The Aaron Rodgers performance thread

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Pokerbrat2000

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In addition Rodgers didn't convene the press conference but was answering a question during his mandatory media availability. But I get it, people aren't able to deal with criticism anymore but get offended by everything.

That needs to be put on a plaque and hung above doorways. ;)

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That needs to be put on a plaque and hung above doorways. ;)

Why over the doorway? So people with insufficient vertical directionaltude won't see it. I am offended by the way you treat the vertically challenged members of our society. Next I suppose you will attack the gravitationaly enhanced.
 

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Some of those it's almost like it was on purpose. Not a throw away! But literally decided, let's see if I can make this look bad
 

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Over the off season really gotta build chemistry with rest of the WRs instead of Adams. Along with the HC installing a fresh playbook to make Rodgers go though progressions instead of looking for Adams only.
 

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Over the off season really gotta build chemistry with rest of the WRs instead of Adams. Along with the HC installing a fresh playbook to make Rodgers go though progressions instead of looking for Adams only.
Agreed and if you noticed, #12 was mostly looking for #17 early on and we fell behind. Once that changed and he started spreading the ball around....good things happened. For awhile there I though "WTF.....are you just trying to get Davante his record?" Hard to complain though, when Davante is making catches and getting yards.
 

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Rodgers is trying to make too many back-foot, off balance, against his body throws. He was the best at making those throws in years past, but it's obvious he's on the downhill and is hurting the team doing that. But he seems to be in denial about it.
 
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Agreed and if you noticed, #12 was mostly looking for #17 early on and we fell behind. Once that changed and he started spreading the ball around....good things happened. For awhile there I though "WTF.....are you just trying to get Davante his record?" Hard to complain though, when Davante is making catches and getting yards.

I got the impression that Rodgers was solely looking for Adams to break the franchise's single season receptions record as well. He finished with only 6.5 yards per catch yesterday.
 

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I got the impression that Rodgers was solely looking for Adams to break the franchise's single season receptions record as well. He finished with only 6.5 yards per catch yesterday.
Yes and hard to complain much about #17, but his YPC has never been off the charts, nor has his catch rate or YAC. All that said, I am very happy to have him in Green Bay. :D
 

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I was beginning to wonder after all of that complaining. :p
LOL....I hated to posted it, because it did kind of sound like a I was putting him down, but when I looked up his rankings, I was a bit surprised. His pure "metrics" besides TD's and maybe yards aren't over the top impressive, but those are two big stats. Safe to say he is just a "sneaky good WR" who leads the league in targets?
 

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But that was after the Redskins game when the Packers dropped to 4-6, similar situation to what the Packers were in after 10 games of this season. You mentioned in that thread that you had been talking about his lack of leadership since last year (which at the time would have been 2015). Why is that relevant? Because that's when Rodgers' historically great play sort of fell off (after 6 games).

So again, my point is simple. Why is Aaron Rodgers' "lack of leadership" only a problem with the team is losing? He's always been the same guy. Since he became a starter, he's always been the same guy. You can like it or hate it or whatever, but that's the reality of the situation.

All I'm saying is that his demeanor, or leadership style, whatever you want to call it, is NOT the reason the Packers are losing football games. And this stuff is almost never brought up when the team is winning. Why now?

Makes no sense to me.
Your characterization of his play in those first 6 games in 2015... is flat out wrong. There was a big debate in here about what was wrong with the offense during those WINs as well. I’m tired of the argument that says people are only critical when the team loses. Many saw and discussed this stuff honestly while the team was still winning.

It is possible for some of us to recognize that Aaron Rodgers is not perfect, while still being very glad he is the Packers’ QB. I am optimistic that his play will improve next year.
 
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Yes and hard to complain much about #17, but his YPC has never been off the charts, nor has his catch rate or YAC. All that said, I am very happy to have him in Green Bay. :D
His Y/R are in the same neighborhood as Larry Fitzgerald. HE made a long career out of those stats. Debate will soon begin if longevity along with above average numbers is enough to get him to Canton.
 

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Your characterization of his play in those first 6 games in 2015... is flat out wrong. There was a big debate in here about what was wrong with the offense during those WINs as well. I’m tired of the argument that says people are only critical when the team loses. Many saw and discussed this stuff honestly while the team was still winning.
If that's what your interpretation of that year tells you, then so be it. But it's tough to argue with the numbers.....

