The Aaron Rodgers performance thread

[Do7]

Pokerbrat and myself (i think it was him) actually have discussed the dynamics for why this is. I think that perception and demographic plays into this. Aaron is a west coast cali guy. Has a cool guy demeanor and is perceived as more "upper class". Where Favre was a perceived as blue collar. Relateable. Someone you could drink a beer with. In the midwest, Favre's perception is more readily accepted. Because I dont think you can argue that Aaron is more skilled (Aaron is better skill wise). But that is just what it appears to be. Country midwesterner vs west coast cali kid. Take your pick basically

I'm a military brat personally. So I can't really say I relate to either one of them personally. My mother was a country girl (God rest her soul), but she was high maintenance, because she wanted the best for me. As an adult now I finally understand why she was so ******* me. It definitely helped me in the long run. I'll have to thank her when my time is over and I see her in the after life.
Maybe that's why I can identify with Arodg in that regard.

 

[PackAttack12]

It's a shame Rodgers didn't break Nick Foles TD-to-INT Ratio record this season. Let's hope Rodgers doesn't try to throw only zero or one INT next season. Better to have a 40 TD, 8 INT season than a 20 TD, 0 INT season.

Brady holds the mark for TD to INT ratio with 28/2 in 2016.

 

[Cheese Headed Monster]

I'm a military brat personally. So I can't really say I relate to either one of them personally. My mother was a country girl (God rest her soul), but she was high maintenance, because she wanted the best for me. As an adult now I finally understand why she was so ******* me. It definitely helped me in the long run. I'll have to thank her when my time is over and I see her in the after life.
Maybe that's why I can identify with Arodg in that regard.

Bingo. I think that is it. Cause if you argue stats I mean there is no argument right? Like clearly Aaron is better. But everyone has there ties and reasons. Thats what makes a Packer forum nice. We have the ability to argue between two HOF legends. Its good to hear the other side though and your connections.

 

[Do7]

Bingo. I think that is it. Cause if you argue stats I mean there is no argument right? Like clearly Aaron is better. But everyone has there ties and reasons. Thats what makes a Packer forum nice. We have the ability to argue between two HOF legends. Its good to hear the other side though and your connections.

Indeed. Well said man. Good talk.

 

[Pokerbrat2000]

But what amazes me is that how just one BAD season by HIS standards, some of us here are quick to turn on Arodg despite the years of production he's had on the field, and act like his character and personality is the problem despite the fact we've been winning with this same personality and character, and leadership.

I can only speak for myself, but I see the far left and the far right positions when it comes to Rodgers. I don't get too worked up by either. Yes, Rodgers has been and hopefully will continue to be a great QB for the Green Bay Packers, but constructive criticism shouldn't be viewed as throwing a guy under the bus.

I can't change how others react to such criticism or analysis, but if I took everything I read personally, I probably couldn't sleep at night.

 

[gbgary]

another as if we didn't know...

https://twitter.com/BenFennell_NFL/status/1080858158195716096

 

[Do7]

I can only speak for myself, but I see the far left and the far right positions when it comes to Rodgers. I don't get too worked up by either. Yes, Rodgers has been and hopefully will continue to be a great QB for the Green Bay Packers, but constructive criticism shouldn't be viewed as throwing a guy under the bus.

I can't change how others react to such criticism or analysis, but if I took everything I read personally, I probably couldn't sleep at night.

Question: When you say constructive criticism are you referring to Rodgers giving his assessment to others? Or are you referring to him personally?

 

[Pokerbrat2000]

If all you got out of this was another Favre vs Rodgers debate, then clearly you haven't been paying attention.

This was pertaining to Rodgers always having an uphill battle to climb ever since he came into the league. From the draft, to replacing the legend in Favre, and now him being under fire after ONE bad season. Or at least that's what I got out of it.

