The Aaron Rodgers performance thread

[longtimefan]

Pretty much all year, last year, back in 2015, these things keep being said. As far as missing throws and not quite being Aaron Rodgers, yes he's part of the problem this year, BUT i never see these guys quit on each other. it seems so many others see that. Every game that doesn't go well, every play that isn't successful. They've quit, they suck, they quit on Rodgers, they quit on the coach, etc. I've seen mistakes, missed opportunities, breakdowns in scheme, missed blocks, dropped passes, frustration, but I've never seen guys quit on each other or this team. Well other than Dix and he's gone.

I've said same thing..

 

[Poppa San]

Pretty much all year, last year, back in 2015, these things keep being said. As far as missing throws and not quite being Aaron Rodgers, yes he's part of the problem this year, BUT i never see these guys quit on each other. it seems so many others see that. Every game that doesn't go well, every play that isn't successful. They've quit, they suck, they quit on Rodgers, they quit on the coach, etc. I've seen mistakes, missed opportunities, breakdowns in scheme, missed blocks, dropped passes, frustration, but I've never seen guys quit on each other or this team. Well other than Dix and he's gone.

Dix made business decisions on the field. Marty B just quit. Wanted to go to IR didn't he?

 

[Mondio]

I have repressed that memory, he's not worth keeping in any of my remaining brain cells

 

[swhitset]

Dix made business decisions on the field. Marty B just quit. Wanted to go to IR didn't he?

Business decisions require at least some degree of intelligence. Applying that to Dix is beyond generous.

 

[PackAttack12]

@Un4GivN

@Quientus

2 players pretty much say he is leading.. Are you still denying it?

Wasting your time. They’re gonna choose to stay in their own world lol

 

[Quientus]

Wasting your time. They’re gonna choose to stay in their own world lol

1) Merry Christmas.

2) We’ve never said Rodgers hasn’t “lead” ... - most the players on the Packers (and coaches, former an present) dont throw eachother under the bus (in public) ... - however - that still doesnt make Rodgers a Leader though ...

3) I’ve never said the players Quit ... only that they (seemingly) dont play as hard (especially in adversity) for Rodgers and the team, as Favres teams did ...

4) Some of you can think what you want, but when more than 5+ former teammates insinuate that the supposed Leader is lacking some “leadership” ... - usually, were there is smoke there is fire, but Hey ... keep dreaming that he is the “Godgers” you want him to be ... Lol - again, its the usual ... whenever ppl disagree with you ...

 

[longtimefan]

1) Merry Christmas.

2) We’ve never said Rodgers hasn’t “lead” ... - most the players on the Packers (and coaches, former an present) dont throw eachother under the bus (in public) ... - however - that still doesnt make Rodgers a Leader though ...

3) I’ve never said the players Quit ... only that they (seemingly) dont play as hard (especially in adversity) for Rodgers and the team, as Favres teams did ...

4) Some of you can think what you want, but when more than 5+ former teammates insinuate that the supposed Leader is lacking some “leadership” ... - usually, were there is smoke there is fire, but Hey ... keep dreaming that he is the “Godgers” you want him to be ... Lol - again, its the usual ... whenever ppl disagree with you ...

Who said godgers?

And I can dig out more quotes to equal your 5..

 

[Do7]

1) Merry Christmas.

2) We’ve never said Rodgers hasn’t “lead” ... - most the players on the Packers (and coaches, former an present) dont throw eachother under the bus (in public) ... - however - that still doesnt make Rodgers a Leader though ...

3) I’ve never said the players Quit ... only that they (seemingly) dont play as hard (especially in adversity) for Rodgers and the team, as Favres teams did ...

4) Some of you can think what you want, but when more than 5+ former teammates insinuate that the supposed Leader is lacking some “leadership” ... - usually, were there is smoke there is fire, but Hey ... keep dreaming that he is the “Godgers” you want him to be ... Lol - again, its the usual ... whenever ppl disagree with you ...