First 6 games:

68.13% completion percentage
15 TDs / 2 INTs
114.23 passer rating
27.33 points per game

Last 10 games:

57.17% completion percentage
16 TDs / 6 INTs
81.07 passer rating
20.40 points per game

That's more than looking at "just wins and losses". That's factual information.

I don't remember all of those games early on in the season, I do remember though that Aaron Rodgers and the Packers offense tore the Seattle Seahawks apart, who finished as the #1 defense in the NFL in terms of points allowed and #2 in the NFL in terms of yards allowed that season. Then Aaron Rodgers went and slung 5 TD passes the very next week against the Kansas City Chiefs on Monday Night Football. I remember every single MNF analyst from Trent Dilfer, to Steve Young, Jon Gruden, etc. raving about the complete control that Rodgers exhibited in every facet of playing the quarterback position that night.

First 6 games, 4 of them he had a passer rating of 100+. Last 10 games, not a single one above 100.

Now in the last two games of the initial 6 game stretch, they weren't overly impressive by Aaron Rodgers' all time great standards, but most definitely the first 3 or 4 were more than solid performances. And even in those last two games, the Packers scored 24 and 27 points respectively. Saying that the entire 2015 season was a dud (paraphrasing) is incorrect.

To differentiate the number of games to the stretch of his career that I'm alluding to is splitting hairs. Not surprising that you're picking a bone about it though.

Rodgers' numbers, and the team's performance, nose dived that season and it didn't start in the first month or month and a half of the season.
 

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If that's what your interpretation of that year tells you, then so be it. But it's tough to argue with the numbers.....

First 6 games:

68.13% completion percentage
15 TDs / 2 INTs
114.23 passer rating
27.33 points per game

Last 10 games:

57.17% completion percentage
16 TDs / 6 INTs
81.07 passer rating
20.40 points per game

That's more than looking at "just wins and losses". That's factual information.

I don't remember all of those games early on in the season, I do remember though that Aaron Rodgers and the Packers offense tore the Seattle Seahawks apart, who finished as the #1 defense in the NFL in terms of points allowed and #2 in the NFL in terms of yards allowed that season. Then Aaron Rodgers went and slung 5 TD passes the very next week against the Kansas City Chiefs on Monday Night Football. I remember every single MNF analyst from Trent Dilfer, to Steve Young, Jon Gruden, etc. raving about the complete control that Rodgers exhibited in every facet of playing the quarterback position that night.

First 6 games, 4 of them he had a passer rating of 100+. Last 10 games, not a single one above 100.

Now in the last two games of the initial 6 game stretch, they weren't overly impressive by Aaron Rodgers' all time great standards, but most definitely the first 3 or 4 were more than solid performances. And even in those last two games, the Packers scored 24 and 27 points respectively. Saying that the entire 2015 season was a dud (paraphrasing) is incorrect.

To differentiate the number of games to the stretch of his career that I'm alluding to is splitting hairs. Not surprising that you're picking a bone about it though.

Rodgers' numbers, and the team's performance, nose dived that season and it didn't start in the first month or month and a half of the season.
He was MVP of the league the start of the season.
That is when he hurt his knee.. He had off season surgery. It wasn't reported but my source told me about it and I posted it..
 

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Another thing is Rodgers once again brought the team back from victory, but it doesn't count b/c it's not against a team with a winning record? The way I see it clutch is clutch. No matter who it's against.
 

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I got the impression that Rodgers was solely looking for Adams to break the franchise's single season receptions record as well. He finished with only 6.5 yards per catch yesterday.
which is fine. the result was a record number of first downs. they kept the chains moving and got results. something we haven't seen in a long time.
 

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But that's always glossed over in regards to leadership.
 

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Pretty much all year, last year, back in 2015, these things keep being said. As far as missing throws and not quite being Aaron Rodgers, yes he's part of the problem this year, BUT i never see these guys quit on each other. it seems so many others see that. Every game that doesn't go well, every play that isn't successful. They've quit, they suck, they quit on Rodgers, they quit on the coach, etc. I've seen mistakes, missed opportunities, breakdowns in scheme, missed blocks, dropped passes, frustration, but I've never seen guys quit on each other or this team. Well other than Dix and he's gone.
 
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