The Aaron Rodgers performance thread

[gbgary]

Whatever he said or did must have worked:I still don't see where you provided any cites of AR12 throwing people by name under the bus. Most was inferred by the clickbait press or of him saying "we all need to do better."

it's not he press that's doing the inferring, it's Rodgers. he's the one saying week after week that they're not on the same page, not the press. it's true he doesn't name names, except once, when asked about how Janis was doing Rodgers said "he's still catching with his body."

 

[HardRightEdge]

So, somehow Rodgers has gone from a first ballot HOFer, or GOAT, or whatever legacy was being ascribed to him before the season started, to a problem to be solved? Do any of the following come into play in this disappointing season?

• Rodgers was visiibly gimped up the first 2/3 of the season limiting his mobility
• The O-Line has been a patchwork the back 1/3 of the season
• He's playing with a new TE and a couple of rookie WR

As for this last point, consider the following, https://www.packersnews.com/story/s...ves-packers-glimpse-his-potential/2409992002/, specifically:

"The ball came on time and Tonyan’s 11-yard reception from quarterback Aaron Rodgers kept an eventual eight-play, 94-yard touchdown drive going in a game the Packers eventually won in overtime."

Tonyan said, "It was nice because ‘12’ came up to me after the game and he was like, ‘Hey, could you see me because I couldn’t see you?’ So, it was perfect that he trusted me in that situation. It was nice. He read the defense and trusts you’re going to be in that spot on fourth and one.”

Looking at the replay, I think what Rodgers meant is his vision was obscured at the point of release as the DE stood tall just as he committted to the throw right at Tonyan's break. That was one play with one guy. Is it possible that kind of trust has been in short supply with these receivers? That might be a good guess, with rookies and a starting TE who is not exactly a savvy route runner.

So, Rodgers threw for 400 yards 3 times this season, bringing his total to 8 for his career including one in the playoffs.

The first two were back-to-back, and it was the first time in NFL history a QB accomplished that without throwing and interception. During those 3 games, Rodgers averaged 31 for 51, 61.4%, 8.6 yds. per attempt, 19.7 passing first downs, 2.3 TDs, 0 INTs, with a QB rating of 106.4 and an average of the ESPN QBRs for those games of 66.8. And what were the results?

L - DET - 31-23
W - SF - 33-30
W - NYJ - 44-38 in OT

These 30+ point opponents are not exactly offensive juggernauts. And the SF win needed two 4th. quarter scoring drives while the Jets win required three 4th. quarter drives and one in overtime. And the only reason the Jets went to overtime is becuase the ST and defense let them get in FG range to tie.

There was the 4th. quarter come-from-behind against Chicago in week 1. Again in week 2 against Minnesota which the defense surrendered in short order inside two minutes with a 2 point coversion adding insult to injury. Again against the Rams, then Scott punts 25 yards to the GB 40 setting up the winning FG, followed by the Montgomery gaffe. Again against Seattle, but the defense could not hold. Again against Arizona to tie in the 4th., but again the defense could not hold.

And the defense has not been particularly helpful in the turnover department, 26th. ranked with 15. It's a damn good thing Rodgers de-risked the passing game by assiduously avoiding picks and throwing balls away. The record could be a lot worse otherwise.

Unless you're going to blame him for being gimped up the first 2/3 of the season and somewhat limted now with the groin, given the above circumstances Rodgers is the last place to look for what ails.

 

[Deleted member 6794]

Here's a look at Rodgers numbers after 173 starts compared to other elite quarterbacks at the same point during their careers. I agree that he deserves some blame for the team struggling this season but you're a completely spoiled brat if you don't appreciate him possibly being the best to ever play the position.

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[thequick12]

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So, somehow Rodgers has gone from a first ballot HOFer, or GOAT, or whatever legacy was being ascribed to him before the season started, to a problem to be solved? Do any of the following come into play in this disappointing season?

• Rodgers was visiibly gimped up the first 2/3 of the season limiting his mobility
• The O-Line has been a patchwork the back 1/3 of the season
• He's playing with a new TE and a couple of rookie WR

As for this last point, consider the following, https://www.packersnews.com/story/s...ves-packers-glimpse-his-potential/2409992002/, specifically:

"The ball came on time and Tonyan’s 11-yard reception from quarterback Aaron Rodgers kept an eventual eight-play, 94-yard touchdown drive going in a game the Packers eventually won in overtime."

