Rodgers reportedly disgruntled, does not want to return to the Packers

[Southside]

The Packers will have to start rebuilding in 2 or 3 years if Rodgers comes back and plays this year. Of course some of you think if he does come back the Packers will win a Super Bowl. That's a long shot. Maybe after 2 years he'll be worth one 1st round pick. Maybe not. He has been fragile over the years. What if he suffers a career ending injury this year? It appears he's unhappy and no longer wants to be a Green Bay Packer. Why not start the rebuilding process this year by trading him for a load of 1st and 2nd round draft choices. Perhaps even a player or two. He will never be worth more in a trade than he is now. I'd trade him.

 

[Sunshinepacker]

The Packers will have to start rebuilding in 2 or 3 years if Rodgers comes back and plays this year. Of course some of you think if he does come back the Packers will win a Super Bowl. That's a long shot. Maybe after 2 years he'll be worth one 1st round pick. Maybe not. He has been fragile over the years. What if he suffers a career ending injury this year? It appears he's unhappy and no longer wants to be a Green Bay Packer. Why not start the rebuilding process this year by trading him for a load of 1st and 2nd round draft choices. Perhaps even a player or two. He will never be worth more in a trade than he is now. I'd trade him.

I'd be okay with this as a second option but I personally believe keeping the elite QB is more valuable than trying to find a new, elite QB. However, that's all gonna be up to Rodgers and the Packers. In any case, any trade is better than him retiring and the Packers getting nothing but cap space (w/in reason).

 

[thequick12]

IMHO not possible to have AR on the '22 roster. He counts almost 40Mil on the cap, GB is 33Mil over the projected cap (per overthecap) AND that doesn't include Davante Adams' new contract. Can't be on a fixed income and eat lobster every night for too long.

Obviously Rodgers is getting an extension and will be the highest paid qb in the NFL whether he remains a packer or is traded to a new team. I think he stays a Packers and that cap number is spread out into the future when in 2023 the cap is set to sky rocket and it'll no longer be an issue.

NFL stadiums are gonna be full capacity this season so I'd bet the cap goes up pretty significantly for 2022 as well.

With last year the way it was, people are just waiting to get out and do stuff. I mean all the stores and restaurants are already packed at least in the Milwaukee area

 

[thequick12]

I can't tell if you are joking or being serious?

Haha I'm 100% serious...there's a lot of things in life that go on that very wealthy people get away with as common place that the less wealthy get caught for all the time

If you think that's not true I'm not sure what society you've been living in?

Now as for the specific subject I haven't researched that at all so idk...but it's certainly possible billion air owners have figured out ways to evade taxes without being caught. That people without their vast resources are not able to capitalize on

 

[Pokerbrat2000]

Haha I'm 100% serious...there's a lot of things in life that go on that very wealthy people get away with as common place that the less wealthy get caught for all the time

If you think that's not true I'm not sure what society you've been living in?

Now as for the specific subject I haven't researched that at all so idk...but it's certainly possible billion air owners have figured out ways to evade taxes without being caught. That people without their vast resources are not able to capitalize on

Two things.

First, It is pretty clear by his second post trying to explain himself, that the OP is confusing the terms "Tax evasion" with "Tax sheltering". One is legal and one is not. He might have been better off saying something like "Rich Owners are probably good at using tax incentives to pay less taxes than some might think they should." Accusing a group of tax evasion, without any substantial historical evidence is lazy at best. Instead he said this and I called him out on it...

(since sports teams are basically the best tax evasion tool ever)

Second, you also taking up his fight and generalizing by saying "wealthy people get away with things that less wealthy dont", is also making a broad assumption and connection. "They do it, because they know they will get away with it." Then you double down by saying this?