I find it funny you're saying Rodgers throws people under the bus and when I asked you to give evidence, you have YET to provide evidence as to when such an event happen.

You said Rodgers throws his teammates under the bus, and you have yet to give an example along with everything else.

You claimed how I acted like Rodgers could do no wrong, and yet I provided you evidence where I openly criticized him.

The problem with your argument is that you have made statements while providing little to no evidence to back up your claim, and the evidence you provided has already been countered if not by me than by someone else. I find it hilarious you didn't respond to that post I did, I assume it's b/c you don't have a leg to stand on in regards to making a decent argument.

Now you're saying there's 5 teammates, please name these 5. I'll throw you a bone and help you start with Jennings and Finely. I will say however that with the number of 5 players, there have been plenty of amount of players that spoke positive of Rodgers as a player and a leader. One of which is a future HOF.

All of us here have been critical of Rodgers because of his poor play, this year, as that is why we're in this situation now. Everything else, you say or claim, apparently that hasn't been an issue for The Packers in the past b/c they were winning. I even recall someone else telling you this and yet you refuse to accept this. I believe it was @PackerfaninCarolina that even said this. I could be wrong.

How about you defend your arguments for a change. Either put up or shut up.

 

[gbgary]

i've never questioned these aspects of his leadership (guts, dedication, desire, physical sacrifice). these aspects bug me though...the increasing prima donna factor (that the Packers have enabled), his undermining of McCarthy, the resistance to change his game, and his bad body language. i believe the contract extension was premature (especially coming off a throwing-arm injury) and too much considering his age. i never thought he was THE problem but there's no doubt he's been A problem in some respects. maybe the new regime can have some positive effects and get some positive results considering.

 

[Do7]

i've never questioned these aspects of his leadership (guts, dedication, desire, physical sacrifice). these aspects bug me though...the increasing prima donna factor (that the Packers have enabled), his undermining of McCarthy, the resistance to change his game, and his bad body language. i believe the contract extension was premature (especially coming off a throwing-arm injury) and too much considering his age. i never thought he was THE problem but there's no doubt he's been A problem in some respects. maybe the new regime can have some positive effects and get some positive results considering.

Again with the Prima Donna stuff...Alright I'll bite how was this a problem when The Packers were winning?

Bare in mind we're learning about most of this stuff in regards to "undermining McCarthy" this year. But what I find strange is we are the same group of people that has called out McCarthy for his poor play calling and his inability to adjust, so which one is it?

Poor body language? Can we please stop with this "body language" crap? Seriously considering how much falls on his shoulder and the load he's been carrying, hell yeah I'd be frustrated too if others can't do there job. How many times have Rodgers costed us games as opposed to the defense or some blunder by someone else? All QB's get frustrated, let's not go overboard with this. And please do not say anything regarding about rallying the team, because Rodgers has done that time and time and time again. And that goes into leadership, something which people accuse Rodgers lacks which is simply untrue.

Let's not also forget these are grown men, Rodgers shouldn't have to coddle them. Just like he holds himself accountable, he expects the same from others. B/c that's what it takes to win. In other words do your job. Rodgers hasn't done that this year hence why I understand people criticizing him in regards to his play on the field.

Adjust his game? In what regard? Typically his game was fine, it's just this year where his game and decision making I thought was questionable. What did you mean by this?

Rodgers has earned every penny of that contract in my opinion, especially for carrying the load he has this past decade.

Again none of this would've been an issue if we were winning as it hasn't been an issue in the past. It's just the fact that we had a losing season. If all of what you said had played a factor into us losing and missing the playoffs then I'd agree, but that wasn't the case.

 

[Deleted member 6794]

Yes and hard to complain much about #17, but his YPC has never been off the charts, nor has his catch rate or YAC. All that said, I am very happy to have him in Green Bay.