I saw this point that you made, I just happen to disagree with it. Rodgers was drafted later than most, including Rodgers thought he would be, so where is the pressure to perform with that? Sitting on a bench for 3 years, while learning from a FHOF and being able to practice with his future teammates for 3 years without being under the microscope of live games, most rookie QB's thrust right into action would probably have loved that, again no pressure. Taking over for a QB that many hated by the time he left Green Bay, where is the shadow?

I see a player that was embraced by fans almost immediately, especially once he proved himself on the field. For the life of me I can't figure out an argument pointing to your notion that Rodgers had an uphill battle in Green Bay.

As far as Rodgers being evaluated and somewhat criticized after this season, do you not think some of it is warranted? Remember there are always going to be far left and far right opinions, I try not to be too offended or surprised by either.

 

[Pokerbrat2000]

Question: When you say constructive criticism are you referring to Rodgers giving his assessment to others? Or are you referring to him personally?

I'm not making reference to anyone specifically. Constructive criticism is what it is. Who it comes from and who it is intended for is only important in its accuracy and method of delivery.

 

[Do7]

I saw this point that you made, I just happen to disagree with it. Rodgers was drafted later than most, including Rodgers thought he would be, so where is the pressure to perform with that? Sitting on a bench for 3 years, while learning from a FHOF and being able to practice with his future teammates for 3 years without being under the microscope of live games, most rookie QB's thrust right into action would probably have loved that, again no pressure. Taking over for a QB that many hated by the time he left Green Bay, where is the shadow?

I see a player that was embraced by fans almost immediately, especially once he proved himself on the field. For the life of me I can't figure out an argument pointing to your notion that Rodgers had an uphill battle in Green Bay.

As far as Rodgers being evaluated and somewhat criticized after this season, do you not think some of it is warranted? Remember there are always going to be far left and far right opinions, I try not to be too offended or surprised by either.

Alright I'll paint you a picture.

You're originally supposed to be picked in the first round and supposedly the first pick. So the pressure is there from the get go.

Then your stock gets dropped down to where you get picked up at the 24th pick in the first round, only to sit behind a FHOF that wants nothing to do with you. Keep in mind you're sitting behind him for three years and it's getting to the point where you may end up being a viable backup for the rest of your career if things don't change. No pressure right?

Then when you finally get the chance to play, you're already getting backlash from fans who still wanted to keep the legend, and despise you for the fact that you're replacing him. No pressure though? DO NOT DENY that the most people wanted Favre back over Rodgers. I remember that quite well in which the polls were in favor to Favre over Rodgers as we were just coming from a crushing lost in the NFC Championship game against the Giants, a game Favre costed us mind you.

And as you're playing you know you're filling in big shoes for that FHOF, take into factor that you're playing on the most historic franchises in NFL history. Again no pressure right?

I can continue on, but your claim to say there was no pressure is silly.

Rodgers always had pressure to perform, and I'd say he certainly lived up to expectations if not exceeded them.

 

[Pokerbrat2000]

Alright I'll paint you a picture.

You're originally supposed to be picked in the first round and supposedly the first pick. So the pressure is there from the get go.

Then your stock gets dropped down to where you get picked up at the 24th pick in the first round, only to sit behind a FHOF that wants nothing to do with you. Keep in mind you're sitting behind him for three years and it's getting to the point where you may end up being a viable backup for the rest of your career if things don't change. No pressure right?

Then when you finally get the chance to play, you're already getting backlash from fans who still wanted to keep the legend, and despise you for the fact that you're replacing him. No pressure though? DO NOT DENY that the most people wanted Favre back over Rodgers. I remember that quite well in which the polls were in favor to Favre over Rodgers as we were just coming from a crushing lost in the NFC Championship game against the Giants, a game Favre costed us mind you.

And as you're playing you know you're filling in big shoes for that FHOF, take into factor that you're playing on the most historic franchises in NFL history. Again no pressure right?

I can continue on, but your claim to say there was no pressure is silly.

Rodgers always had pressure to perform, and I'd say he certainly lived up to expectations if not exceeded them.