Tonyan said, "It was nice because ‘12’ came up to me after the game and he was like, ‘Hey, could you see me because I couldn’t see you?’ So, it was perfect that he trusted me in that situation. It was nice. He read the defense and trusts you’re going to be in that spot on fourth and one.”

Looking at the replay, I think what Rodgers meant is his vision was obscured at the point of release as the DE stood tall just as he committted to the throw right at Tonyan's break. That was one play with one guy. Is it possible that kind of trust has been in short supply with these receivers? That might be a good guess, with rookies and a starting TE who is not exactly a savvy route runner.

So, Rodgers threw for 400 yards 3 times this season, bringing his total to 8 for his career including one in the playoffs.

The first two were back-to-back, and it was the first time in NFL history a QB accomplished that without throwing and interception. During those 3 games, Rodgers averaged 31 for 51, 61.4%, 8.6 yds. per attempt, 19.7 passing first downs, 2.3 TDs, 0 INTs, with a QB rating of 106.4 and an average of the ESPN QBRs for those games of 66.8. And what were the results?

L - DET - 31-23
W - SF - 33-30
W - NYJ - 44-38 in OT

These 30+ point opponents are not exactly offensive juggernauts. And the SF win needed two 4th. quarter scoring drives while the Jets win required three 4th. quarter drives and one in overtime. And the only reason the Jets went to overtime is becuase the ST and defense let them get in FG range to tie.

There was the 4th. quarter come-from-behind against Chicago in week 1. Again in week 2 against Minnesota which the defense surrendered in short order inside two minutes with a 2 point coversion adding insult to injury. Again against the Rams, then Scott punts 25 yards to the GB 40 setting up the winning FG, followed by the Montgomery gaffe. Again against Seattle, but the defense could not hold. Again against Arizona to tie in the 4th., but again the defense could not hold.

And the defense has not been particularly helpful in the turnover department, 26th. ranked with 15. It's a damn good thing Rodgers de-risked the passing game by assiduously avoiding picks and throwing balls away. The record could be a lot worse otherwise.

Unless you're going to blame him for being gimped up the first 2/3 of the season and somewhat limted now with the groin, given the above circumstances Rodgers is the last place to look for what ails.

I don't blame Rodgers for being gimped but what I do blame him for is the same problem he's had all along. He still holds the ball too long. He is so careful about throwing ints that he costs the team with it sometimes. I get it's great that he never throws picks. But he had a record number of throw aways this season and is 4 sacks shy of breaking his franchise record of 51 in that department. So maybe just maybe it would have been a good idea to cut both those numbers down. Even if it means throwing a couple extra picks in the process. In my eyes the added good would far outweigh the bad.
Here's a perfect example. This is a 3rd and 5 from the Jets game. Rodgers takes a sack on this play eventually. But if we look at the pictures he has 80 wide open for the first down immediately after the snap. About 1 second after the snap he has 17 wide open on a slant for a huge gain Adams might still be running. But instead for some inexplicable reason Rodgers holds onto the ball and is engulfed by the defense.
Well I can't get the pics to upload which sucks because they illustrate this problem perfectly. Clearly Rodgers sees both graham and Adams he just chooses not to get rid of the ball. Maybe hes thinking he's gonna wait for someone else to get open but why? Just take what they give you. The throw to graham was a sure first down and to Adams a sure first down and maybe he turns it into a td. Those are the plays this team has been missing. Those are the 5 yard slants Greg jennings turned into touchdowns. I think if those plays start getting made this team wins a lot more games.
Ok I got the pics to load and you can clearly see that in the first graham has an easy first down. And Adams on the other side has clearly beaten the DB across his face. Rodgers just needs to let the ball go and it's a big play. In the 2nd pic you can see graham turn to face Rodgers and is all by himself. And Adams has a few yards on the trailing Db with nothing but green in front of him especially since the two recievers outside of graham have run their defenders deep

 

[Poppa San]

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I don't think he saw 17 & 80 open as he never turned his head from the two top receivers. He wanted the home run ball with MVS that never opened up.
In the first pic I see the OL pushed 5 yards back from the line. In the second they are over 8 yards back. Is this normal? I honestly never paid attention to it.

 

[thequick12]

1800 hire me as quaterback coach

I don't think he saw 17 & 80 open as he never turned his head from the two top receivers. He wanted the home run ball with MVS that never opened up.
In the first pic I see the OL pushed 5 yards back from the line. In the second they are over 8 yards back. Is this normal? I honestly never paid attention to it.

