Should the Packers Consider trading for Isabella

[Deleted member 6794]

Maybe the Eagles will trade Travis Fulgham back to us?

I was thinking exactly the same when I saw Fulgham catch that touchdown yesterday

 

[GleefulGary]

That definitely didn't help and IMO at that moment, Gute should have made a move. What bothers me now, is our top 2 guys go down, there are still FA's like Taylor Gabriel and Paul Richardson out there that are "free" to sign and we are bringing guys up from the Practice Squad? Now maybe a Taylor Gabriel isn't an instant upgrade because it will take him some time to catch on with the offense and Rodgers, but come December and the Playoffs, I would much rather see him on the field VS. a guy that has little or no experience in the NFL.

Perhaps there is a reason no NFL team has signed those guys? If they're the upgrade you think they are, then at least one team should have interest, yes?

 

[Pokerbrat2000]

I was thinking exactly the same when I saw Fulgham catch that touchdown yesterday

Yes and I honestly had never heard of the guy. I was saying that mostly in jest. Because I am pretty sure the Packers would not have released him had he been better than the guys they kept.....right?

 

[gopkrs]

I'm optimistic but tonight is going to be interesting.

 

[thequick12]

I don't know why people keep saying that about that play. Look at it again. He slipped on a slippery field right at the wrong time.

Now you understand about shepherd? You see him cost the team another td against the falcons. He's open for easy touchdown and what happened? Oh he ran his route just a wee bit too short and then fell down untouched just a wee bit before the goaline...jag play if I ever saw one

 

[Mondio]

I would have liked to see that get replayed. I remember them showing 1 replay and that ball may have broke the plane as he rolled before being touched. But I never saw another replay, so maybe I was just hoping. anyway, he's a UDFA and former PS player. at least he caught it this time

he did make another nice catch in the game. He doesn't need to be a super star, just keep catching the ball. he'll get better. he went from looking like the lights were too bright for him to looking like they weren't. i hope he keeps climbing his way up.

 

[GleefulGary]

Now you understand about shepherd? You see him cost the team another td against the falcons. He's open for easy touchdown and what happened? Oh he ran his route just a wee bit too short and then fell down untouched just a wee bit before the goaline...jag play if I ever saw one

It's a mistake a lot of players have made. Not a career ender.

He's not great. He's just depth, and he's fine there. Not a bad player at all.

 

[tynimiller]

Now you understand about shepherd? You see him cost the team another td against the falcons. He's open for easy touchdown and what happened? Oh he ran his route just a wee bit too short and then fell down untouched just a wee bit before the goaline...jag play if I ever saw one

Oh my word...James Jones a bigger JAG at one time than Darrius has been.

 

[gopkrs]

Now you understand about shepherd? You see him cost the team another td against the falcons. He's open for easy touchdown and what happened? Oh he ran his route just a wee bit too short and then fell down untouched just a wee bit before the goaline...jag play if I ever saw one

Man, you are ruthless. lol

 

[Pokerbrat2000]

Man, you are ruthless. lol

I think he is just stating a fact, based on the history of what we have seen at WR through the years. I feel the same way, but really hope that I am wrong. I think it wasn't just that he ran his route short of the goal line, it was the position he put his body in when he made the catch that was poorly executed, he left himself with no ability to fall forward.

I would have to rewatch the 2 plays, but if memory serves me correct he kind of did the same thing on his first catch, which was to crumple up like a cheap shirt after gaining control, instead of fighting for yards.

JAG is a good label for now, I hope he changes it to STUD.

 

[tynimiller]

I think he is just stating a fact, based on the history of what we have seen at WR through the years. I feel the same way, but really hope that I am wrong. I think it wasn't just that he ran his route short of the goal line, it was the position he put his body in when he made the catch that was poorly executed, he left himself with no ability to fall forward.

I would have to rewatch the 2 plays, but if memory serves me correct he kind of did the same thing on his first catch, which was to crumple up like a cheap shirt after gaining control, instead of fighting for yards.

JAG is a good label for now, I hope he changes it to STUD.

There in lies the issue with vastly too many folks.....the expanse between JAG and STUD is insanely large.

