Stop with the Montgomery blame

[Forget Favre]

Not when it's a team sport and there were so many other variables that could have decided a better outcome for us.
Like making on target throws and catches.
Bigger yards on runs.
Getting more first downs.
Stopping the faked punt.
Throwing it out of the end zone to prevent the safety.
Better D that would have kept them from scoring at least 27 points.

And even if he had taken the knee, who knows what would have happened?
Not getting a first down.
An INT or a pick six.
A different player gets the ball forced out for a fumble.

Let's not forget that it takes a complete team to win the game and it's not all on one player when they lose.

I dunno. I guess I'm one of the few or the only one who is willing to overlook Ty for all the blame around here and I won't change my mind on that.

 

[Mike McCarthy]

Not when it's a team sport and there were so many other variables that could have decided a better outcome for us.
Like making on target throws and catches.
Bigger yards on runs.
Getting more first downs.
Stopping the faked punt.
Throwing it out of the end zone to prevent the safety.
Better D that would have kept them from scoring at least 27 points.

And even if he had taken the knee, who knows what would have happened?
Not getting a first down.
An INT or a pick six.
A different player gets the ball forced out for a fumble.

Let's not forget that it takes a complete team to win the game and it's not all on one player when they lose.

I dunno. I guess I'm one of the few or the only one who is willing to overlook Ty for all the blame around here and I won't change my mind on that.

Are you Ty’s dad?

 

[Mike McCarthy]

Welcome to the forum mr Montgomery

 

[Snoops]

I mean I get what the dude saying butttttttt I mean come on... we ALLLLLL know that game is Monty’s FAULT PERIOD regardless of the game went before that...

 

[Snoops]

If I was coach his *** would have been cut right then and there also wouldn’t have let him on the plane back to Green Bay either.. I’m dead *** too

 

[lambeaulambo]

Forget Favre is that you hamburglar?

Any team on the planet would take Rodgers at the 25 with 1 time out and 2 minutes left in the game to get 3 or 7 pts and seal the win. The what if game can be played a myriad of different ways. The absolute instant 88 fielded the ball in the end zone should have been a no brainer, but to 88 it was smarter to return it out of end zone, lose a stoppage of play, cut into the time needed to go for the win?

It never should've came to that though according to your rationale - but that is exactly what the situation was. For you to defend the reality of that moment is absolutely ridiculous.

Let me ask you, if you were 88, what would you have done?

I thought so - not what he did.

 

[swhitset]

Forget Favre is that you hamburglar?

Any team on the planet would take Rodgers at the 25 with 1 time out and 2 minutes left in the game to get 3 or 7 pts and seal the win. The what if game can be played a myriad of different ways. The absolute instant 88 fielded the ball in the end zone should have been a no brainer, but to 88 it was smarter to return it out of end zone, lose a stoppage of play, cut into the time needed to go for the win?

It never should've came to that though according to your rationale - but that is exactly what the situation was. For you to defend the reality of that moment is absolutely ridiculous.

Let me ask you, if you were 88, what would you have done?

I thought so - not what he did.

I agree with your post... but am not so sure about your final assumption.

 

[I asked LT to delete my acct]

I would totally agree with the sentiment of cutting him some slack but not after reading about him acting like a petulant child. Bostik showed a degree of class after his screw up, he held his hand up and I felt sorry for him because of it, he was human. Montgomery seems to have said "Screw you" and done his own thing.

 

[Deleted member 6794]

Not when it's a team sport and there were so many other variables that could have decided a better outcome for us.
Like making on target throws and catches.
Bigger yards on runs.
Getting more first downs.
Stopping the faked punt.
Throwing it out of the end zone to prevent the safety.
Better D that would have kept them from scoring at least 27 points.

And even if he had taken the knee, who knows what would have happened?
Not getting a first down.
An INT or a pick six.
A different player gets the ball forced out for a fumble.

Let's not forget that it takes a complete team to win the game and it's not all on one player when they lose.

I dunno. I guess I'm one of the few or the only one who is willing to overlook Ty for all the blame around here and I won't change my mind on that.

Once again, there's no doubt the Packers could have been leading the game if some plays have gone the other way at that point of the game.

But Montgomery prevented them from having a chance to win it by ignoring instructions from the coaching staff trying to return the kickoff out of the end zone.

BTW after reading the thread title I had to think of this doozy:

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[RicFlairoftheNFL]

I gave you the red X because you got this totally wrong. Players are TRAINED to do as told unless they know beyond the shadow of a doubt they can make a positive outcome. There's no way Montgomery new that when he took that first forward step. Also you're right at least one other thing factored in to this loss, but you missed what it was. Mike McCarthy's incompetence! Bad post! We all have had them, you'll do better next time.