Not sure if that's normal thought that was weird too. I'm assuming it must be.
I get how he could of not seen 17 but 80 is right where he's looking and he's open for the 1st immediately. I also assume Rodgers was looking for the home run ball but why? Just take the easy first down to 80. Or throw the slant to Adams he's gonna have a gain of at least 20 yards before anyone gets close to him assuming Rodgers throws him a proper ball (leading 17). To me it's a really well designed play the top two totally cleared out that whole side of the field for Adams on the crosser

 

[Patriotplayer90]

#20 Rushing offense
#22 Scoring Defense

You just aren't going to win consistently without being able to run the ball, control the clock, or stopping anyone. We've been fooled into thinking we can because Rodgers has done just that, but he's the exception, not the rule.

I would take the approach that Indy has with Luck. Make a running game the first priority, after getting an OC who can run a balanced gameplan. As well as designed plays which get the ball out of Rodgers' hands quickly. It's going to take more than a year to fix this roster, but if we can keep the opposing offense off of the field, we will hide many of the issues.

I believe that Graham was a mistake and is a liability many downs that he's on the field. He's a big, average slot receiver now. I'd like a dual threat TE like the one out of Iowa to help in the run and the passing game. Have we had that, like, ever?

 

[Mondio]

I think the pass to 80 might have been more difficult than it looks. There are 2 linebackers in the throwing lane deep enough he’d have to put it over them or risk throwing it right to them or having it tipped. And I can see a shadow behind graham that tells me he couldn’t make it a bit of a floating pass either.

Many of those slants in the old days had the receiver get position on the defender and clear 1 defender in the lane and deliver the strike.

I think Adams was the better target, but maybe he never got to looking at that side of the field?

 

[longtimefan]

#20 Rushing offense
#22 Scoring Defense

You just aren't going to win consistently without being able to run the ball, control the clock, or stopping anyone. We've been fooled into thinking we can because Rodgers has done just that, but he's the exception, not the rule.

I would take the approach that Indy has with Luck. Make a running game the first priority, after getting an OC who can run a balanced gameplan. As well as designed plays which get the ball out of Rodgers' hands quickly. It's going to take more than a year to fix this roster, but if we can keep the opposing offense off of the field, we will hide many of the issues.

I believe that Graham was a mistake and is a liability many downs that he's on the field. He's a big, average slot receiver now. I'd like a dual threat TE like the one out of Iowa to help in the run and the passing game. Have we had that, like, ever?

Number 2 in yards per att rushing . It's there, just not utilized enough

 

[thequick12]

I think the pass to 80 might have been more difficult than it looks. There are 2 linebackers in the throwing lane deep enough he’d have to put it over them or risk throwing it right to them or having it tipped. And I can see a shadow behind graham that tells me he couldn’t make it a bit of a floating pass either.

Many of those slants in the old days had the receiver get position on the defender and clear 1 defender in the lane and deliver the strike.

I think Adams was the better target, but maybe he never got to looking at that side of the field?

Yes there are two linebackers there but if Rodgers throws to graham right away he could have even lead him up the field as there isnt a defender within 10/15 yards of graham in the 2nd pic. I'm not sure about the shadow but if you watch the actual video replay you can see the middle of the field is wide open. To me its an easy throw to graham or Adams but Rodgers chooses to wait for the deep route to maybe open up it doesn't and he gets crushed

 

[Mondio]

Ok, I didn’t watch a replay, and I’m guessing about who the shadow could have been.

And I agree about Adams, that was open

 

[Pokerbrat2000]

I don't think he saw 17 & 80 open as he never turned his head from the two top receivers. He wanted the home run ball with MVS that never opened up.
In the first pic I see the OL pushed 5 yards back from the line. In the second they are over 8 yards back. Is this normal? I honestly never paid attention to it.

Might look odd, but its pretty "normal" for the OL to drift back 3-4 yards after the ball is snapped, always trying to keep their man in front of them or take them off to the side as the pocket forms around Rodgers.

 

[HardRightEdge]

I don't think he saw 17 & 80 open as he never turned his head from the two top receivers. He wanted the home run ball with MVS that never opened up.
In the first pic I see the OL pushed 5 yards back from the line. In the second they are over 8 yards back. Is this normal? I honestly never paid attention to it.

It is evident the play call was for a deep look as Rodgers backpedals to a 10 yard drop. That allows the pass blockers to take to take a deeper set which is the easier block.