 

[Pokerbrat2000]

There in lies the issue with vastly too many folks.....the expanse between JAG and STUD is insanely large.

What is that issue? That we all have various grading systems and opinions and if they don't match yours, it is an issue? I think most of us are aware that he has some talent or he wouldn't be on the team. But personally, I am waiting to see that talent on the football field during a real game. Until then, he is JAG.

 

[gopkrs]

What is that issue? That we all have various grading systems and opinions and if they don't match yours, it is an issue?

No, it is that something is all black or all white. If you call that a grading system; well, your wrong.

 

[Pokerbrat2000]

No, it is that something is all black or all white. If you call that a grading system; well, your wrong.

First, I wasn't "grading" anyone, I was labeling the guy a "JAG" and saying he has the ability to change that.

What "grade" would you put on Shepherd and why? if your grading is based on opinion, please back that opinion by facts. Thanks, I will wait.

"JAG" may offend you, but to me it is simply saying that he is "Just Another Guy" until he proves himself on the football field otherwise. Jordan Love is a JAG, as is Boyle, the list goes on. If that offends you, I am sorry, but it beats putting a "grade" on a guy that has 3 career receptions.

If you want to slap a "grade" on a player that has barely played, that is your prerogative, but I am going to guess that your "grade" on said player is mostly subjective and based on things that you have read others say about the guy or college film.

 

[gopkrs]

First, I wasn't "grading" anyone, I was labeling the guy a "JAG" and saying he has the ability to change that.

What "grade" would you put on Shepherd and why? if your grading is based on opinion, please back that opinion by facts. Thanks, I will wait.

"JAG" may offend you, but to me it is simply saying that he is "Just Another Guy" until he proves himself on the football field otherwise. Jordan Love is a JAG, as is Boyle, the list goes on. If that offends you, I am sorry, but it beats putting a "grade" on a guy that has 3 career receptions.

If you want to slap a "grade" on a player that has barely played, that is your prerogative, but I am going to guess that your "grade" on said player is mostly subjective and based on things that you have read others say about the guy or college film.

In your previous post you mentioned that we have different grading systems. 2nd, Jag. When you said he was a Jag and hoped he would become a Stud; I thought you meant more or less the opposite of a stud. If you are saying Jag means "just another guy," it just doesn't hang real well with stud in the same sentence. But if that is what you meant, that seems more reasonable to me. But I don't think it's reasonable to say that is all he will ever be.
I go by what I watch and I also have higher "hopes" for some because I also like to pick out a possible good but raw player. Not objective, but I try and keep it in mind that I am biased. I liked Shepherd because I think there is a place for a small, really quick guy with good hands. And so I admit I want him to do well. His punt returning was awful, but if you re-watch the sf playoff game you will see that Ervin was not good. And I just don't think there is a big body of punt return work to call him trash. But more importantly, how is he as a pass catcher. Again, not a real lot to go by and I don't think his slip and miss was something to make a quick and final opinion about him.
So this past game he came up with a very nice catch for 15 or so yards. He caught a pass near the endzone in fairly tight coverage and got his legs tangled and came up a couple inches short. Again, reason to call him a dud? I don't think so. I think he has potential and I like his quickness. I would not give up on him as a punt returner either. and then there was one long incompletion that did not look good from the start. Don't know why Rodgers did not look for someone else.
Davis, somewhat similar, I never really liked. Don't exactly know why. But I think Shephard is quicker than he was. So he is very young and I, at least, am happy to see LaFleur give him a chance. I give him a decent grade for last game. I wish he had more targets. But not deep ones. I don't think he is built for that right now. Do I trust him. Yes. But in the limited role for a quick, short receiver. Look how good that guy is doing in Buffalo.

 

[Pokerbrat2000]

But I don't think it's reasonable to say that is all he will ever be.

If you follow what I said, I never said anything close to that. I also never "graded" Shepherd. I think people are confusing "grades", "labels" and "opinions".

JAG is a good label for now, I hope he changes it to STUD.

