The Aaron Rodgers performance thread

[longtimefan]

https://twitter.com/NFLMatchup/status/1079820221995724800?s=19


Packers had best rushing before contact..Def probably didn't respect the run game enough..

As I said b4, they didn't use it properly.. Def could have added extra to the line and maybe that would have opened up passing ge more.

 

[LetzBreel]

LOL.....I don't watch Mahomes enough to be a good judge of him, but I have seen him a few times and one thing he has over AR is wheels. Sadly, I don't think AR is going to get any faster and playing on his bum knee for most of the season totally limited his ability to do what most think he should or should be able to do. I'm not making excuses or absolving Rodgers from all of his mistakes, but the man can only do so much. As some have said, a healthy Rodgers, fixing a few of the weaknesses in the OL and a new OC and I think this offense will be just fine.

Listening to all this talk about how terrible Rodgers is makes me go back to when #4 pulled all his crap. Rodgers has never had a chance from day one just because of what an ******* #4 was. Right from the beginning people formed an opinion of Rodgers that was obviously not totally correct. Let me set the record straight - I think that the guy is a bit odd. You either love him or you hate him and he doesn't make it easy. Blame the internet and all the media for thinking that we need to know everything about everybody. But imagine getting booed for simply stepping onto the field to replace "the great one". #4 was not what made the Packers relevant again. It was Reggie White going to Green Bay when it wasn't cool to do so. Did #4 make a difference? Of course. Long story short, he finally leaves Green Bay for Minnesota (unforgiveable) and calls them the best team he's ever been a part of. Really. Go away. Apparently a lot of you haven't been around long enough to remember from 1970 to 1992. No worries, there was NOTHING to remember. Maybe the "after further review. the Bears still suck" game. Enough of that! Bottom line is, the fact that this team has accomplished what it has for 100 years is legendary. All it will take to help this organization rebound is to get 1 or 2 significant players to show that they are willing to play there. When and if that happens, well, your guess is as good as mine. So R-E-L-A-X! I have no doubt that Rodgers was injured this whole season but because "#4 would have played" he is not afforded the benefit of a doubt. He HAS to play. The Favre Factor will always be hung over his head. It will never go away.

 

[Pokerbrat2000]

when #4 pulled all his crap....he finally leaves Green Bay for Minnesota (unforgiveable)

Why do people keep saying this? Favre did not leave Green Bay to play with the Vikings, he was traded by the Packers to the Jets for a 4th round pick. Favre signed with the Vikings the following year as a free agent. If you understand very competitive athletes, you will understand why he signed with the Vikings and the other $25 million other reasons as well.

Rodgers has never had a chance from day one just because of what an ******* #4 was.

As far as Favre's legacy not allowing Rodgers to get out from under his shadow? Not buying that either.

 

[Deleted member 6794]

Why do people keep saying this? Favre did not leave Green Bay to play with the Vikings, he was traded by the Packers to the Jets for a 4th round pick. Favre signed with the Vikings the following year as a free agent. If you understand very competitive athletes, you will understand why he signed with the Vikings and the other $25 million other reasons as well.

Favre retired after one season with the Jets again to force them to release him before being able to sign with the Vikings as a free agent though.

 

[thequick12]

Why do people keep saying this? Favre did not leave Green Bay to play with the Vikings, he was traded by the Packers to the Jets for a 4th round pick. Favre signed with the Vikings the following year as a free agent. If you understand very competitive athletes, you will understand why he signed with the Vikings and the other $25 million other reasons as well.

Because people are stupid and anyone who says they would turn down a 25 million dollar job offer because the offer came from a competitor of their former employer is beyond stupid

 

[thequick12]

Favre retired after one season with the Jets again to force them to release him before being able to sign with the Vikings as a free agent though.

Who cares ? Why would you want to play for the jets, a garbage team when at the time the Vikings had Adrian Peterson entering his prime and a legitimate shot at winning a super bowl ? People can say what they want but favre just did what was best for him and signed a lucrative contract with a team he thought he could win another super bowl with, I don't see what the confusion is ? He killed those 2 birds with one stone, money and a good chance to win and he killed a 3rd bird with that same stone by showing the Packers that at that point he was still better than Rodgers

 

[Pokerbrat2000]

Favre retired after one season with the Jets again to force them to release him before being able to sign with the Vikings as a free agent though.