For anybody who has Game Pass, go look at the various replays and you'll see the analysis that came with these screen shots is a BUNCH OF CRAP. You can argue with the play call, but you can't argue Rodgers' execution of it.

Looking at #80 in that first screen shot you can see the defender's shadow. Rodgers is in backpedal. By the time he's in any position to throw. #80 is covered up. You can see how quickly that safety's shadow is closing on #80 in the second screen shot. The end zone replay will show you he's covered up. But that's irrelvant because #80 is not in the progression. His role is to clear out the safety for #17's under route.

Now look at the replay in real time and slow mo from behind the offense. Was Rodgers going to #17 for the checkdown? It looks like it. The blitz is coming from that side which would make #17 the go to guy. From the end zone view it looks like Rodgers is going there as #17 crosses the right hash.

What went wrong with this play? McCray is what's wrong. Go ahead and watch it in real time again. Rodgers didn't get to 2 seconds before the guy who whipped McCray off the snap was all over him. He never had a chance to get the ball away.

I don't detect anything that says Rodgers audibled to this play. With the deep drop, the deep look and the check down coming from across the field, the play design requires those 2.5 seconds. If you don't like the call, blame Philbin. If you don't like the execution blame McCray. Rodgers said recently he needs to trust the progression more. And that's what it looks like he's doing.

As an aside, watch Williams on this play and you'll see one reason why some of us like him. Since this is designed to be a slower developing play requiring those 2.5 seconds, Williams is in to block. He's spying the Mike. The Mike blitzes to the opposite side of the formation and Williams takes a half dozen slide steps to get to him and manages to get a solid shoulder on him. He had to give some ground not being able to get into optimal blocking position coming across. But it got the job done. Had McCray not blown his assignment there's enough room to make the throw.

 

[Pokerbrat2000]

analysis that came with these screen shots is a BUNCH OF CRAP.

So spot on and its scary how often you see talking heads and fans "break down" plays and try to say how it failed due to "this and that" based on still images. Pretending that the QB can just whip the ball out in a split second and deliver the ball on a dime in a split second, isn't taking into account physics or the limitations of the human brain, eyesight or physical abilities...not to mention the parts of the pictures conveniently cropped out....the defender closing in.

 

[HardRightEdge]

So spot on and its scary how often you see talking heads and fans "break down" plays and try to say how it failed due to "this and that" based on still images. Pretending that the QB can just whip the ball out in a split second and deliver the ball on a dime in a split second, isn't taking into account physics or the limitations of the human brain, eyesight or physical abilities...not to mention the parts of the pictures conveniently cropped out....the defender closing in.

I guess this needs to be said: play analysis from screen shots is BULLSH*T. The only reason people do it is because they feel compelled to show something or are paid to do so and they don't have a license to show actual footage.

 

[HardRightEdge]

So spot on and its scary how often you see talking heads and fans "break down" plays and try to say how it failed due to "this and that" based on still images. Pretending that the QB can just whip the ball out in a split second and deliver the ball on a dime in a split second, isn't taking into account physics or the limitations of the human brain, eyesight or physical abilities...not to mention the parts of the pictures conveniently cropped out....the defender closing in.

Another factor is whether the QB has a passing lane. You might see a play where the QB is looking at an open receiver, looks off him, and gets sacked. A replay from behind the QB might show the lane is not there or vision is obscured. Elsewhere I commented on Rodgers first down throw to Tonyan where Rodgers said he couldn't see him but trusted his route. If you look at this play, had McCray not gotten blown up, I'm not certain if Rodgers could even see Adams through the route, and it looks like he's waiting a split second for him to cross to a point where he has a lane toward the left side of the line. Regardless, McCray getting whipped doomed it from the start.

Most respondants to the poll in this thread's OP have concluded that the issue (if 5 or 6 percentage points off the completion percentage is an issue) is the lack of offensive support. We've talked about the rookie receivers, we've talked about Graham not getting in sync with his QB, we've talked about the O-Line injuries. But frankly, with all hands were on deck, this team went into the season with the Taylor/McCray guard pair which is the worst pass blocking pair in the Rodgers era. McCray losing his job to Bell helped matters some but not much. All these guys can run block, but that isn't what we're talking about here, is it?

At a minimum, an upgrade at RG is needed, and frankly that should not be very hard to accomplish with the low bar. I believe Spriggs might be that guy.

 

[thequick12]

It is evident the play call was for a deep look as Rodgers backpedals to a 10 yard drop. That allows the pass blockers to take to take a deeper set which is the easier block.

