Studs n Duds vs The Bears

[Pokerbrat2000]

If we are suggesting MLF needs supervision then he really is not HC material. I hate saying it cuz I personally like the guy but his players and staff shouldn't be messing up like this is week 18.

I didn't use the word "supervision", I think another poster might have. What I did say was that he is wearing too many hats. Look around the league, not all successful coaches also try to call plays (offense or defense). Yes, they can, but MLF has proven time and again, that he isn't efficient doing it.

No reason he can't be involved with the offense during practice, meetings, etc., but when it comes to game time, I strongly think another person should be dedicated to that task. That isn't supervision of MLF, it is just spreading out the duties, to hopefully better the team.

 

[Magooch]

I can kinda see why we played starters. We had a chance to nab the #6 seed ( of course once Washington won it didn't matter). I think Love will be okay. Who among us is surprised about Watson getting hurt yet again? Not having Doubs may have been a reason why Watson played. It is glaringly evident we need a true #1 WR who can consistently get open and keep opposing DCs up at night.

Yeah, I can't be that bothered by it.

You're still going to have a hard time convincing me that going to LA or Washington wouldn't have been preferable to going to Philly.

More than that though, finishing as the #7 seed guarantees that if we do manage beat Philly, we're now locked into traveling to Detroit in the next round. Hypothetically, if we got the #6 seed and the Commanders got the #7 seed* and they managed to beat Philly (as they just did recently), then Washington would travel to Detroit and we would instead play Minnesota/LA/Tampa/etc (however it shakes out). In other words: finishing as the #7 seed guarantees we will need to face the top two seeds. Finishing as the #6 seed allows for the (slim) possibility of avoiding both top seeds.

And I know people will (mistakenly) claim that "you have to beat the best to be the best" or other cliches, but it's awfully tough for me to make a case that getting locked in to facing the top 2 seeds doesn't put you at a distinct disadvantage compared to possibly avoiding them.

*Now obviously with a Washington win this possibility was removed. But this wasn't determined at the time of our matchup and we couldn't have accounted for it in our game preparation one way or another.

With regards to injuries, it sure looks like Love just had a funny bone or something and should be totally fine - he was warming up seemingly preparing to go back in when it looked for a minute there like Willis was hurt. ( And if we really believed this was a meaningless game and thought Love wasn't 100% good to go and were STILL having him possibly warm up to get back in the game, then our management is utterly incompetent and should be shown the door ).

And Watson, let's be real...God bless the guy but he was probably just as likely to get injured by a strong breeze on the tarmac upon arriving in Philly as he was getting hurt by suiting up today. I don't know if there's any degree of "load management" that can prevent him from picking up random knocks at this point.

 

[gopkrs]

More than that though, finishing as the #7 seed guarantees that if we do manage beat Philly, we're now locked into traveling to Detroit in the next round. Hypothetically, if we got the #6 seed and the Commanders got the #7 seed* and they managed to beat Philly (as they just did recently), then Washington would travel to Detroit and we would instead play Minnesota/LA/Tampa/etc (however it shakes out). In other words: finishing as the #7 seed guarantees we will need to face the top two seeds. Finishing as the #6 seed allows for the (slim) possibility of avoiding both top seeds.

Well at least we'll be playing two teams that could have a little rust at the start.

 

[Pokerbrat2000]

Well at least we'll be playing two teams that could have a little rust at the start.

Better yet, we can knock out the 2 favored teams and our path to the Super Bowl becomes easier! NFCCG in LA sounds kind of fun!

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[Pokerbrat2000]

STUDS!!!! Sean Rhyan

Just realized......and to follow up on this post from last week.....Rhyan had EXACTLY 65 snaps yesterday (as did the offense).

I think this game means a few million things to Sean Rhyan!

Rhyan is hoping to be financially aided by the proven performance escalator (PPE) program to better compensate non-first-round players on rookie contracts who play a starting share of snaps for their franchise.

Rhyan has to play at least 65 snaps tomorrow, to hit a 35 percent mark over three years. If Rhyan only plays 64 snaps, the guard will make $1.13 million in 2025 instead of $3.05 million.

 

[Pokerbrat2000]

HUGE DUD!

It's official....Watson tore his ACL....."and additional damage."

Packers' Christian Watson Tears ACL

The non-contact injury Christian Watson sustained Sunday has produced a worst-case scenario for the Packers. Ahead of their playoff outing, …

www.profootballrumors.com

 

[mradtke66]

HUGE DUD!

It's official....Watson tore his ACL....."and additional damage."