Adams is definitely not a deep threat but his career average of 12.1 yards per reception is pretty decent. In addition he's middle of the pack in yards after catch per receptions in the league this season.

which is fine. the result was a record number of first downs. they kept the chains moving and got results. something we haven't seen in a long time.

Well, only four completions to Adams resulted in a first down vs. the Jets.

 

[I asked LT to delete my acct]

Adams is definitely not a deep threat but his career average of 12.1 yards per reception is pretty decent. In addition he's middle of the pack in yards after catch per receptions in the league this season.



Well, only four completions to Adams resulted in a first down vs. the Jets.

I'll settle for 12yards a carry as long as it's consistent, and going forward.

 

[elcid]

I have to agree with the @Quientus, @gbgary and @Un4GivN . The fact that Rodgers is leading now, seemingly more motivated and dedicated then ever this season, doesn't prove anything. First of all, since there is mounting pressure on Rodgers (not only by Packer fans but now also more by the media) continuing to sulk would only confirm these sentiments spoken out by critical fans such as myself. Plus, there is nothing left to sulk about because the season is done anyway.

Furthermore, like mentioned before, what separates a 'leader' from a 'true leader' is that a true leader also leads, motivates and encourages his team through adversity. With playoff chances becoming increasingly jeopardised, we didn't see this at all from Rodgers. What we did see was an increase in negative hand gestures towards team mates and officials. An increase in digs towards his coaches. Basically, on the pitch, Aarod always seemed to radiate: "it's not me, it's *insert scapegoat here.*" Occasionally it has been the fault of either his receivers, his o-line, or the gameplan. But not all the time. I would have liked Aarod to throw his hand up and go "my bad" from time to time. But he simply hasn't.

And of course I understand his frustration. The offense, which posters like @brandon2348 mentioned, has barely been invested in for years. Aarod has all the right to be disappointed in this. However, I would have loved for Aaron not to express this frustration towards the late round rookie receivers who were thrown into the line up due to injuries. But to reserve these thoughts either for himself, or direct them in a respectful manner towards the FO after the game/season. And preferably, privately. On and off the field, I want to see an actual captain who cares about morale. I want to see his team mates follow him because they adore him: Because he motivates them and he has the team's best interest at heart. Not solely because he is the walking football god and you do NOT want to disgruntle him.

About the quotes: Personally, I give more credibility to the words of former teammates who are not tied to the organisation anymore and hence do not directly benefit from painting a prettier picture than what is truthful. Do you guys really think that if younglings like Jamaal Williams, or even respected veterans like David Bakhtiari, were to be of the opinion that Aaron has certain character flaws, they would publicly speak up about it? Give me a break.

Don't get me wrong, as the unquestioned star player and leader of the team Rodgers has every right to be critical, including calling out the lack of effort in practice by the receivers. However, on the field, what I would like is for him to be as critical on his own play as he is on that of his teammates. What I would like for him is not to single out anyone, and most notably, to keep the morale high when the final whistle has not blown yet.

Throughout the years multiple factors have kept Aaron Rodgers from returning to the SB. This year, his own play has been one of them. I would have liked to see him be aware of this fact not only at the press conferences after, but also when he was on the pitch himself.


EDIT: Merry Christmas fellow Packer fans

 

[Pokerbrat2000]

Personally, I give more credibility to the words of former teammates who are not tied to the organisation anymore and hence do not directly benefit from painting a prettier picture than what is truthful.

Out of curiosity, who are these players you speak of? Also, are you sure they are absolutely speaking the truth or just their opinion through their filters? Any quotes from Jordy Nelson on Rodgers?

 

[XPack]

I think AR's ability to "understand" or "get in sync" with a new player is getting troublesome. We've seen cases where in a team buys a new WR and he immediately shines in next game. Never happens with us. New WRs rarely get targeted and AR clearly prioritizes certain players over rest...makes it easy on defence to know whom to concentrate on.