For anybody who has Game Pass, go look at the various replays and you'll see the analysis that came with these screen shots is a BUNCH OF CRAP. You can argue with the play call, but you can't argue Rodgers' execution of it.

Looking at #80 in that first screen shot you can see the defender's shadow. Rodgers is in backpedal. By the time he's in any position to throw. #80 is covered up. You can see how quickly that safety's shadow is closing on #80 in the second screen shot. The end zone replay will show you he's covered up. But that's irrelvant because #80 is not in the progression. His role is to clear out the safety for #17's under route.

Now look at the replay in real time and slow mo from behind the offense. Was Rodgers going to #17 for the checkdown? It looks like it. The blitz is coming from that side which would make #17 the go to guy. From the end zone view it looks like Rodgers is going there as #17 crosses the right hash.

What went wrong with this play? McCray is what's wrong. Go ahead and watch it in real time again. Rodgers didn't get to 2 seconds before the guy who whipped McCray off the snap was all over him. He never had a chance to get the ball away.

I don't detect anything that says Rodgers audibled to this play. With the deep drop, the deep look and the check down coming from across the field, the play design requires those 2.5 seconds. If you don't like the call, blame Philbin. If you don't like the execution blame McCray. Rodgers said recently he needs to trust the progression more. And that's what it looks like he's doing.

As an aside, watch Williams on this play and you'll see one reason why some of us like him. Since this is designed to be a slower developing play requiring those 2.5 seconds, Williams is in to block. He's spying the Mike. The Mike blitzes to the opposite side of the formation and Williams takes a half dozen slide steps to get to him and manages to get a solid shoulder on him. He had to give some ground not being able to get into optimal blocking position coming across. But it got the job done. Had McCray not blown his assignment there's enough room to make the throw.

You'd be a very forgiving coach.
Watch the replay Rodgers absolutely had time to throw the ball. And 80 is open from the snap til Rodgers is hit. Same for 17 pretty much the 2 receivers on the top of the screen are never open. There is no rule that says he has to take his whole drop before throwing first of all. And second at the point of the first screenshot rodgers has completed his drop and is bouncing in place. Meaning to throw in rythm at the point of the first screenshot is when he should have thrown it. And like I said clearly at that point both 80 and 17 are wide open.
Now I'm sure you're correct about the progression thing because I can't tell where Rodgers is looking. But I guess my point is how about we look at the guy who is wide open for an easy throw shouldn't that be the point of each and every play ? Identify the guy who is wide open and throw him the ball instead of standing there waiting for deep routes to come open when your guards suck and pressure is coming from the middle. Especially when you only need 5 yards, yeah if its 3rd and 20 I get it you kinda gotta wait for the deeper routes but 3rd and 5 why not take the easy first down.
And this is just one play. I've seen this happen countless times and if you got to the game or watch the all 22 I'm sure you see it even more.
So bro put those all 22 screenshots up that show Rodgers couldn't get rid of that ball. Let's see em?

 

[HardRightEdge]

You'd be a very forgiving coach.
Watch the replay Rodgers absolutely had time to throw the ball. And 80 is open from the snap til Rodgers is hit. Same for 17 pretty much the 2 receivers on the top of the screen are never open. There is no rule that says he has to take his whole drop before throwing first of all. And second at the point of the first screenshot rodgers has completed his drop and is bouncing in place. Meaning to throw in rythm at the point of the first screenshot is when he should have thrown it. And like I said clearly at that point both 80 and 17 are wide open.
Now I'm sure you're correct about the progression thing because I can't tell where Rodgers is looking. But I guess my point is how about we look at the guy who is wide open for an easy throw shouldn't that be the point of each and every play ? Identify the guy who is wide open and throw him the ball instead of standing there waiting for deep routes to come open when your guards suck and pressure is coming from the middle. Especially when you only need 5 yards, yeah if its 3rd and 20 I get it you kinda gotta wait for the deeper routes but 3rd and 5 why not take the easy first down.
And this is just one play. I've seen this happen countless times and if you got to the game or watch the all 22 I'm sure you see it even more.
So bro put those all 22 screenshots up that show Rodgers couldn't get rid of that ball. Let's see em?

If I could put more than 1 disagree on this post I would. The play call and the progression for that play call are evident. And frankly, I don't believe you actually looked at the replays.

You can't even read the screen shots right. He hasn't finished his drop in shot 1. His feet are crossed in the backpedal. Shot 2 shows he's set 2 yards deeper than in shot 1.