I'm not weighing in one way or another because I have no idea but just because no billion air owner has ever been charged with it doesn't mean it isn't common place whatever it is from this subject to things darker

Its pretty obvious that players are far more likely to be charged with tax evasion because they are largely peasants relative to the owners

Have you kept an eye on American Politics in the last few years or the business world? Wealthy people are charged quite often. Much like "peasants", some are convicted or make a plea deal, some are not. Now if you want to debate the U.S. judicial system and fairness, that is a whole other subject matter.

However, back to the OP, him making this bold statement that Sports Team owners use their wealth and team to intentionally evade taxes, it is factually incorrect and really based on historical evidence a huge reach.

 

[El Guapo]

They're all dead

You've crushed my soul

 

[Sunshinepacker]

Two things.

First, It is pretty clear by his second post trying to explain himself, that the OP is confusing the terms "Tax evasion" with "Tax sheltering". One is legal and one is not. He might have been better off saying something like "Rich Owners are probably good at using tax incentives to pay less taxes than some might think they should." Accusing a group of tax evasion, without any substantial historical evidence is lazy at best. Instead he said this and I called him out on it...


Second, you also taking up his fight and generalizing by saying "wealthy people get away with things that less wealthy dont", is also making a broad assumption and connection. "They do it, because they know they will get away with it." Then you double down by saying this?



Have you kept an eye on American Politics in the last few years or the business world? Wealthy people are charged quite often. Much like "peasants", some are convicted or make a plea deal, some are not. Now if you want to debate the U.S. judicial system and fairness, that is a whole other subject matter.

However, back to the OP, him making this bold statement that Sports Team owners use their wealth and team to intentionally evade taxes, it is factually incorrect and really based on historical evidence a huge reach.

Not sure when this turned into a white collar crime thread but you should look at the actual trend in tax charges brought by the IRS over the past few decades, as well as the average income of those whom charges are brought against.

 

[Pokerbrat2000]

Not sure when this turned into a white collar crime thread.

Wow, you really have to ask how this got started and escalated, when you make this bold claim?

(since sports teams are basically the best tax evasion tool ever)

You and another poster then morphed it into "rich people evade taxes". All I asked for was proof on your part of your claim that Sports teams evade taxes. Creating strawman arguments and constantly moving the goal posts on your part....I would call that "evading answering the question".

 

[Sunshinepacker]

Wow, you really have to ask how this got started when you make this bold claim?



You and another poster then morphed it into "rich people evade taxes". All I asked for was proof on your part of your claim that Sports teams evade taxes. Creating strawman arguments and constantly moving the goal posts on your part....I would call that "evading answering the question".

Okay. Got it.

 

[Pokerbrat2000]

Okay. Got it.

Good deal. I am anxious to see your proof of your accusation.

 

[Sunshinepacker]

Good deal. I am anxious to see your proof of your accusation.

Nope, you've convinced me.

 

[Canadian Cheddar]

The Packers will have to start rebuilding in 2 or 3 years if Rodgers comes back and plays this year. Of course some of you think if he does come back the Packers will win a Super Bowl. That's a long shot. Maybe after 2 years he'll be worth one 1st round pick. Maybe not. He has been fragile over the years. What if he suffers a career ending injury this year? It appears he's unhappy and no longer wants to be a Green Bay Packer. Why not start the rebuilding process this year by trading him for a load of 1st and 2nd round draft choices. Perhaps even a player or two. He will never be worth more in a trade than he is now. I'd trade him.

 

[PackerfaninCarolina]

So my thinking from Rodgers comments.

There are serious fractures with he and management. That's obvious. He made it a point to say that he loves his teammates, loves the coaching staff, and loves the fanbase, but then went on to criticize the culture isn't really to his liking. He can only be talking about Murphy and Gutekunst.

He said it was never about drafting Jordan Love, but that he "threw a wrench" into the plans that the Packers set into motion last offseason. So that leads me to believe that Rodgers was either told, or he felt, that the Packers were setting a plan in motion to move on from him. And he complicated all of that by winning the MVP, and that the current situation is "spill out" from that.