 

[PackAttack12]

We're talking about a group of players that are completely irrelevant to the Packers, and have been for an incredibly long time. Jennings and Finley we all know about. Donald Driver came out at one point and tried defending comments that Jennings made about Rodgers, but was ultimately respectful and polite in regards to Rodgers and what he's accomplished.

What has Nelson, Cobb, Adams, Allison, Graham, Bennett, Cook, etc (some of which are former Packers now) said about Rodgers? We're concerned about **** that was said from players that haven't played for the Packers several years.

Okay, fine. A very small handful of guys have taken shots at Rodgers. What Packers player has been overly critical of Rodgers in recent years?

 

[PackAttack12]

I think AR's ability to "understand" or "get in sync" with a new player is getting troublesome. We've seen cases where in a team buys a new WR and he immediately shines in next game. Never happens with us. New WRs rarely get targeted and AR clearly prioritizes certain players over rest...makes it easy on defence to know whom to concentrate on.

This is a fair criticism. Unlike the mindless babbling from most.

 

[Poppa San]

However, I would have loved for Aaron not to express this frustration towards the late round rookie receivers who were thrown into the line up due to injuries. But to reserve these thoughts either for himself, or direct them in a respectful manner towards the FO after the game/season.

Whatever he said or did must have worked:

And one of the things that jumped out in the Packers’ 44-38 win over the New York Jets is that for all the position groups that general manager Brian Gutekunst will have to address this offseason, wide receiver is one position he won’t.
Rookies Equanimeous St. Brown and Marquez Valdes-Scantling combined for 10 catches for 169 yards against the Jets and showcased how far they’ve come along in their rookie seasons as receivers and complete football players.

I still don't see where you provided any cites of AR12 throwing people by name under the bus. Most was inferred by the clickbait press or of him saying "we all need to do better."

 

[Pokerbrat2000]

I think AR's ability to "understand" or "get in sync" with a new player is getting troublesome. We've seen cases where in a team buys a new WR and he immediately shines in next game. Never happens with us. New WRs rarely get targeted and AR clearly prioritizes certain players over rest...makes it easy on defence to know whom to concentrate on.

While that has been a knock on #12 for awhile now, there is also two sides to the story. Who are these WR's that #12 can't get in sync with? Jeff Janis? Jared Abbredaris? Are said players going on to have great careers with other QB's? Yes, it took a season or two for Rodgers to get in sync with our most productive WR's, but these were also guys that were learning the playbook and playing in the NFL as they proved themselves to have the talent to stick. Personally, I think way too much is made of "this issue". Give Rodgers talented players and watch what happens. Give Rodgers crap to work with and expect miracles and a calm QB, I think you are expecting too much.

 

[Do7]

We're talking about a group of players that are completely irrelevant to the Packers, and have been for an incredibly long time. Jennings and Finley we all know about. Donald Driver came out at one point and tried defending comments that Jennings made about Rodgers, but was ultimately respectful and polite in regards to Rodgers and what he's accomplished.

What has Nelson, Cobb, Adams, Allison, Graham, Bennett, Cook, etc (some of which are former Packers now) said about Rodgers? We're concerned about **** that was said from players that haven't played for the Packers several years.

Okay, fine. A very small handful of guys have taken shots at Rodgers. What Packers player has been overly critical of Rodgers in recent years?

Donald Driver only said Rodgers holds people accountable, he was in no way speaking negative about Rodgers, he even said so via Twitter.

@PackAttack12
Other names to include are TJ Lang, AJ Hawk, Josh Sitton, John Khun, and future HOF Charles Woodson.

@elcid I respectfully disagree:

1. There is no difference between a leader and true leader in this case. Rodgers has proven to lead by example. His way has proven to work as the team has been winning up until this year. Every person leads differently. I'll use Drew Brees as a case and point. Drew Brees from my understanding is everyone's definition of a true leader, and yet we forget that he's had several seasons that he went 7-9 and missed the playoffs as to Rodgers who has been a model of consistency. Is he still a true leader after failing to get his team through adversity? Brees is still a true leader in spite of that.
Preference in the how someone leads should not factor as to whether or not they are a true leader, as Rodgers' way of leading has proven to be successful outside this year. So one bad year gives and now he isn't a true leader?