All that said, I asked your opinion and you didn't answer

What "grade" would you put on Shepherd and why

As I said, this whole "grading" of players that have barely played is subjective poker with no clear cut winner or loser. Comes off as people just picking a fight to strut their subjective opinion. Which is fine, but I'm not going to go back and forth about a player that has spent most of his time on the Packers PS and hasn't really done much when given a real opportunity.

 

[Snoops]

They should really bring AB in. Yeah yeah yeah all the drama etc we know we know but after his suspension is up and he can play think about it. It’s not like fans are gonna not come to the game lol if they had him they would go to the super bowl as long as Rodgers stays healthy.. or trade for Aj green... something..

 

[Mondio]

No and no

 

[Pokerbrat2000]

They should really bring AB in. Yeah yeah yeah all the drama etc we know we know but after his suspension is up and he can play think about it. It’s not like fans are gonna not come to the game lol if they had him they would go to the super bowl as long as Rodgers stays healthy.. or trade for Aj green... something..

As far as AB. 3 points.

1. For most of the reasons those against such a signing have expressed here in the past, its a big fat "No" for me.
2. For the reason that 2 teams have already tried that unsuccessfully and 30 other teams have now avoided it, it's still a "No" for me.
3. Thirdly......

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[Deleted member 6794]

Shepherd should have definitely scored a touchdown on the short reception near the goal line. He made a nice play on the long reception just moments before that though.

In my opinion it's unrealistic to expect more out of the sixth wide receiver on the depth chart entering the season.

 

[swhitset]

Shepherd should have definitely scored a touchdown on the short reception near the goal line. He made a nice play on the long reception just moments before that though.

In my opinion it's unrealistic to expect more out of the sixth wide receiver on the depth chart entering the season.

I agree on both points. I think the point here is that some in here are under the impression that he is more than that. While it’s certainly possible that he could yet develop into a dependable receiver on this team, at this point, he has not shown much to support that supposition.

 

[PikeBadger]

I would have liked to see that get replayed. I remember them showing 1 replay and that ball may have broke the plane as he rolled before being touched. But I never saw another replay, so maybe I was just hoping. anyway, he's a UDFA and former PS player. at least he caught it this time

he did make another nice catch in the game. He doesn't need to be a super star, just keep catching the ball. he'll get better. he went from looking like the lights were too bright for him to looking like they weren't. i hope he keeps climbing his way up.

That’s my take exactly. He and Taylor logged a lot of snaps in that game. Invaluable in their growth rate imo. Lots of roster backend young guys on both sides of the ball logged significant meaningful snaps. That can only help this team going forward.

 

[Pokerbrat2000]

I agree on both points. I think the point here is that some in here are under the impression that he is more than that. While it’s certainly possible that he could yet develop into a dependable receiver on this team, at this point, he has not shown much to support that supposition.

Agree and I would add that we are talking about a guy that was given opportunities last season, failed to seize them and thus demoted to the PS, which is where he began the season this year. I think my frustration is over how much his play seems to reflect the lack of depth this team has at the WR position and the lack of urgency it seems that Gute has to address it.

I realize some are going to say "what do you expect from your #6 guy?", well on Monday night Shepherd was considered our #2 WR behind MVS and when Davante comes back, as of today, he will be our #3, that gives me reason to be concerned.

 

[PikeBadger]

Agree and I would add that we are talking about a guy that was given opportunities last season, failed to seize them and thus demoted to the PS, which is where he began the season this year. I think my frustration is over how much his play seems to reflect the lack of depth this team has at the WR position and the lack of urgency it seems that Gute has to address it.

I realize some are going to say "what do you expect from your #6 guy?", well on Monday night Shepherd was considered our #2 WR behind MVS and when Davante comes back, as of today, he will be our #3, that gives me reason to be concerned.

Taylor had 9 more snaps than Shepherd against Atlanta which may mean something, or maybe not depending on how their roles are defined by the coaching staff.

 

[Pokerbrat2000]

Taylor had 9 more snaps than Shepherd against Atlanta which may mean something, or maybe not depending on how their roles are defined by the coaching staff.

After I posted, I assumed someone would bring that up. So ok, lets assume Taylor was our #2 and Shepherd was the #3, my concern over the position does not change one bit. Take it one step further, Begelton was our #4 and he was cut the next day.