So I do in fact believe that some or a lot of it is about Jordan. His comments could've strictly been pro-Love in the sense that he's trying to protect him from some of this media frenzy.

Again, my main takeaways is that Rodgers regained some leverage with the Packers after his performance last season, he's exerting some of that leverage, and he and Gutekunst most definitely do not see eye to eye and there are some real serious issues that I'm not sure can be worked through.

He also said "it's been an incredible 16 years". Almost like a goodbye comment. Could be nothing though.

As an aside, Mayne asked "do you find it's strange that the people have been conditioned that management is always right? The players are bad guys because they stand up for themselves so management must be right because loyalty to the team is paramount. " This to me is a great question.

Yeah, Love is probably just one part of the equation, and Rodgers may actually not be upset that the Packers drafted a replacement QB for him considering Love has a rookie contract that can be stretched for 5 years which would get Rodgers to 40-41. Lotta time to either prepare Love or even send him down a similar path that the Patriots did with Garrapolo.

My guess is he probably is just more so upset about the overall drafting strategies Gute used in 2019 and 2020 and probably had other players or positions in mind that he was hoping the Packers would take. And I know we can debate all day on whether or not Cute gets it right or wrong on his strategy and picks. But I just got a feeling that's where the crux of the matter probably lies.

 

[Pokerbrat2000]

Yes, I am pretty sure Gute and the Packers are weighing quite a few things and measuring each one.

• Dollar cost to keep Rodgers Happy
• Guaranteed Money
• Length of commitment
• Is he too soured to come back?
• Injury History
• Love's Progress
• Trade Value of Rodgers now VS....???
• Rebuild mode now or hold off until Rodgers retires
• Cap implications of all of the above

I'm pretty sure I missed several more and let's not forget Aaron has a lot of factors to consider too. This isn't an easy decision that the Packers (or Rodgers) has and it doesn't appear that Rodgers and or maybe the Packers too, aren't wanting to help make it any easier either.

I just get the impression that Rodgers feels he is done in Green Bay and wants to force the Packers into "being or looking like the bad guy".

At some point the scales will tip one way or another and I think whoever flinches first will push into motion what's next.

 

[Canadian Cheddar]

It's time to get all of the decision makers together with Rodgers in a virtual room.(Actually it is well past that time.)

I would hope that Rodgers can pull himself away from the Bucks current playoff run to meet with the team.

From the team's stand point it seems that there is a reticence to move on from the Rodgers era. (For good reason). They missed a large opportunity when they did not put together a draft week deal.

Meanwhile, the noise level increases, complete with more whacky rumours. To me it's simple, that the best opportunity for the Packers is to keep the Rodgers era going for 2 or 3 more years.
All involved need to realize this, and work out a deal. Surely, the egos of those involved have not been bruised to the point where the issue of what is best for the Packers and Aaron Rodgers cannot be realized.

Get it done, and soon, the 2021 season is fast approaching.

 

[sschind]

Yes, I am pretty sure Gute and the Packers are weighing quite a few things and measuring each one.

• Dollar cost to keep Rodgers Happy
• Guaranteed Money
• Length of commitment
• Is he too soured to come back?
• Injury History
• Love's Progress
• Trade Value of Rodgers now VS....???
• Rebuild mode now or hold off until Rodgers retires
• Cap implications of all of the above

I'm pretty sure I missed several more and let's not forget Aaron has a lot of factors to consider too. This isn't an easy decision that the Packers (or Rodgers) has and it doesn't appear that Rodgers and or maybe the Packers too, aren't wanting to help make it any easier either.

I just get the impression that Rodgers feels he is done in Green Bay and wants to force the Packers into "being or looking like the bad guy".

At some point the scales will tip one way or another and I think whoever flinches first will push into motion what's next.

The way the Packers have been handling this I think the only way they come off as the bad guy is if it comes out as fact that they made certain promises and backed off. They have been very quiet and everything they have been saying is they want him back. If they do end up trading him they can say we ended up giving him what he wanted.