And here we are, looking at suspect analysis of one failed play in a game where the QB did what he did and put up the numbers he did with a messed up O-Line. "Sheesh" wouldn't capture the half of it.

This is one of the last plays someone should want to use to illustrate a Rodgers "mistake".

 

[HardRightEdge]

Yes there are two linebackers there but if Rodgers throws to graham right away he could have even lead him up the field as there isnt a defender within 10/15 yards of graham in the 2nd pic. I'm not sure about the shadow but if you watch the actual video replay you can see the middle of the field is wide open. To me its an easy throw to graham or Adams but Rodgers chooses to wait for the deep route to maybe open up it doesn't and he gets crushed

That's not the play call. And he got crushed under 2 seconds.

 

[HardRightEdge]

So bro put those all 22 screenshots up that show Rodgers couldn't get rid of that ball. Let's see em?

I already told you...screen shots are bullsh*t.

 

[Pokerbrat2000]

If Rodgers was wearing a helmet cam, allowing people to see what he sees and people were privy to the play call that he was trying to execute as well, I would be more on board with all of the "based on this video/screen shot he should have done this or that." Anyone ever watch Nascar? I really don't, but have seen the cams from inside the cars and what the drivers are seeing and reacting to, is much different than what the normal cams are showing from above.

 

[HardRightEdge]

If Rodgers was wearing a helmet cam, allowing people to see what he sees and people were privy to the play call that he was trying to execute as well, I would be more on board with all of the "based on this video/screen shot he should have done this or that." Anyone ever watch Nascar? I really don't, but have seen the cams from inside the cars and what the drivers are seeing and reacting to, is much different than what the normal cams are showing from above.

Yeah. But I'm sure Patrick Mahomes would change the play call in his head mid-dropback and ditch the progression before the play begins to develop.

 

[Heyjoe4]

I don't think he saw 17 & 80 open as he never turned his head from the two top receivers. He wanted the home run ball with MVS that never opened up.
In the first pic I see the OL pushed 5 yards back from the line. In the second they are over 8 yards back. Is this normal? I honestly never paid attention to it.

“In the first pic I see the OL pushed 5 yards back from the line.”

This seemed to be all too common this year, especially on the right side of the O line and especially if Spriggs was in rather than Bulaga. I can’t blame Rodgers for having a case of the yips after all the sacks this year. Yeah, some of them were his fault, but not all. And for most of the season, he was stuck with MM’s uncreative game planning. I know he can change the play, but I think he only does that after he’s read the defense. I think for the most part he respects the game plan and the call.

For all of those clamoring that Rodgers a) had a really bad year, b) is in decline, and/or c) worries more about pics than completions, I say, rubbish. Is there anyone out there who wouldn’t want 12 behind center for GB?

There are a lot of moving parts on any team. For GB, I’m more concerned with the play of the edge rushers, STs, safeties, and the O line than I am with Rodgers.

 

[thequick12]

If I could put more than 1 disagree on this post I would. The play call and the progression for that play call are evident. And frankly, I don't believe you actually looked at the replays.

You can't even read the screen shots right. He hasn't finished his drop in shot 1. His feet are crossed in the backpedal. Shot 2 shows he's set 2 yards deeper than in shot 1.

And here we are, looking at suspect analysis of one failed play in a game where the QB did what he did and put up the numbers he did with a messed up O-Line. "Sheesh" wouldn't capture the half of it.

This is one of the last plays someone should want to use to illustrate a Rodgers "mistake".

I did man, I made those screenshots from the replay. I don't have all 22 access but just from watching TV replay you can see both guys are wide open. Yes the pressure was quick but a quick throw beats it.
I guess our argument is I blamed Rodgers when in fact it was the progression that was to blame. I'm just saying whatever is to blame there next time how about the ball goes to 17

 

[Heyjoe4]

If Rodgers was wearing a helmet cam, allowing people to see what he sees and people were privy to the play call that he was trying to execute as well, I would be more on board with all of the "based on this video/screen shot he should have done this or that." Anyone ever watch Nascar? I really don't, but have seen the cams from inside the cars and what the drivers are seeing and reacting to, is much different than what the normal cams are showing from above.

Well said. No camera shot (other than a body cam) is going to give the same perspective Rodgers’ has on any given play. With this O line, he hasn’t had the time to take a breath and move through his reads as he has in other years.

The O line issues will get fixed in the off season and Rodgers will return to form. He’s the least of my concerns with this team.