Rodgers reportedly disgruntled, does not want to return to the Packers

[Zartan]

If he really despise the FO then the chances of him being the starting QB at start of the season have fallen for me to 10%

Hate to see it end like this.

 

[Pokerbrat2000]

If Rodgers truly asked for Gutekunst to be fired there's absolutely no way the Packers should even think about complying with such a demand.

Totally agree...unless.....Rodgers said something like "I really didn't want to resort to this, but here are some pictures...."

 

[gbgary]

Sorry. The point is that we can't possibly know whether Rodgers cares what the fans think. Probably didn't need to answer that, though, because you did yourself. No, I'm not Rodgers, any more than you are, so we can't know if he cares about alienating fans.

rodgers is all about being on a pedestal. he'll just be trading one fan base for another so no biggie. teammates may be a tiny bit different though. tiny! he had no problem cutting his family off lol.

 

[Pokerbrat2000]

While it would most likely take a rebuilding year to absorb the dead money counting against the team's cap once they move on from Rodgers it should be expected them to regress that season anyway. In addition going from last to first within a single year isn't uncommon in the NFL.

I agree with most of what was in your post but this one is a bit iffy. I know you want to keep Rodgers and really "go for it", but that is dangerous to push out so much cap that in a year or two, you have to part ways with a lot of good players, just to get under the cap. Now you have to "take a year off" from signing any FA's and trying to get your cap back to normal. So you tank, get some high drafts pics and then what? When do you jump back in and start signing big name FA's, big contract guys? How long does it take to get a team to jell and be championship caliber? How many teams around the NFL have failed at this?

You are definitely right in that it can be done, I just don't think its as easy as it sounds and even harder to do in one year. I would have been all over continuing to take my swings with Rodgers at QB, but not at the risk of completely handcuffing the team after those 1 or 2 swings are done. I feel that Gute did just that in this years offseason of signings, restructures and draft picks. Seems like Rodgers was probably already too checked out to notice?

 

[longtimefan]

Sorry. The point is that we can't possibly know whether Rodgers cares what the fans think. Probably didn't need to answer that, though, because you did yourself. No, I'm not Rodgers, any more than you are, so we can't know if he cares about alienating fans.

But if we believe him..he loves the fans..and asking for a trade would alienate some. Would that bother him? I would guess it would..but I think he would rather be at peace and prove a point

 

[Pokerbrat2000]

I actually hope to look back in five years and say that the Packers won a Super Bowl over that period, no matter who was starting at quarterback.

BINGO! Something we both can agree on finally!

 

[longtimefan]

I agree with most of what was in your post but this one is a bit iffy. I know you want to keep Rodgers and really "go for it", but that is dangerous to push out so much cap that in a year or two, you have to part ways with a lot of good players, just to get under the cap. Now you have to "take a year off" from signing any FA's and trying to get your cap back to normal. So you tank, get some high drafts pics and then what? When do you jump back in and start signing big name FA's, big contract guys? How long does it take to get a team to jell and be championship caliber? How many teams around the NFL have failed at this?

You are definitely right in that it can be done, I just don't think its as easy as it sounds and even harder to do in one year. I would have been all over continuing to take my swings with Rodgers at QB, but not at the risk of completely handcuffing the team after those 1 or 2 swings are done. I feel that Gute did just that in this years offseason of signings, restructures and draft picks. Seems like Rodgers was probably already too checked out to notice?

Thinking about this more.

So go all in, win one SB...MAYBE. Then in 2024 what happens?? The pieces that were picked by fa are gone..QB is gone. No qb on roster has any real experience.

How long does it take to rebuild?? Do they suffer through 5 years of under 500?

These are all what ifs, but its very possible

 

[OldSchool101]

Totally agree...unless.....Rodgers said something like "I really didn't want to resort to this, but here are some pictures...."

As long as the pictures don’t involve Brian in provocative poses with MM or Eddie Lacy (or **** Cheney) in a Speedo... I feel very strongly that we can still recover from this

 

[Pokerbrat2000]

Thinking about this more.

So go all in, win one SB...MAYBE. Then in 2024 what happens?? The pieces that were picked by fa are gone..QB is gone. No qb on roster has any real experience.

How long does it take to rebuild?? Do they suffer through 5 years of under 500?

These are all what ifs, but its very possible

Exactly! If people (Aaron Rodgers) stop and look at what Gute was trying to do, he was actually approaching this very smartly and with the future in mind. He saw a decent opportunity to grab the next QB that might potentially allow the Packers to somewhat seamlessly make the transition from Rodgers to the next QB. Was/Is Love THAT guy? Who the hell knows, but at some point you have to jump in to find that next guy and preferably before Rodgers falls off a cliff. It might take 1 or 20 swings, but you would be a pretty bad GM if you didn't have a contingency plan. Was Love a year or 2 early? With Rodgers previous 2-3 seasons, maybe not. After he wins the MVP, maybe it was. After Rodgers wants out of Green Bay? Maybe it wasn't.

Contingency plans are usually just that, backup plans not etched in stone. If Rodgers or anyone thinks Love was drafted with the idea to 100% replace Rodgers on a set date, then I would say they need to start playing the lottery, because they can predict things better than most.

Why is it suddenly wrong to draft a QB that potentially could give a team some real value in the future, but any other position it is perfectly fine? Should Jaire be insulted that we used a #1 pick on a CB? Jones mad that Dillon was drafted last season?

