Rodgers reportedly disgruntled, does not want to return to the Packers

[Pokerbrat2000]

I get the impression that some people think that the Packers are in full control of this situation and ultimately the decision is theirs if Rodgers is in a Packer uniform ever again.

It is actually completely the opposite. Short of the Packers trading Rodgers, which they said they weren't considering last month, Rodgers is the guy that will have the final say in this. The Packers have a contract with him, have publicly stated that he is their guy, they have held up their side of this contract, they have reportedly offered new terms, to which Aaron has said "no thank you." So who has all the power and control of Aaron playing for the Packers again?

At this point I could really care less what Rodgers wants on top of what he was already given and now offered. What does he not have control of, that he deserves control of?

 

[Pokerbrat2000]

Interesting, Rodgers playing golf and poker with John Elway. Are the Broncos guilty of tampering?

https://www.yardbarker.com/nfl/arti...for_aaron_rodgers_tampering/s1_16514_34977047

 

[AmishMafia]

Maybe this will sweeten the deal from the Broncos. Hey, if we push this you will loose some picks for tampering.


The reality is that it is impossible to prove tampering. Unless those poker players are willing to say that Elway talked about it. It's not against the rules for them to hang out.

 

[sschind]

Interesting, Rodgers playing golf and poker with John Elway. Are the Broncos guilty of tampering?

https://www.yardbarker.com/nfl/arti...for_aaron_rodgers_tampering/s1_16514_34977047

Another site that seems to have difficulty separating fact from rumor. Never heard Rodgers make a trade demand. Never knew there were any serious suitors let alone two.

As far as the tampering that would be pretty hard to prove unless Elway or Rodgers comes out and reveals they actually discussed it. Otherwise its just two friends playing poker and golf even though we all know it probably was discussed at some point.

Edit: I must have been typing when you posted Amish.

 

[Spanky]

I get the impression that some people think that the Packers are in full control of this situation and ultimately the decision is theirs if Rodgers is in a Packer uniform ever again.

It is actually completely the opposite. Short of the Packers trading Rodgers, which they said they weren't considering last month, Rodgers is the guy that will have the final say in this. The Packers have a contract with him, have publicly stated that he is their guy, they have held up their side of this contract, they have reportedly offered new terms, to which Aaron has said "no thank you." So who has all the power and control of Aaron playing for the Packers again?

At this point I could really care less what Rodgers wants on top of what he was already given and now offered. What does he not have control of, that he deserves control of?

Rodgers holds the trump card, which is to retire. Short of him playing that hand the Packers are in the stronger position.

 

[AKCheese]

Except that when/if he retires this year he owes 30(?)M back.... cash

Personally I’m good with him traded OR retired. Overrated (which he showed choking AGAIN in a big game), Prima Donna (doubling down on that now). If we can get HALF what is being bandied about in trade I’d make the deal in an instant.

 

[G0P4ckG0]

Rodgers holds the trump card, which is to retire. Short of him playing that hand the Packers are in the stronger position.

That is untrue. The Packers could retain a disgruntled Rodgers and it would ultimately lead to him under-performing, whether subconsciously or otherwise. Rodgers holds all the power because he is the one on the field

 

[OldSchool101]

Does anyone know the rules on retirement?
1. Can Rodgers retire and pay his 30mil and then un-retire the following season? (In order to “stick it” to GB etc..)

2. If so, would GB get a 3rd Compensatory in the draft for him resigning? (I know that’s small consolation, I’m just trying to weigh a worst case scenario).

 

[Pokerbrat2000]

Does anyone know the rules on retirement?
1. Can Rodgers retire and pay his 30mil and then un-retire the following season? (In order to “stick it” to GB etc..)

2. If so, would GB get a 3rd Compensatory in the draft for him resigning? (I know that’s small consolation, I’m just trying to weigh a worst case scenario).

No and No.

