The Aaron Jones 2021 FA thread.

[longtimefan]

poll is back open

 

[Pokerbrat2000]

I suspect he fired and hired a new agent when it came to be that an easy in house resigning was off the table and he'd be hitting the open market. Just my suspicion.

I would love to know how the whole agent thing plays out. I thought I remember reading that there is a cap of 3% (of salary) that an agent can charge in the NFL. But is that over the lifetime of the contract, each year, on incentives, etc?

Jones switched over to Drew Rosenhaus on Dec. 14th as his agent, that probably isn't a good sign for the Packers, in that Rosenhaus is very good at getting top dollar for his clients.

If the Packers wanted to keep Jones, they would have been better off having him switch to Jake and State Farm, maybe they could have gotten the "Rodgers Rate".

 

[tynimiller]

poll is back open

The crucial aspect of this whole thing is "should they" it'd be 100% yes if it were worded "Do you want"

 

[GleefulGary]

Why do you keep beating this drum ? It`s not going to change anything and as a mod, you have to set an example. I have no personal issue with you, even if you think I have, but you`re like a dog with a bone. It is what it is. Let it go !

Because I think I’m allowed to respond to criticism directed at myself? Because I asked a poster that I like to tell me if I’m wrong in my self assessment?

If you look at the responses between Brat and I, I think you’ll find the “personal attacks” are quite one sided. I think I’m allowed to defend my opinion. I think I’m allowed to defend the way I communicate.

 

[I asked LT to delete my acct]

Because I think I’m allowed to respond to criticism directed at myself? Because I asked a poster that I like to tell me if I’m wrong in my self assessment?

If you look at the responses between Brat and I, I think you’ll find the “personal attacks” are quite one sided. I think I’m allowed to defend my opinion. I think I’m allowed to defend the way I communicate.

And YOU can use the ignore feature as a moderator.

 

[GleefulGary]

And YOU can use the ignore feature as a moderator.

Why would I? As a moderator, I should have to see everything everybody posts. A moderator ignoring someone implies bias.

There is nothing wrong with how I responded. I saw something I disagreed with, and I gave my opinion on the matter. In fact, I believe that’s what message boards are about.

The poster who has me on ignore then decided to insult myself and another poster, and your criticism comes down on me for responding? That’s pretty funny Billy.

Have a great day!

 

[I asked LT to delete my acct]

Why would I? As a moderator, I should have to see everything everybody posts. A moderator ignoring someone implies bias.

There is nothing wrong with how I responded. I saw something I disagreed with, and I gave my opinion on the matter. In fact, I believe that’s what message boards are about.

The poster who has me on ignore then decided to insult myself and another poster, and your criticism comes down on me for responding? That’s pretty funny Billy.

Have a great day!

Well we both know the truth, so you have a great day too !

 

[Jerellh528]

Guys, it’s just an Internet message board. No need to take everything so serious lol. I feel like this board is a little more pretentious, and sometimes condescending relative to others around the web. In the words of the great Aaron Rodgers, RELAX

 

[GleefulGary]

The tweet in this thread mention corey as the other option

Corey?




lol

 

[Mondio]

Corey?




lol

Dillon, obviously

 

[GleefulGary]

Dillon, obviously

Corey Dillon is about to join the roster with Davantae Adams, Aaron Rogers, and Jerry Alexander.

 

[Pkrjones]

Back in October A. Jones was a priority signing with that top-5 offer, but when he refused it they will (IMHO) spend cap $ elsewhere.
- Doubt Linsley re-signs as he's now the #1 OC in the league.
- Tonyan has proven VERY valuable and will need a new contract. With Jimmy Graham getting $8Mil/yr. as the #8 highest paid TE and Tonyan being younger, a better blocker AND better receiver I'm guessing his contract basement would be $8Mil/yr, probably closer to $10Mil (putting him at #5 highest paid TE).