Correct. I was commenting on the wrongful proclamation that some continue to want to use to discredit Favre of "He left the Packers in order to join the Vikings".

 

[Deleted member 6794]

Who cares ? Why would you want to play for the jets, a garbage team when at the time the Vikings had Adrian Peterson entering his prime and a legitimate shot at winning a super bowl ? People can say what they want but favre just did what was best for him and signed a lucrative contract with a team he thought he could win another super bowl with, I don't see what the confusion is ? He killed those 2 birds with one stone, money and a good chance to win and he killed a 3rd bird with that same stone by showing the Packers that at that point he was still better than Rodgers

I don't disagree with anything you said but it's a fact that the Packers traded Favre to the Jets. The deal included a provision that New York had to forfeit their next three first round picks to Green Bay if they traded him to an NFC North team over the course of his two year contract. That's why Brett had to retire after the 2008 season again to force the Jets to release him.

 

[bigbubbatd]

I don't disagree with anything you said but it's a fact that the Packers traded Favre to the Jets. The deal included a provision that New York had to forfeit their next three first round picks to Green Bay if they traded him to an NFC North team over the course of his two year contract. That's why Brett had to retire after the 2008 season again to force the Jets to release him.

If anyone has watched the NFL network stuff with Brett Favre about the whole process he definitely went to Minnesota to stick it to the Packers. He comes off looking really vindictive and petty in the episode. He also implies that the Packers tricked him into retiring. Favre was an all-time great Packer and a joy to watch (most of the time) but that doesnt change the fact that he was annoying toward the end of his career with the "will he, wont he retire" stuff and then how he handled post leaving the Packers.

I do think Rodgers gets some unfair slack just because he isnt Favre and doesnt play the same way. At the same time as someone who thought Favre had way too long of leash with his gunslinger style on the field, I do wish Rodgers would take a few more chances because he has a great arm. Some people complain every time he throws it away and that is crazy but one or two more throws into tight windows would be good.

 

[Do7]

Who cares ? Why would you want to play for the jets, a garbage team when at the time the Vikings had Adrian Peterson entering his prime and a legitimate shot at winning a super bowl ? People can say what they want but favre just did what was best for him and signed a lucrative contract with a team he thought he could win another super bowl with, I don't see what the confusion is ? He killed those 2 birds with one stone, money and a good chance to win and he killed a 3rd bird with that same stone by showing the Packers that at that point he was still better than Rodgers

Yeah if by say what you want, you ignore the fact that he not only held the team hostage with his indecisiveness, didn't want to show up to training camp, and whatnot. So fine. Brett did what he thought was best as did The Packers. I mean we saw NE ship Geropalo to SF and out of the AFC. Same can be said here. What was best for him would be at the detriment of The Packers however. So tell me why the hell would we have traded him to Minnesota? I probably misinterpret that part, because I believe he wanted to go to TB, but we ended up trading to NYJ I think b/c they offered us a better deal. Also everyone knows he was trying to stick it to us. He may have been slightly better than Rodgers, but Rodgers was up and on the rising. We saw that the following year when Rodgers would sweep him on his way to the SB. You know you're proving his point right?

It's amazing after all these years how people will sit here and justify this creep's actions in his final years. And yet we're crucifying Rodgers b/c of one bad year simply because he's high maintenance.

 

[Pokerbrat2000]

So what I am reading from some, what is best for Favre himself in the decision making process isn't at all important, it is only what is best for the Green Bay Packers? Both sides did what was within their control and what they perceived to be best for them. I wouldn't call the Packers trading Favre to the Jets, being in his best interest, but they had the right to do it, so be it. Favre did what he did and the Packers did what they did, stick it to each other after a bad break up.

2 sides to every discussion and failing to look at the actions of both sides, really isn't looking at it fully.

