The Aaron Rodgers performance thread

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Pokerbrat2000

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Yeah. But I'm sure Patrick Mahomes would change the play call in his head mid-dropback and ditch the progression before the play begins to develop. :rolleyes:
LOL.....I don't watch Mahomes enough to be a good judge of him, but I have seen him a few times and one thing he has over AR is wheels. Sadly, I don't think AR is going to get any faster and playing on his bum knee for most of the season totally limited his ability to do what most think he should or should be able to do. I'm not making excuses or absolving Rodgers from all of his mistakes, but the man can only do so much. As some have said, a healthy Rodgers, fixing a few of the weaknesses in the OL and a new OC and I think this offense will be just fine.
 

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Are people seriously nit picking a play during a game when Rodgers threw for 450 yards, scored 4 TDs, and we won??! In a completely meaningless game? With an interim HC?

He is as good as they come. You are the most spoiled fan base around.
 
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I guess our argument is I blamed Rodgers when in fact it was the progression that was to blame. I'm just saying whatever is to blame there next time how about the ball goes to 17[/QUOTE]his
I'm pretty sure the ball was going there but for McCray blowing his block and time running out prematurely.
 
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Are people seriously nit picking a play during a game when Rodgers threw for 450 yards, scored 4 TDs, and we won??! In a completely meaningless game? With an interim HC?

He is as good as they come. You are the most spoiled fan base around.
Yeah, they are. Incredible, isn't it? And they couldn't even pick a play where the argument holds any water.
 

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Rodgers should take a look at what this Bama QB is doing. Using a form of play action, gunning the ball out quick, and baiting the defense up. It's one way of using the short passing game to setup the deep ball.
 

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Rodgers is who he is and with the success he has had playing the way he does and always has it would be near impossible to make him a different player at this stage. I've gone back and re-watched the Pre- Super Bowl years too a few years after and on many many instances he was holding onto the ball working the pocket allowing his receivers to get open and then delivering a laser strike.

The difference now is a bum knee for most of the season along with a front office that has let the O-Line become depleted and lacking enough sufficient weapons to throw too(more or less guys that can work there way open consistently).

Time to upgrade the offense and start winning again.
 
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Driver was a 7th rounder..
Great Point! Let’s look at that. Driver was a great Wideout. I loved Driver. Let’s look at Driver more closely for a comparison.
1. He’s been retired for 6 years. So he had zero direct correlation to this season.

However let’s use your example as a litmus test of productivity. That’s reasonable because he was one of the best Packer receivers in franchise history.


2. Driver didn’t break the 350 yard mark until his 4th season

3. Driver had 1 TD pass caught total in each of his first 3 seasons.

As good as Driver was, he was also largely unproductive for 3 full years. In his first 32 ganes started Driver posted a total of 520 yards and 3 TDs.

As a comparison Jeff Janis (also a late round pick) put up 188 yards and 1 TD in his first 3 seasons and he only started 11 games. He was on pace to surpass Driver in comparable starts!
They Both absolutely sucked wind for 3 seasons.

4. In 2018 GB acquires not one but THREE third day draft picks at WR.

5. GB keeps another 3rd day pick (Davis) who ends up on IR almost immediately. Then comes back for 1 full week and end up on IR again. btw his career stats? 94 yards and 1 TD.

6. We keep Kumerow. (Also undrafted) Also on IR immediately.

7. We keep Geronimo (undrafted and In his 3rd year)
He goes in IR after just 3 full weeks!

8. J’mon Moore the early season presumed starter behind Randall Cobb and pick #133 (first drafted of Wideouts) has 1 catch for 10 yards careeer. He also publicly and 100% freely blamed himself for his lack of performance (admirable).

9. Randall Cobb. Good ‘Ol Randall Cobb.
Played in just 8 games this season. Posted a career low 9.6 yards per catch. Btw that would get most WRs benched or fired.

10. The sole O lineman drafted by GB in 2018? Doesn’t show up to work period.

11. Ty Montgomery. One of just 3 total players drafted before 3rd day in 5 years! (Spriggs and Davante are the others) gets fired after fumbling a KR. That’s 3 Offensive players out of 15 possible draft picks in 5 years! (20% Of our top draft resources have been used on Offense And 80%
Used on Defense. Wait! We fire Ty!

See a pattern here??

Objectively. This O team is absolutely, positively the most depleted Offensive team in professional football. Not even a question in my mind.

So I ask this?
Are these Wideouts sufficient stock talent for a Hall of Fame QB? If so is their a learning curve?
How much total assets have been invested in this Offense in recent years?

When was the last time we picked a first round Offensivd talent of any kind?? Answer: 8 years!!