Packers' Christian Watson Tears ACL

The non-contact injury Christian Watson sustained Sunday has produced a worst-case scenario for the Packers. Ahead of their playoff outing, …

www.profootballrumors.com

I was worried about that. Non-contact trying to run his route...it more or less meant one thing.

 

[Pokerbrat2000]

I was worried about that. Non-contact trying to run his route...it more or less meant one thing.

Yup and this will just amp up the noise that LaFleur and the team are already hearing for playing key starters. If there was 1 starter that Matt should have sat, it was Watson. He's been having issues all season staying healthy, he wasn't fully recovered from his left knee injury and now you put him out there on a freezing cold day?

 

[mradtke66]

Yup and this will just amp up the noise that LaFleur and the team are already hearing for playing key starters. If there was 1 starter that Matt should have sat, it was Watson. He's been having issues all season staying healthy, he wasn't fully recovered from his left knee injury and now you put him out there on a freezing cold day?

I'd honestly defend playing Watson in this game. He missed a few games and this was an easy way to ease him into shape before the playoffs.

ACLs like this can just happen. Hell, they can happen in pre-game warmups. I sincerely doubt anything that happened this week directly contributed to the injury.

 

[Schultz]

I can kinda see why we played starters. We had a chance to nab the #6 seed ( of course once Washington won it didn't matter). I think Love will be okay. Who among us is surprised about Watson getting hurt yet again? Not having Doubs may have been a reason why Watson played. It is glaringly evident we need a true #1 WR who can consistently get open and keep opposing DCs up at night.

I have trouble blaming Watson's injury on the decision to play him. It was a non contact situation. Pack medical staff are usually very cautious so I do not believe it was a he came back to soon sort of thing. If not yesterday than at practice next week or in the Philly game. They can now game plan without him.

 

[Schultz]

I didn't use the word "supervision", I think another poster might have. What I did say was that he is wearing too many hats. Look around the league, not all successful coaches also try to call plays (offense or defense). Yes, they can, but MLF has proven time and again, that he isn't efficient doing it.

No reason he can't be involved with the offense during practice, meetings, etc., but when it comes to game time, I strongly think another person should be dedicated to that task. That isn't supervision of MLF, it is just spreading out the duties, to hopefully better the team.

There are hundreds of guys who bet NFL games their whole lives who put these high paid coaches to shame when it comes to clock management. Go find one and pay him to help MLF out.

 

[tynimiller]

I’m embarrassed and sick at some of the **** I see Packer fans out there commenting and saying about Watson. That young man has done a TON to be out there and contribute in the off season, and damnit the freak non contact ACL injury just isn’t fair for him.

Insane. Big time rooting for him to make an incredible comeback when the time comes.

 

[GBkrzygrl]

HUGE DUD!

It's official....Watson tore his ACL....."and additional damage."

Packers' Christian Watson Tears ACL

The non-contact injury Christian Watson sustained Sunday has produced a worst-case scenario for the Packers. Ahead of their playoff outing, …

www.profootballrumors.com

When I saw him go down clutching his knee that's the first thing I thought of. The guy can't catch a break. Even if he hadn't played yesterday. Who's to say that it wouldn't have happened this week?

 

[pacmaniac]

I'd honestly defend playing Watson in this game. He missed a few games and this was an easy way to ease him into shape before the playoffs.

ACLs like this can just happen. Hell, they can happen in pre-game warmups. I sincerely doubt anything that happened this week directly contributed to the injury.

I would agree with this. In 2011, Greg Jennings missed the final 3 games of the regular season. Early in the second half of the playoff game against the Giants, Jennings was wide open in the end zone and had a perfectly thrown deep ball go right through his hands. Would have been a huge TD to get the Packers back into the game. But apparently he was too rusty to catch it.

 

[milani]

Duds: Matt Lafleur (clock management) and Jeff Hafley (defense on the last play)

Help me understand how you can put this defense out there and leave the middle of the field this wide open with no pass rush when they need 15 yards to get in FG range.

The only defensible reason is that you really didn’t care if you won this game and you wanted not to put your “real scheme” on film for the playoffs. I don’t believe that was the case.

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That might be the defense you use if the opponent is down by 4 or more to prevent the long one. Not when you have a 1 point lead. And I believe this came after a timeout.

 

[milani]

When I saw him go down clutching his knee that's the first thing I thought of. The guy can't catch a break. Even if he hadn't played yesterday. Who's to say that it wouldn't have happened this week?

Reminded me of Jordy Nelson in 2015 preseason. Ran straight out and gotcha.

 

[Team Ronny]

Duds: Matt Lafleur (clock management) and Jeff Hafley (defense on the last play)

Help me understand how you can put this defense out there and leave the middle of the field this wide open with no pass rush when they need 15 yards to get in FG range.