The Packers retain his rights for as long as the contract is in place, which right now is until the after the 2023 season. So I guess yes, he could retire, but if he unretired before the contract ended, the Packers would still own his ***....I mean .....have his rights.

 

[swhitset]

No and No.

The Packers retain his rights for as long as the contract is in place, which right now is until the after the 2023 season. So I guess yes, he could retire, but if he unretired before the contract ended, the Packers would still own his ***....I mean .....have his rights.

Furthermore... if he were to retire and not play ... his contract would not toll.. in other words he cannot become a free agent by retiring for the next 2 years. The Packers would still Have his rights when he came back.

 

[Spanky]

That is untrue. The Packers could retain a disgruntled Rodgers and it would ultimately lead to him under-performing, whether subconsciously or otherwise. Rodgers holds all the power because he is the one on the field

A disgruntled Rodgers won an MVP award in 2020. Let's just say I'm not afraid of disgruntled Rodgers. And he has way too much pride to just suck in order to stick it to the Packers.

 

[Spanky]

Like your profile icon. Looks like Spanky.

It is!

 

[G0P4ckG0]

A disgruntled Rodgers won an MVP award in 2020. Let's just say I'm not afraid of disgruntled Rodgers. And he has way too much pride to just suck in order to stick it to the Packers.

I will agree that he was not entirely happy last year, but I believe the main reason why is he assumed he would get an extension with guaranteed money if he performed well, among other things. It sounds like he was promised what he wanted prior to the beginning of last season and now Gute either retracted some promises, Rodgers was miffed by something else, or the team as a whole now believes they will be better off without Rodgers long-term if they can get a decent haul in a trade.

2021 disgruntled Rodgers will be very different than 2020 disgruntled Rodgers in my opinion, and not in a good way. 2020 Rodgers was more motivated than disgruntled

 

[Spanky]

I will agree that he was not entirely happy last year, but I believe the main reason why is he assumed he would get an extension with guaranteed money if he performed well, among other things. It sounds like he was promised what he wanted prior to the beginning of last season and now Gute either retracted some promises, Rodgers was miffed by something else, or the team as a whole now believes they will be better off without Rodgers long-term if they can get a decent haul in a trade.

2021 disgruntled Rodgers will be very different than 2020 disgruntled Rodgers in my opinion, and not in a good way. 2020 Rodgers was more motivated than disgruntled

We don't know that anything that is in bold in your quote is true.

 

[sschind]

Furthermore... if he were to retire and not play ... his contract would not toll.. in other words he cannot become a free agent by retiring for the next 2 years. The Packers would still Have his rights when he came back.

That's what I was wondering. You always hear about holdouts having to report by week 10 or thereabouts to get an accrued season towards free agency but I wasn't sure if the year counted towards the contract terms. If he retired for 3 seasons could he become a free agent? That is how many years he has left on his contract. I wonder if officially filing retirement papers affects that at all. Im sure he can't just say screw it I'll play golf and poker with John Elway for three years then sign with the Broncos but if he retires does the clock keep running on the contract?

LeVeon Bell was a different story because he was a free agent. He was not under contract and he didn't sign his franchise tag tender thats why he was free to sign anywhere he wanted after he sat a year. The Steelers owned his rights for one year after they franchised him even though he never signed it. Just putting that here for those who might want to compare the two.

 

[thequick12]

Interesting, Rodgers playing golf and poker with John Elway. Are the Broncos guilty of tampering?

https://www.yardbarker.com/nfl/arti...for_aaron_rodgers_tampering/s1_16514_34977047

Of course they are...no team would be interested in trading for him unless they already know he's willing to play for them. The problem is there's no way to prove tampering unless they're really really stupid which I doubt. I'm sure the 49ers tampered too.

It could just be Rodgers agent telling em, hey if you can trade for my client he's on board...wink wink

 

[Deleted member 6794]

Personally I’m good with him traded OR retired. Overrated (which he showed choking AGAIN in a big game), Prima Donna (doubling down on that now). If we can get HALF what is being bandied about in trade I’d make the deal in an instant.