All that being said, I don't blame the Packers one bit for trading Favre to the Jets and getting what they could, but I also don't fault or dislike Favre for wanting what was best for him, when he had control of the decision making process.

 

[Mondio]

It didn't end well that's for sure. I'm sure both sides would have liked to do it over, but in the end what would really change? The packers weren't going to send Favre to a division rival or let him go for nothing, and they had already made the decision it was time for Rodgers to get his shot. I have no problem with any of that at all, because all of that makes sense. I think were the Packers messed up was trying to keep him retired, the locker thing, ect. and Favre clearly wanted to stick it to the Packers. When someone tells you they don't want you anymore, who's not going to want to go be successful in a place you know your ex is going to be watching?

 

[Cheese Headed Monster]

Fans like Rodgers. Fans love Favre. That's what I usually sense. I think Rodgers is the better player, but Favre is the more likable guy. Sometimes that's the difference in the eyes of fans.

 

[gbgary]

as if we didn't know.

https://twitter.com/NFLMatchup/status/1080835839452692480

 

[PackAttack12]

I neglected this thread for a few days and came back to say that I thoroughly enjoyed @HardRightEdge put @thequick12 in a body bag regarding the "analysis" of Rodgers' play against the Jets.

 

[Pokerbrat2000]

Fans like Rodgers. Fans love Favre. That's what I usually sense. I think Rodgers is the better player, but Favre is the more likable guy. Sometimes that's the difference in the eyes of fans.

Yup and it will continue to be a great "discussion" among Packer fans for a long time, with really no clear cut winner IMO. Rodgers does have some time to add to his resume though and who knows if that will be positives or negatives or a mix of both.

One thing I am certain of, there is a Mod or two wondering why yet another "Favre VS. Rodgers" debate has reared its ugly head, so I am done.

 

[Do7]

Yup and it will continue to be a great "discussion" among Packer fans for a long time, with really no clear cut winner IMO. Rodgers does have some time to add to his resume though and who knows if that will be positives or negatives or a mix of both.

One thing I am certain of, there is a Mod or two wondering why yet another "Favre VS. Rodgers" debate has reared its ugly head, so I am done.

If all you got out of this was another Favre vs Rodgers debate, then clearly you haven't been paying attention.

This was pertaining to Rodgers always having an uphill battle to climb ever since he came into the league. From the draft, to replacing the legend in Favre, and now him being under fire after ONE bad season. Or at least that's what I got out of it. Now granted we did get a bit side tracked a bit in regards to how Favre left, but that was in pertains to how people just so happened to forget and apparently absolve how much of a jerk he was in his final seasons as a Packer in comparison to Rodgers being crucified with all these accusations about his character and whatnot. Seeing the flak and scrutiny we give Arodg only highlights how protected Favre has been throughout his career, even when he played like garbage.

 

[Cheese Headed Monster]

If all you got out of this was another Favre vs Rodgers debate, then clearly you haven't been paying attention.

This was pertaining to Rodgers always having an uphill battle to climb ever since he came into the league. From the draft, to replacing the legend in Favre, and now him being under fire after ONE bad season. Now granted we did get a bit side tracked a bit in regards to how Favre left, but that was in pertains to how people just so happened to forget and apparently absolve how much of a jerk he was in his final seasons as a Packer in comparison to Rodgers being crucified with all these accusations about his character and whatnot.

I dont see anyone disagreeing with you? But there can be more than one truth in situations like this. Just because you are right doesn't mean the other person is wrong. R-E-L-A-X mate. Its okay to love Rodgers and hate him just like its okay to love and hate Favre.

 

[Cheese Headed Monster]

Yup and it will continue to be a great "discussion" among Packer fans for a long time, with really no clear cut winner IMO. Rodgers does have some time to add to his resume though and who knows if that will be positives or negatives or a mix of both.

One thing I am certain of, there is a Mod or two wondering why yet another "Favre VS. Rodgers" debate has reared its ugly head, so I am done.