How much have we invested at O line in the last 5 years to protect our 33M investment?? ? I’ll answer that. In roughly 45 picks we have 5 (sort of)
1-2nd round pick (Spriggs)
1-4th round pick C Madison (no show)
1- 5th round pick Lindsey (we got lucky)
1-6th round pick Murphy (released)
1-6th round pick Kofi (released)
That’s pretty **** poor. We have just TWO Olineman on our entire roster drafted in the last 5 years and we have not invested a day 1 pick into our Offense in 8 years.(Sherrod)

Aaron Rodgers is working with a bunch of half breed misfits. It must be worse than living on the island of misfit toys. There is a TOTAL failure on the part of the GBP to stock talent at O line through the draft. There is a near complete failure to stock talent at nearly every offensive position since 2011. Aaron Rodgers has been all but completely ignored.
 
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I definitely agree with HRE and others that it doesn't make any sense to take that play and use it as prove of evidence that Rodgers struggled this season. He would have had a throwing lane to complete the ball to Adams on that one if he would have been part of the progression though.

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On the other hand taking a look at the coaches film there's no way Rodgers could have completed a pass to Graham in that situation.
 

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True, but that makes their rushing offense even worse. Teams don't need a successful run attack to be successful in this day and age of the NFL.
That's true, but by at least attempting to run the ball more, it keeps the defense more honest. They're at least trying to be more balanced. We were better at the run but arguably underutilized it.
 
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That's true, but by at least attempting to run the ball more, it keeps the defense more honest. They're at least trying to be more balanced. We were better at the run but arguably underutilized it.

Even with the Packers averaging the second most yards per rushing attempt this season opponents didn't put an extra defender near the LOS on most plays as they're definitely more worried about Rodgers throwing the ball.
 

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Even with the Packers averaging the second most yards per rushing attempt this season opponents didn't put an extra defender near the LOS on most plays as they're definitely more worried about Rodgers throwing the ball.
As they should be, but they also know we're far more likely to throw the ball, even if the run is working.
 
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I definitely agree with HRE and others that it doesn't make any sense to take that play and use it as prove of evidence that Rodgers struggled this season. He would have had a throwing lane to complete the ball to Adams on that one if he would have been part of the progression though.

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On the other hand taking a look at the coaches film there's no way Rodgers could have completed a pass to Graham in that situation.
To belabor the point, I believe Adams is in the progression, just not first in the progression. At the point of that screen shot we're somewhere under 2.0 seconds with the rusher about to jack him up. Again, this play is designed as a deep look first with the 10 yard drop. If McCray had not whiffed on his block Rodgers could have gone there as Adams came into view.

If on wanted to get cute with this, which is what the complainers are doing, we could say Graham should have recognized the blitz coming from his side and adjusted to a stick out instead of running the in route.
 
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I'm going to beat this dead horse more time. Consider the TD throw to Cobb at the 2:00 minute mark in this video which has some similarities:

https://www.packers.com/video/packers-qb-aaron-rodgers-highlights-week-14

10 yard deep drop, looking deep left, 5 man blitz instead of 7 coming off the left side, Adams coming all the way across the field wide open into the vacated zone. He sees the safety trailing Cobb with his back to the play and like his chances.

A couple of observations:

1) Rodgers has a clean pocket to step up into.

2) Rogers had the easier throw underneath to Adams for the first down. He surely should have seen him crossing in front of him with time to throw this time. If one answers "yes" then one does not want Aaron Rodgers at QB for the Green Bay Packers because he's been doing this his entire career and you are not going to change him. Otherwise you're like that bad boy's girlfriend who thinks she can comesticate him.

Rodgers is going to be Rodgers. You do not want him to trade his Bugatti for a Camry and turn him into some game manager. Even if you wanted to, you can't. Of course, if a defense wants to play 2-high safety all day with slow linebackers he has shown he's willing and able cut that up.

So the question becomes, "what needs to be done to let Rodgers be Rodgers"? Fixing up the sub-par pass blocking would be a good start.
 

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I'd like to borrow XPack's thread and rephrase the original question.
Regardless of whether or not you think Aaron Rodgers is part of the problem, is it time to draft his replacement?
 

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I'd like to borrow XPack's thread and rephrase the original question.
Regardless of whether or not you think Aaron Rodgers is part of the problem, is it time to draft his replacement?

I would like someone to give me a clear cut reason as to "Why it is time to draft AR's "replacement". Please don't include the sentence "Rodgers was drafted at this point in Favre's career." Because Favre's career was not over when Rodgers took over the starting job.
 
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I'd like to borrow XPack's thread and rephrase the original question.
Regardless of whether or not you think Aaron Rodgers is part of the problem, is it time to draft his replacement?

Just like I posted in the other thread, the Packers don't need to draft Rodgers replacement until at least 2021.
 
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