 

[Pokerbrat2000]

what is best for the Packers and Aaron Rodgers cannot be realized.

Therein lies the whole crux of the problem. I do not honestly believe that both can be achieved, without so much compromise that one or both parties is bitter after.

 

[tynimiller]

Therein lies the whole crux of the problem. I do not honestly believe that both can be achieved, without so much compromise that one or both parties is bitter after.

100% - Rodgers version of what is best for Packers is what is best for Rodgers - he isn't thinking at all about the organization outside his world. The organization cannot think about things in such a small way, they have to think about roster structure now, and in the future and what is best for the franchise now, and in the future.

 

[Canadian Cheddar]

Therein lies the whole crux of the problem. I do not honestly believe that both can be achieved, without so much compromise that one or both parties is bitter after.

That would be a shame for both the Packers and AR.

 

[Canadian Cheddar]

100% - Rodgers version of what is best for Packers is what is best for Rodgers - he isn't thinking at all about the organization outside his world. The organization cannot think about things in such a small way, they have to think about roster structure now, and in the future and what is best for the franchise now, and in the future.

It is no small decision to move on from Rogers. How do you know what he is thinking? I surely don't. I really can't see him as wanting to poison his situation with the Packers. However, the passage of time seems to create speculation and rumors which further poison the well, and hinder any chance of a reconciliation.‍

 

[Pokerbrat2000]

That would be a shame for both the Packers and AR.

2 months ago, I would have felt a lot worse than I do now about it. However, if what I have heard, read, speculated, etc. is correct, I am just fine with the Packers cashing out their chips with Rodgers. Get as much as they possibly can now and start the process of finding the next QB that they weren't that far away from having to do anyway. At least this way, they can arm themselves with some draft capital, as well as a padded cap along the way.

I really think Rodgers ego won't allow him to play in Green Bay again and if it somehow does, it is not going to be for much longer or at a happy level. We talk about team chemistry and locker room cancer a lot in this forum. A lot of what we are hearing would have to be false and/or some big changes in Rodgers attitude, not to think he could possibly create a cancerous locker room atmosphere. Seems to possibly be doing it already with the WR's and OTA's.

 

[Phil Young]

Not a case of careful what you wish for just reality.

I hope #12 comes back BUT if he can't or won't then we HAVE to move on.

 

[Canadian Cheddar]

Not a case of careful what you wish for just reality.

I hope #12 comes back BUT if he can't or won't then we HAVE to move on.

True enough, if Rodgers demands are completely unreasonable. If that is the case, make the best deal for the Pack to move on. But do it soon!

 

[Pokerbrat2000]

It is no small decision to move on from Rogers. How do you know what he is thinking? I surely don't. I really can't see him as wanting to poison his situation with the Packers. However, the passage of time seems to create speculation and rumors which further poison the well, and hinder any chance of a reconciliation.‍

HE (Rodgers) has had the ability to END this at anytime or at least clarify his side. He has been spoon fed twice, Mike Tirico and Kenny Mayne to do so, yet he hasn't. He could call up any major reporter or TV Station and get an immediate interview to do so. Why hasn't he? If he does, it gives up his power over the Packers if he tells fans he isn't going anywhere. Or it gives the Packers too much power if he says "I want a trade or else I sit." The longer he drags this out, the longer he has the power to make fans and the Packer organization wonder....WTF Aaron Rodgers is thinking and going to do.

 

[tynimiller]

It is no small decision to move on from Rogers. How do you know what he is thinking? I surely don't. I really can't see him as wanting to poison his situation with the Packers. However, the passage of time seems to create speculation and rumors which further poison the well, and hinder any chance of a reconciliation.‍

You missed the use of the word small, this is not a small decision - not at all. I was merely meaning Rodgers world of factors is Him. The organizations' factors are not that small, not close.