The projected '21 Salary cap is approx. $180Mil putting the Packers $28Mil OVER the cap before re-signing anyone else. If I'm Gute I'd consider re-signing Tonyan tomorrow, and then start looking at cap-casualties to get under the cap (Kirksey, P. Smith, Lowry and MVS) & still field a solid team.

FYI ~ Adam's contract is up after the '21 season so $$ needs to be "reserved" to re-sign him at some point.

 

[Poppa San]

and MVS

MVS will NOT be a cap casualty. Cheap rookie contracts for 5th rounders are how teams survive in the salary cap era. I wouldn't be surprised to see him extended to lower his upcoming $2m cap hit.

 

[Pokerbrat2000]

Depending on what they do with other contracts and how they sit in regards to the cap, I won't be surprised at all to see the Franchise Tag placed on Aaron Jones. It isn't something that the Packers normally use and I doubt AJ would like it too much. However, maybe $10,835,000 is a number the Packers can justify and along with it tell AJ "lets see where the Cap goes for 2022".

 

[tynimiller]

IF they franchise him who we cutting Turner or Amos?

Cuz if the cap washes out at 180 say, cut Lowry, Burks, Kirksey, Wagner and Preston - and tag Jones...you're still not gonna hit cap with rest of roster fill out/draft.

 

[Pokerbrat2000]

IF they franchise him who we cutting Turner or Amos?

Cuz if the cap washes out at 180 say, cut Lowry, Burks, Kirksey, Wagner and Preston - and tag Jones...you're still not gonna hit cap with rest of roster fill out/draft.

I don't think its necessarily a "Turner or Amos?" thing. There are other ways to spread the Cap hit of contracts out. Instead of us trying to figure that out, I will leave that up to Russ Ball. Hell, Aaron Rodgers and Bahk may say "lets keep the band together, restructure me".

Also, its pretty obvious that if they were offering him a contract at around what $12M? They had a plan worked out for the cap. Of course, there is no way to structure a 1 year franchise tag that I know of, other than let it hit the books at full value.

 

[PikeBadger]

I heard since he turned it down we've offered the same deal to MVS to lock him up....




(sit back and watch heads explode)

This is absolutely classic. Funniest post of the year!

 

[mradtke66]

Of course, there is no way to structure a 1 year franchise tag that I know of, other than let it hit the books at full value.

That’s the trick. A 12million per year average deal could count for only 4million in year 1 depending on how the structure is laid out, how the bonuses, if any are applied. Signing bonuses are over the life of the contract. Roster bonuses are 1 year only.

hypothetically, let’s say the Jones offer was 5 years, 60 million. Just cuz nice round numbers.

So 12 million per year average. Let’s say only a 8 million signing bonus. Year 1 and 2, vet minimum. Let’s say 700k per year, again for easy numbers.

His cap got is only 2.3 million for each of those first two years. Easy to afford.

let’s the assume the balance of that 60 million is salary. 1.6m in bonus per year for cap reasons and the remaining 50.05m over three years. Hello ballon cap hit. Roughly 16.8 in salary cap hit plus the bonus portion. Almost 18.5 million total hit. He’s likely cut.


While this is a slightly absurd example, it hopefully it illustrates 2 points.

1. We need the multi year flexibility to sign a player like Jones. The franchise tag would wreck the cap for one year.

2. The lack of guarantees means that 12million average is funny money. A backloaded contract without a signing bonus means that a 5 year 60million deal is really only 2 year, 10.4million dollar deal.

 

[Deleted member 6794]

Tonyan has proven VERY valuable and will need a new contract. With Jimmy Graham getting $8Mil/yr. as the #8 highest paid TE and Tonyan being younger, a better blocker AND better receiver I'm guessing his contract basement would be $8Mil/yr, probably closer to $10Mil (putting him at #5 highest paid TE).

The Packers can most likely retain Tonyan for next season by placing a second round tender on him for less than $4 million.