2. Who's to say Rodgers hasn't gotten to the FO and voiced his concerns and whatnot. Plus with the combination of the FO getting rid of his QB coach, someone who he greatly respected, and Jordy Nelson, a trusted vet and one of Rodgers most trusted receivers and close friend, that just snowballs into more and more that ultimately falls on him. Plus he's voiced previous players like Jared Cook for example, and yet they didn't listen, and look how well he is doing for Oakland despite there record. He knows he's going to have to build chemistry which is gonna take time, and yet he's expected to put up a lot of points. Hence why when asked he gave an honest assessment to where they were as with the season coming up and he's pretty much coming in with a new group of receivers outside Adams, Cobb, and Allison, two of which who have both been AWOL and injured. Again what I find strange is that people excuse Brady and Manning for yelling at teammates and coaches, and yet they're true leaders and adored and yet it's a problem when Rodgers shows a bit of frustration. Again there have been plenty of former players who have enjoyed playing under Rodgers and have spoken highly of him. Refer to @PackAttack12 and my posts regarding who has related to people who have spoken well in regards to Rodgers.

3. I agree that in regards to Rodgers play on the field is the only thing we should be criticizing him over, but let's not pretend he doesn't acknowledge his **** poor performance and where he could've done better at the podium after the game. Because he's the first person to blame himself especially when he plays poorly. He holds himself accountable, and not once has he thrown a teammate under the bus at the podium.

Rodgers can be difficult, but people that are dedicated to success and winning are. Success is hard to maintain and Rodgers understands that. I'll gladly follow him any day.

 

[gonzozab]

Ryan Hollins, whoever he is, seems to think this is all Rodgers fault. Then again, he also said Giannis isn't an MVP caliber player.

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[Pokerbrat2000]

Ryan Hollins, whoever he is, seems to think this is all Rodgers fault. Then again, he also said Giannis isn't an MVP caliber player.

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Ryan Hollins who? Oh yes, a former basketball player with a career average of 3.7ppg Damien Woody, who I have never heard of either, at least made more sense.

 

[Deleted member 6794]

Do you guys really think that if younglings like Jamaal Williams, or even respected veterans like David Bakhtiari, were to be of the opinion that Aaron has certain character flaws, they would publicly speak up about it? Give me a break.

Bakhtiari definitely has a ton of respect for Rodgers, repeatedly mentioning this week that he will be out there competing as long as #12 is starting even while nursing a hip injury. In addition he played with a significantly beat up ankle to protect Rodgers blindside in 2015. To me, that's speaks volume about what the locker room thinks of the franchise quarterback and therefore couldn't care less about former Packers taking a shot at him.

I think AR's ability to "understand" or "get in sync" with a new player is getting troublesome. We've seen cases where in a team buys a new WR and he immediately shines in next game. Never happens with us. New WRs rarely get targeted and AR clearly prioritizes certain players over rest...makes it easy on defence to know whom to concentrate on.

Who are those players you're talking about who excel in their first game with a new team??? While Valdes-Scantling and St. Brown haven't put up huge numbers you have to realize that most rookie receivers struggle during their first season. It might surprise you that both MVS and EQ rank within the top 15 first year WRs in receptions and yards this season.

 

[Mondio]

I don't see all these leadership and locker room problems. They aren't always playing great, but it's not because of lack of effort, or putting it out there for each other. After a season like this, with the expectations and what has transpired you see teams barking at coaches, barking at each other pointing fingers and looking like anything but a team. THIS team, has not done that. They've had each other's backs. They put it out there for each other. It might not be great performance, but they certainly are a team. That speaks to the leadership and the locker room despite the lack of wins

 

[rmontro]

I don't see all these leadership and locker room problems.

It's nothing winning won't solve.