated with TTs draft and develop approach and wants some immediate gratification (like most of us here too). I think he's just tired of playing it safe and reaching playoff's and wants to go after the big one. After the Seattle loss, we've not reached that level yet. I hope with TT, DC and MM gone, we can have a fresh start with Gute, MP and the new head coach. Someone who can give this franchise a refreshing restart.

As to Rodgers being the highest paid QB, there really should be no question about that. No one deserved it more based on proven past performances.

 

[Pokerbrat2000]

I swear it's like some people's memory here are short term or they don't bother to read. SMH. All it take is one off year and we're ready to hang the guy after him spoiling us for years. Like I said before we truly don't deserve someone like him. SMH,

Speaking strictly for myself, I'm not trying to hang Rodgers, more trying to understand and explore what might be wrong. If you can't see that something is definitely wrong, than you really aren't seeing this clearly. If you don't see that Rodgers has a part in it, than you should.

Personally, I don't think any one player or coach woke up one day and said "I'm changing and if they don't like it, F em all." I think this is an evolution of many things; failed draft picks, bad communication/relationships between coaches and players, over confidence by all, injuries, etc.

 

[Do7]

Speaking strictly for myself, I'm not trying to hang Rodgers, more trying to understand and explore what might be wrong. If you can't see that something is definitely wrong, than you really aren't seeing this clearly. If you don't see that Rodgers has a part in it, than you should.

Personally, I don't think any one player or coach woke up one day and said "I'm changing and if they don't like it, F em all." I think this is an evolution of many things; failed draft picks, bad communication/relationships between coaches and players, over confidence by all, injuries, etc.

I have said over and and over again that Rodgers shares a fair share of BLAME in regards to how this season went, but that was due to his PLAY ON THE FIELD. Everything else from his personality and whatnot has been more or less the same over the years and we've been winning football games. As for what might've caused this, oh I don't know, maybe it was factors such as:

1. Coming back from an injury the previous year in which he may or may not have recovered from (I've made the case that he sees phantoms)

2. O-line not being very good

3. Creating chemistry with new receivers which takes time

4. Getting injured AGAIN and in the first game of the season no less

How is it that hard? ONLY NOW it's suddenly starting to become an issue for some reason. After one bad year by HIS standards!

Oh and to those who DO NOT know the definition of Enable: give (someone or something) the authority or means to do something.

People say the organization is enabling Rodgers is not only short sighted but completely idiotic imo as I stated previous times as to why that isn't the case. Rodgers doesn't run the damn place.

On the field that is different b/c McCarthy has given Rodgers that freedom to do that as he Rodgers EARNED that trust, and has delivered more times than not. What confuses me (I said this before) is that we've been complaining about McCarthy's play calling for YEARS and now that we find out Rodgers on occasion changes the plays it's a freaking problem.

Do you want to know why I posted that video regarding The Steelers, it's because THAT is what PRIMA DONNAS looks like! Having multiple reports where you BLAME fellow teammates for your short comings as to why they lost. THAT IS THROWING SOMEONE UNDER THE BUS! When you have teammates that play with you CURRENTLY calling you out because you don't show up at practice, or because you throw a fit that things don't go your way, and requesting a trade because frictions are that bad between a player and a coach. What I find weird is that these "former players" happen to run their mouth AFTER they left GB. If it was that bad then why the hell didn't we hear about it when they were in the organization? Apparently Rodgers wasn't that bad as he is made out to be. Plus if we're honest outside of Woodson, what have they done outside of GB? And you know it's funny in spite all of these comments, have you noticed Rodgers has not said anything or responded to said comments? Hadn't gone on social media, hadn't said anything in press, nothing.

What I find funny is that people on here are saying how b/c Rodgers is the HIGHEST paid QB and that is what enabled him. If I recall Drew Brees became the highest paid QB once upon a time and missed the playoffs many times and yet no one made any drama about him or claimed he was enabled.

Tell me if we had won these games would anyone be ******** and complaining about all of these issues?

I get it! We're in unfamiliar territory as we've been enjoying success and now for the first time in a long time we are once again on the outside looking in and had a terrible season. This season was a wash and was a collective failure all around from the organization to the players on the field, Rodgers included. Based on his standards and what we've seen. Rodgers needs to play better. Unlike some of you, I'll give Rodgers the BOTD (Benefit of the doubt) for his off year. If this was a TREND. Then you would have me, but since it's not, forgive me if I don't take what some of you guys are saying seriously. We've been spoiled thanks to #12.