I thought the exact thing thing about the mods But maybe they'll let it slide since the season is over and we are in down time lol

 

[thequick12]

I don't disagree with anything you said but it's a fact that the Packers traded Favre to the Jets. The deal included a provision that New York had to forfeit their next three first round picks to Green Bay if they traded him to an NFC North team over the course of his two year contract. That's why Brett had to retire after the 2008 season again to force the Jets to release him.

Yeah that's why I always thought TT should have traded him to the Vikings for 2 first round picks at minimum, who knows they may have paid more. They let public relations get in the way of a smart football decision

 

[pacmaniac]

It's a shame Rodgers didn't break Nick Foles TD-to-INT Ratio record this season. Let's hope Rodgers doesn't try to throw only zero or one INT next season. Better to have a 40 TD, 8 INT season than a 20 TD, 0 INT season.

 

[Do7]

I dont see anyone disagreeing with you? But there can be more than one truth in situations like this. Just because you are right doesn't mean the other person is wrong. R-E-L-A-X mate. Its okay to love Rodgers and hate him just like its okay to love and hate Favre.

Funny considering you were the one that disagreed with me on one of the post I made a few moments ago.

I never said there was anything wrong in liking or disliking one player over the other. But what amazes me is that how just one BAD season by HIS standards, some of us here are quick to turn on Arodg despite the years of production he's had on the field, and act like his character and personality is the problem despite the fact we've been winning with this same personality and character, and leadership.

I don't ever recall anyone doing that with Favre, even when he played like crap, he was protected. Even when he pulled all that stuff at the end of his career, we have people acting like that was fine and dandy. If Rodgers did that I can only imagine the backlash he would get. It just never hit me how much we as an overall fanbase has protected #4.

 

[Do7]

Yeah that's why I always thought TT should have traded him to the Vikings for 2 first round picks at minimum, who knows they may have paid more. They let public relations get in the way of a smart football decision

....Are you serious? No seriously.

At what point would it make sense to trade a player to a DIVISION FOE!? Especially considering they were on the rise and could threaten us? Do you hear yourself right now? That would be like The Patriots trading Tom Brady to The Jets in favor for Geropalo. Why do you think they shipped Gerapolo to San Fran and out of the AFC?

Unbelievable! I'm gonna go ahead and guess you think the move that Dan Gilbert did with trading Kyrie to a rival Boston Celtics was a good idea at the time when The Cavs were contenders for a championship.

 

[thequick12]

Yeah, they are. Incredible, isn't it? And they couldn't even pick a play where the argument holds any water.

The argument does hold water, watch the play he could have thrown to graham immediately for the 1st down and Adams on slant for big gain despite the fact McCray failed and pressure came quick. Both of those routes were quick hitter type routes instead Rodgers watches two guys run deep routes and not come open in time despite the blitz. My point is somethings wrong there? Especially when that happens consistently. And I picked the one play to illustrate something I think we all saw happen the entire season. Easy throws to wide open receivers are passed up to wait for a deep route to open up far too often. Hence some of the 49 sacks and record number of throw aways

 

[Cheese Headed Monster]

Funny considering you were the one that disagreed with me on one of the post I made a few moments ago.

I never said there was anything wrong in liking or disliking one player over the other. But what amazes me is that how just one BAD season by HIS standards, some of us here are quick to turn on Arodg despite the years of production he's had on the field, and act like his character and personality is the problem despite the fact we've been winning with this same personality and character, and leadership.

I don't ever recall anyone doing that with Favre, even when he played like crap, he was protected. Even when he pulled all that stuff at the end of his career, we have people acting like that was fine and dandy. If Rodgers did that I can only imagine the backlash he would get. It just never hit me how much we as an overall fanbase has protected #4.

Pokerbrat and myself (i think it was him) actually have discussed the dynamics for why this is. I think that perception and demographic plays into this. Aaron is a west coast cali guy. Has a cool guy demeanor and is perceived as more "upper class". Where Favre was a perceived as blue collar. Relateable. Someone you could drink a beer with. In the midwest, Favre's perception is more readily accepted. Because I dont think you can argue that Aaron is more skilled (Aaron is better skill wise). But that is just what it appears to be. Country midwesterner vs west coast cali kid. Take your pick basically