You are equating my comments to say that there was no pressure on Rodgers, of course there was, 3 years after he was drafted and thrust into the starting role, but who isn't under pressure when trotting out to start as an NFL QB for the first time? But to say that he had an uphill battle to prove himself due to Favre and was under pressure from the day he was drafted, I think you are are painting an over dramatic picture. Now had the Packers traded #4 right after Rodgers was drafted, I could at least see your point that he all of a sudden had a lot of pressure on him. Favre was deemed expendable by the Packers in 2008 because of many factors and probably the most important one, was that they correctly guessed Rodgers was ready to take over.

 

[HardRightEdge]

The argument does hold water, watch the play he could have thrown to graham immediately for the 1st down and Adams on slant for big gain despite the fact McCray failed and pressure came quick. Both of those routes were quick hitter type routes instead Rodgers watches two guys run deep routes and not come open in time despite the blitz. My point is somethings wrong there? Especially when that happens consistently. And I picked the one play to illustrate something I think we all saw happen the entire season. Easy throws to wide open receivers are passed up to wait for a deep route to o pen up far too often. Hence some of the 49 sacks and record number of throw aways

I've been over this before in detail more than once. I see no reason to repeat myself again.

 

[longtimefan]

Just saw this..

The title is
Could Aaron Rodgers be the problem?


But the choices are

1. Aaron Rodgers decline in form
2. Lack of support in offense to AR
3. Defence needs to improve

It's either yes , no, or partial.

Should I recreate a new poll with those choices???

1. 
   
   
   
   
   
   

 

[HardRightEdge]

Just saw this..

The title is
Could Aaron Rodgers be the problem?


But the choices are

1. 
   
   
   • Aaron Rodgers decline in form
   • Lack of support in offense to AR
   • Defence needs to improve

It's either yes , no, or partial.

Should I recreate a new poll with those choices???

What's your point?

 

[PackAttack12]

What's your point?

Apparently the point is that we aren't being moderated enough

 

[longtimefan]

What's your point?

You are pretty astute, do I need to elaborate?

 

[longtimefan]

Apparently the point is that we aren't being moderated enough

I can delete to prove my point?

 

[HardRightEdge]

You are pretty astute, do I need to elaborate?

Yes, I think you do.

 

[HardRightEdge]

Yes, I think you do.

I can delete to prove my point?

Obviously, you can do what you want and frankly it doesn't matter much to me either way. But how about making it an "instructive moment"?

What specifically is wrong with this thread?

 

[longtimefan]

Obviously, you can do what you want and frankly it doesn't matter much to me either way. But how about making it an "instructive moment"?

What specifically is wrong with this thread?

Nothing per say..

The thread title isnt the correct question for the poll answers..

The poll its self is fine, I just find it little misleading is all.

 

[longtimefan]

if we go by title alone, the poll ANSWERS should be

Yes, no, or partial

But if only going by the actual poll question, the choices are right

 

[Pokerbrat2000]

Can you correct "Defence" to "Defense"?

Thank you.

 

[HardRightEdge]

Nothing per say..

The thread title isnt the correct question for the poll answers..

The poll its self is fine, I just find it little misleading is all.

I see your point now and I'd agree. The title suggests a bias. It should read, "What's Wrong with the Offense" to be in agreement with the poll. But that's a pretty subtle thing to take issue with in a place so frequently lacking in subtlety.

The poll still isn't quite right. Here are some other possibilities if one takes the second option to mean "insufficient supporting talent":

• a defective or antiquited offensive scheme
• poor play calling within a sound scheme
• poor game planning and in-game adjustments by the coaches
• Rodgers undue influence in game plans and play calls
• a poor communication dynamic where getting from problem to solution is frustrated

Multiple things can be wrong to various degrees requiring a weighted answer. Should we take this kind of poll presented in these simplistic terms (and there are many like it) all that seriously? I know I don't.

 

[longtimefan]

Should we take this kind of poll presented in these simplistic terms (and there are many like it) all that seriously? I know I don't.

Which is why I posed this as a question

 

[Poppa San]

Can you correct "Defence" to "Defense"?

Thank you.

And **** off @buggybill2003 ? No thank you.