Depending on what they do with other contracts and how they sit in regards to the cap, I won't be surprised at all to see the Franchise Tag placed on Aaron Jones.

As mentioned by some other posters the Packers don't have enough cap space for next season to franchise tag on Jones with the entire money paid to him counting against th

 

[sschind]

That’s the trick. A 12million per year average deal could count for only 4million in year 1 depending on how the structure is laid out, how the bonuses, if any are applied. Signing bonuses are over the life of the contract. Roster bonuses are 1 year only.

hypothetically, let’s say the Jones offer was 5 years, 60 million. Just cuz nice round numbers.

So 12 million per year average. Let’s say only a 8 million signing bonus. Year 1 and 2, vet minimum. Let’s say 700k per year, again for easy numbers.

His cap got is only 2.3 million for each of those first two years. Easy to afford.

let’s the assume the balance of that 60 million is salary. 1.6m in bonus per year for cap reasons and the remaining 50.05m over three years. Hello ballon cap hit. Roughly 16.8 in salary cap hit plus the bonus portion. Almost 18.5 million total hit. He’s likely cut.


While this is a slightly absurd example, it hopefully it illustrates 2 points.

1. We need the multi year flexibility to sign a player like Jones. The franchise tag would wreck the cap for one year.

2. The lack of guarantees means that 12million average is funny money. A backloaded contract without a signing bonus means that a 5 year 60million deal is really only 2 year, 10.4million dollar deal.

IMO its pretty easy to see why a player like Jones wouldn't go for a deal like that. I wouldn't blame him for turning it down. I don't know what kind of guaranteed money Jones is looking for but its going to take a lot more than the 1 year average of the contract.

To be clear no one is saying that was the deal offered radtke was just giving an example and I was commenting on that example.

 

[Poppa San]

This is absolutely classic. Funniest post of the year!

We're only 2 weeks in. Wait until next season predictions roll in when the schedule is released or after we don't draft the "media pundits say we gotta have him" player in the draft.

 

[Dieseljunkie12]

IMO its pretty easy to see why a player like Jones wouldn't go for a deal like that. I wouldn't blame him for turning it down. I don't know what kind of guaranteed money Jones is looking for but its going to take a lot more than the 1 year average of the contract.

To be clear no one is saying that was the deal offered radtke was just giving an example and I was commenting on that example.

And that is why I would gather he got the big dog agent. He should certainly get top dollar with him, and I would imagine Jones is no dummy and he knew how backloaded the contract was. I also think the deal while financially makes sense for us, could be construed as a slap in the face for Jones.

 

[tynimiller]

And that is why I would gather he got the big dog agent. He should certainly get top dollar with him, and I would imagine Jones is no dummy and he knew how backloaded the contract was. I also think the deal while financially makes sense for us, could be construed as a slap in the face for Jones.

If Jones takes it as a slap, it is purely his agent's fault for not elaborating or making sure he understood why the organization had to offer it in such a manner. Fiscally we have our credit cards cut, our wallet is neary empty and that $20 in there atm has to pay for gas, somekind of dinner and keep the wife happy.

 

[mradtke66]

If Jones takes it as a slap, it is purely his agent's fault for not elaborating or making sure he understood why the organization had to offer it in such a manner. Fiscally we have our credit cards cut, our wallet is neary empty and that $20 in there atm has to pay for gas, somekind of dinner and keep the wife happy.

Ha!

If anything, a larger signing bonus would allow it spread his cap hit out further, making him more affordable in 2021.

That doesn't mean it's a good idea or a bad one.

 

[tynimiller]

Ha!

If anything, a larger signing bonus would allow it spread his cap hit out further, making him more affordable in 2021.

That doesn't mean it's a good idea or a bad one.

Oh no doubt, I think the biggest issue is the organization is still figuring out precisely what cuts are going to happen....evaluating that scenario and knowing exactly what they will do could trigger a revisit with Jones.