 

[pacmaniac]

he liked being the center of attention on a ceremony intended for others. Very selfish at best.

I thought the news coming out on Draft night was due to Schefter, not Rodgers.

 

[tynimiller]

Actually, you are the ones that exclude the performance of Kizer and Hundley because it doesn't fit your narrative.

You literally have zero clue what you're talking about. I haven't stated any such thing. I didn't exclude anything.

I would fully expect this team to crawl through a season without Rodgers and have expressed my feelings of the wide range I think wouldn't shock me one bit if we finished the season with win wise. Could they win more than 8 or 9....I mean sure...but like I've stated numerous times I don't see an over/under higher than 7.5. Be more shocked to see us win 9 than end with 5.

The key would be how well we or Love play in those losses as to how I'd feel on the season.

 

[Pokerbrat2000]

As long as the pictures don’t involve Brian in provocative poses with MM or Eddie Lacy (or **** Cheney) in a Speedo... I feel very strongly that we can still recover from this

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[OldSchool101]

Thinking about this more.

So go all in, win one SB...MAYBE. Then in 2024 what happens?? The pieces that were picked by fa are gone..QB is gone. No qb on roster has any real experience.

How long does it take to rebuild?? Do they suffer through 5 years of under 500?

These are all what ifs, but its very possible

That goes back to philosophy. Sure we’d like to keep Rodgers, but not at $40mil+. It’s not sustainable.

Parting ways now evens our Cap dilemma by next season, plus gives us flexibility to sign our most important incumbents. Plus we might get starting caliber veteran player in trade + multiple early draft picks. We lose all that if we wait 2-3 seasons and we’re continually kicking the $ down the road.

As someone in here said. We have to pay the piper at some point. Rodgers trade value diminishes with the decreasing length of his current contract.

But yeah, if we pay him league high? In 3 years we’ll be in serious financial trouble and it’ll take 2-3 years to dig out best case. I don’t think anyone wants maybe 1 shot at a SB in the next 5-8 seasons. I want to be a relevant, playoff caliber team every season.

 

[OldSchool101]

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So much for Gute being the “mother’s milk”!
I was going to just straight disagree with that !

Here’s your first X of the day Poker. Two more you go on to the Gong show semi-finals.

also, you may want to delete your “history” files on your computer just in case. Go to Settings.. internet.. you know the drill

 

[Pokerbrat2000]

So much for Gute being the “mother’s milk”!
I was going to just straight disagree with that !

Here’s your first X of the day Poker. Two more you go on to the Gong show semi-finals.

also, you may want to delete your “history” files on your computer just in case. Go to Settings.. internet.. you know the drill

<Quickly deletes all history of "OldSchool ways to breast feed a piglet">

 

[OldSchool101]

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That’s number X X

 

[Pokerbrat2000]

That’s number X X

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[OldSchool101]

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Is that Gute sporting a Wizard of Oz look?
That’ll be our FO on June 2

 

[Pokerbrat2000]

Is that Gute sporting a Wizard of Oz look?
That’ll be our FO on June 2

I had to do some digging....thinking it was either Captain Kangaroo or Rip Taylor, it was the latter. Is this "Stump the Brat Day?"

 

[El Guapo]

I loved Captain Kangaroo. Where's Mr. Green Jeans and Mr. Moose??

Rodgers finally confirmed it all. He was convinced that the Jordan Love pick put him on the clock. He put everything into creating the MVP monkey wrench that got thrown into their plans. Now that he broke the machine, he's standing around reveling in it, pointing it out to everyone, and waiting to see what someone else will do to fix it. Every time I hear him say "it's about the people" it sounds painfully more like he's saying "it's about me - Aaron Rodgers" not the Packers. He's missing that while, yes, the players make up a big part of the team's legacy there is no person greater than the organization.

Someday he'll realize that his poop stinks too.

 

[Pokerbrat2000]

I loved Captain Kangaroo. Where's Mr. Green Jeans and Mr. Moose??

Everybody loves the captainWIMM

Didn't CBS draft their replacement (Mr. Rodgers) and ship them off to NBC?

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[TAYLORBOY]

where's Bob Harlan when ya need him

 

[OldSchool101]

Rodgers finally confirmed it all. He was convinced that the Jordan Love pick put him on the clock. He put everything into creating the MVP monkey wrench that got thrown into their plans. Every time I hear him say "it's about the people" it sounds painfully more like he's saying "it's about me - Aaron Rodgers" not the Packers. He's missing that while, yes, the players make up a big part of the team's legacy there is no person greater than the organization.
Someday he'll realize that his poop stinks too.

Amen!
He’s 1/2 correct. Life is about the people.. but it’s about relationships. Everyone we know was formed from our relationships, he acts as if our FO isn’t people.
You want respect? You’ve got to offer respect first, then you get it measured back. Funny thing, It doesn’t always happen in manner we expect and sometimes it takes a minute.

 

[OldSchool101]

Everybody loves the captainWIMM

Didn't CBS draft their replacement (Mr. Rodgers) and ship them off to NBC?

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I just realized how much I missed those guys...Tear

 

[longtimefan]

Character ..Do right thing

What did they do?? Steal his dog?

Wouldnt do right thing mean honor a contract that you had signed knowing of all these issues??

or were there promises they didnt keep?