The only defensible reason is that you really didn’t care if you won this game and you wanted not to put your “real scheme” on film for the playoffs. I don’t believe that was the case.

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This has been a reoccurring theme .if the other team has the ball, with under 2 minutes in a close game, the Packers defense will fold!

 

[Magooch]

That might be the defense you use if the opponent is down by 4 or more to prevent the long one. Not when you have a 1 point lead. And I believe this came after a timeout.

That’s exactly what I was thinking/saying yesterday. Like… it felt like when we got the ball back LaFleur thought we needed a TD to win and coached accordingly. And then when the Bears got the ball back it was like Hadley thought we could only lose if Chicago scored a TD, too. Would’ve made perfect sense with a different score line but alas…

 

[gopkrs]

This has been a reoccurring theme .if the other team has the ball, with under 2 minutes in a close game, the Packers defense will fold!

I guess the d coach just gets scared. Just absurd. 3 man rush and Valentine said he played where he was told. Chicken **** defense

 

[adambr2]

I guess the d coach just gets scared. Just absurd. 3 man rush and Valentine said he played where he was told. Chicken **** defense

Yeah, I’m not putting any of that play on Valentine. They left him on an island against the Bears’ best receiver.

I will repeat for emphasis. The Packers, who were only rushing 3 and thus dropped 8 into coverage, somehow had no schematic help over the middle for Valentine despite 8 players dropped into coverage.

This isn’t a “players need to execute” situation. They executed the play they were given. It was 100% a schematic failure, on par with Mike Pettine/Kevin King/Tampa Bay NFCCG level of failure.

 

[rmontro]

Better yet, we can knock out the 2 favored teams and our path to the Super Bowl becomes easier! NFCCG in LA sounds kind of fun!

Yeah, I could see us beating Philly and Detroit, only to lose to the Rams in LA. That would be about our luck.

Well, I can't actually see it, because I doubt we would beat both Philly and Detroit. Admittedly, I am in pessimistic mode, but I haven't seen much in the last two weeks to fill me with confidence.

 

[OldSchool101]

MLF for almost every decision he made on Sunday, starting with playing his starters. I am not someone wanting Matt fired, I believe he is a very good coach, but either he becomes the OC and someone else is the HC or he hands the OC hat over to someone else.

You guys know I’ve been vocal all season about clock Mismanagement as it pertains to end of each half. We even kissed away 30 seconds in the first half and we had 3 timeouts that never got used!! Granted we were at our 11 yard line. However Bears were playing prevent and if you properly mix quick passes on crossers towards sideline you could potentially get 5 plays off for ~50 yards total (you need the Bears39) and still have 1-2 seconds before calling the last of 3 Timeouts. From there it’s long 56 but it’s a possibility with Brandon.

Let me ask this question. If GB was at their own 11 yard line needing a FG to Win and they had 3 Timeouts and 30 seconds, would we run up the middle for +4 and then let the clock run down and expire?
Then why did we kneel on it before Halftime?? That’s exactly what happened. We had at maximum 5 plays of 5-6 seconds each and only 3/5 would need to get out of bounds. (2 Timeouts+1 for Teams).

Can a WR or RB run 16 yards
(10 vertical +6 yards lateral out of bounds) in about 5-6 seconds each? Then why give up? Look below..
how many timeouts did we offer up?

Even if you misjudged it the first play. You still had :26 seconds left and 2 Timeouts had you burned a TO at our 15 yard line after this +4 Run. That’s still 5 plays to get 46 yards.

 

[adambr2]

Yeah, I could see us beating Philly and Detroit, only to lose to the Rams in LA. That would be about our luck.

Well, I can't actually see it, because I doubt we would beat both Philly and Detroit. Admittedly, I am in pessimistic mode, but I haven't seen much in the last two weeks to fill me with confidence.

I would like to say that beating Philly, even if followed by a loss at Detroit, would be a success, but I can’t imagine beating Philly and then not wiping that smirk off Zadarius Smith’s face. So at least win those two. Except I can’t imagine winning those two and then losing to the Vikings on their road to the Super Bowl.

So I guess we will just have to win all three. With slightly less pain if the loss is to the Rams or Bucs or Commanders.

 

[rmontro]

So I guess we will just have to win all three. With slightly less pain if the loss is to the Rams or Bucs or Commanders.

Anything is possible, but I'm at the point where they're going to have to show me. I'll say this: We're due for a good game.

 

[adambr2]

Anything is possible, but I'm at the point where they're going to have to show me. I'll say this: We're due for a good game.

Yeah, don’t get me wrong, my expectations are minimal, which kind of sucks because that’s not where I was at this time last year, or even 2 weeks ago.