 

[Pokerbrat2000]

Can I change my name to "Forget Monty"?

 

[Snoops]

He traded to the ravens

 

[gbgary]

Stop with the Montgomery blame

ok

 

[sschind]

I gave you an agree not because I don't think Monty Screwed up but because I firmly believe that one play can never cost the game. I don't blame Crosby for the tie in the vikings game either. If you are blaming Ty for this one you have to blame Crosby for that one. Heck probably even more so because if he makes that kick we do win not have a chance to win. There are what? Maybe 150 plays a game and you are going to say 1 of them cost the game? I don't buy it.

I was thinking when they were getting ready to kickoff that we were going to win this game. I felt Rodgers was going to pull another one out of his ...hat. but obviously that all changed when Montgomery fumbled. Not when he brought the ball out but when he fumbled. Had he not fumbled I think we would have won. Had he not brought the ball out I think we would have won but I still won't blame the loss on him because the only way you can do that is to say that no one else made a mistake during the game.

I understand the hatred over not taking a knee against coaches instruction but too many thing happen during a football game to blame any loss on 1 single play.

 

[MadCat]

He didn't cost us the game. We were losing. Everything that happened up to the point of us finding ourselves behind yet again at the end of a game is why we lost. He cost us an opportunity to score. That's all any lost fumble, thrown interception, dropped interception, failed 3rd down conversion, missed field goal, muffed onside kick, boneheaded playcalling during a set of downs, or safety costs. Hopefully he and his family will enjoy living somewhere where they won't have to worry about being threatened by fans. Because of a missed opportunity. Pathetic.

 

[Packer96]

With that one play he lost his standing in the locker room. It matters more what the people in that room think a lot more than people like us in a Packer forum think. His teammates turned on him, and they have a better perspective than any of us of what truly happened before, during, and after the play. He had to go.

 

[Packer Brother]

He didn't cost us the game. We were losing. Everything that happened up to the point of us finding ourselves behind yet again at the end of a game is why we lost. He cost us an opportunity to score. That's all any lost fumble, thrown interception, dropped interception, failed 3rd down conversion, missed field goal, muffed onside kick, boneheaded playcalling during a set of downs, or safety costs. Hopefully he and his family will enjoy living somewhere where they won't have to worry about being threatened by fans. Because of a missed opportunity. Pathetic.

He directly lost us the game. That play put the nail in the coffin for good.

 

[Deleted member 6794]

He directly lost us the game. That play put the nail in the coffin for good.

Montgomery didn't lose the game for the Packers but prevented them for having an opportunity to win.

 

[Packer Brother]

Montgomery didn't lose the game for the Packers but prevented them for having an opportunity to win.

His play ensured we had zero chance to get the ball again. Thus, it effectively ended the game than and there. So he did lose it.

 

[Deleted member 6794]

His play ensured we had zero chance to get the ball again. Thus, it effectively ended the game than and there. So he did lose it.

It wasn't Montgomery's fault that the Packers weren't up by two scores at that point though.

 

[Packer Brother]

It wasn't Montgomery's fault that the Packers weren't up by two scores at that point though.

Right. But Rodgers had just carved up the D on two consecutive drives. The game was still in doubt.

 

[Pokerbrat2000]

I think most of us are beating a dead horse here, but there is a HUGE difference between a receiver dropping the ball, a QB missing a throw, a holding penalty, etc. and what Monty did. Look at the context of how the "mistake" was made. Most mistakes in football are as a result of fundamental mistakes made by a player. Monty's mistake of fumbling isn't what is being questioned here, it is what led to the fumble. His "mistake" was one of mentally deciding to ignore a direct order from his coach to "down the ball in the end zone" Implied in that order was "this will assure #12 and the offense of an opportunity to win the game and conserve the 2 minute warning timeout".

 

[Deleted member 6794]

Right. But Rodgers had just carved up the D on two consecutive drives. The game was still in doubt.

Don't get me wrong, I wanted Montgomery gone after his decision to return the kickoff prevented the Packers from having a chance to win the game. But he didn't lose it.

 

[Poppa San]

I think most of us are beating a dead horse here...

Yep

Don't get me wrong, I wanted Montgomery gone ...

And so he is so this debate is no longer relevant.

Fresh start, clean slate, mutually beneficial, yadda yadda yadda.