 

[Quientus]

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I swear it's like some people's memory here are short term or they don't bother to read. SMH. All it take is one off year and we're ready to hang the guy after him spoiling us for years. Like I said before we truly don't deserve someone like him. SMH,

Pot meet Kettle ... Kettle meet Pot ...

2018 season isn't the only season where Rodgers has been "off" ... - And you know this if you have been following the Packers for as long as you say you have ... - And I'm not referring to Rodgers'
first season as starter ...

- According to you, Rodgers can do no wrong ... The instant some poster says anything slighty negative about Rodgers, you "jump up" and "take offense" ...

 

[Do7]

Pot meet Kettle ... Kettle meet Pot ...

2018 season isn't the only season where Rodgers has been "off" ... - And you know this if you have been following the Packers for as long as you say you have ... - And I'm not referring to Rodgers'
first season as starter ...

Alright then educate me. Tell me what year you're referring to. I'll wait. And for extra credit please tell me and highlight all the "white noise" that was said about him from the media outside and whatnot. Aaaaand go!

 

[longtimefan]

I have said over and and over again that Rodgers shares a fair share of BLAME in regards to how this season went, but that was due to his PLAY ON THE FIELD. Everything else from his personality and whatnot has been more or less the same over the years and we've been winning football games. As for what might've caused this, oh I don't know, maybe it was factors such as:

1. Coming back from an injury the previous year in which he may or may not have recovered from (I've made the case that he sees phantoms)

2. O-line not being very good

3. Creating chemistry with new receivers which takes time

4. Getting injured AGAIN and in the first game of the season no less

How is it that hard? ONLY NOW it's suddenly starting to become an issue for some reason. After one bad year by HIS standards!

Oh and to those who DO NOT know the definition of Enable: give (someone or something) the authority or means to do something.

People say the organization is enabling Rodgers is not only short sighted but completely idiotic imo as I stated previous times as to why that isn't the case. Rodgers doesn't run the damn place.

On the field that is different b/c McCarthy has given Rodgers that freedom to do that as he Rodgers EARNED that trust, and has delivered more times than not. What confuses me (I said this before) is that we've been complaining about McCarthy's play calling for YEARS and now that we find out Rodgers on occasion changes the plays it's a freaking problem.

Do you want to know why I posted that video regarding The Steelers, it's because THAT is what PRIMA DONNAS looks like! Having multiple reports where you BLAME fellow teammates for your short comings as to why they lost. THAT IS THROWING SOMEONE UNDER THE BUS! When you have teammates that play with you CURRENTLY calling you out because you don't show up at practice, or because you throw a fit that things don't go your way, and requesting a trade because frictions are that bad between a player and a coach. What I find weird is that these "former players" happen to run their mouth AFTER they left GB. If it was that bad then why the hell didn't we hear about it when they were in the organization? Apparently Rodgers wasn't that bad as he is made out to be. Plus if we're honest outside of Woodson, what have they done outside of GB? And you know it's funny in spite all of these comments, have you noticed Rodgers has not said anything or responded to said comments? Hadn't gone on social media, hadn't said anything in press, nothing.

What I find funny is that people on here are saying how b/c Rodgers is the HIGHEST paid QB and that is what enabled him. If I recall Drew Brees became the highest paid QB once upon a time and missed the playoffs many times and yet no one made any drama about him or claimed he was enabled.

Tell me if we had won these games would anyone be ******** and complaining about all of these issues?

I get it! We're in unfamiliar territory as we've been enjoying success and now for the first time in a long time we are once again on the outside looking in and had a terrible season. This season was a wash and was a collective failure all around from the organization to the players on the field, Rodgers included. Based on his standards and what we've seen. Rodgers needs to play better. Unlike some of you, I'll give Rodgers the BOTD (Benefit of the doubt) for his off year. If this was a TREND. Then you would have me, but since it's not, forgive me if I don't take what some of you guys are saying seriously. We've been spoiled thanks to #12.

Your words.. injury isn't healed from last year and then new one this year.. That can be reasons why his play suffered.. Ie, takes some of 5he blame. Sucks but it's true.

Chemistry shouldn't be an issue last few weeks of the year

Oline.. I don't buy that.. We saw him dance around for ages.. It has been an issue but I would put that way down on the list