As I've mentioned repeatedly it will take some time without elite quarterback play for a lot of fans to appreciate the level Rodgers and Favre performed at.

 

[Pokerbrat2000]

As I've mentioned repeatedly it will take some time without elite quarterback play for a lot of fans to appreciate the level Rodgers and Favre performed at.

I think all one has to do is think back to Kizer or Hundley running the offense, to appreciate the difference. While I don't expect having to suffer through backup QB type of play forever, I am expecting a lot bigger drop-off then some appear to be expecting, at least until such time that we find another top 5 QB. I've also have come to grips with the fact that Rodgers won't play forever.

That said, if he is disgruntled beyond a healthy repair, I except the fact that the time has come for the Packers to move on. However, in doing so, get as much value out of him as another team is willing to pay. Would I rather have a healthy, happy, high performing Aaron Rodgers under center for the next 5+ years? Sure, but first there were no guarantees of that happening even before this recent situation. The recent situation has now made it a lot more palatable to me that the time to move on might be now. Might be smart for the Packers to make fresh lemonade out of what appears to be one lemon that has gotten pretty sour.

I actually hope to be able to look back in 5 years and say "Rodgers and his new team didn't win any Super Bowls, but these players and draft picks that we got out of the deal have really helped the Packers."

 

[tynimiller]

I concur @Pokerbrat2000

That isn't even christening Love as the answer, but it would provide the 2021 season as a test year for Love, and if needed the 2022 Draft with all that draft capital from a trade be another swing at a bonafide possible answer. This could mean we don't enter a rebuild but a reboot timeframe is all. This roster IMO is quite solid and what youth is there in several key positions are swinging upward in their trends.

Because of the nature of this forum, again THIS IS NOT THE PREFERRED ROUTE - but the route which may be the only right one to take. The longer this goes and the consistent wording of Gute and MLF and such put out there with zilch actually confirmed from Rodgers is just confirming this very well may be beyond repair and I'm not crippling the franchise in an insane way by not trading a guy that also isn't going to play for me. Get every last drop of picks and players you can and attack the future.

 

[longtimefan]

That's what I was wondering. You always hear about holdouts having to report by week 10 or thereabouts to get an accrued season towards free agency but I wasn't sure if the year counted towards the contract terms. If he retired for 3 seasons could he become a free agent? That is how many years he has left on his contract. I wonder if officially filing retirement papers affects that at all. Im sure he can't just say screw it I'll play golf and poker with John Elway for three years then sign with the Broncos but if he retires does the clock keep running on the contract?

LeVeon Bell was a different story because he was a free agent. He was not under contract and he didn't sign his franchise tag tender thats why he was free to sign anywhere he wanted after he sat a year. The Steelers owned his rights for one year after they franchised him even though he never signed it. Just putting that here for those who might want to compare the two.

The way I understand it..

He can retire then un retire 5 years later and packers still own his rights.

 

[longtimefan]

Wish people would stop using other back up qbs in past when rodgers went down as absolute proof.

Those were diff qb and under MM offense.

However, why arent those using Matt Flynn as an example? @Poppa San put up his record and stats..

 

[tynimiller]

Wish people would stop using other back up qbs in past when rodgers went down as absolute proof.

Those were diff qb and under MM offense.

However, why arent those using Matt Flynn as an example? @Poppa San put up his record and stats..

Because too many only pay attention to items which advance their narrative not the discussion.

Folks do it with the likes of MVS or King as best examples...both players with massive moments of bad - but are not the "aren't even worthy to play CFL ball" labeled by many.

 

[gopkrs]

As I've mentioned repeatedly it will take some time without elite quarterback play for a lot of fans to appreciate the level Rodgers and Favre performed at.

You are right, of course, that the QB is very, very important. But a team, imo, cannot disregard the rest of team while paying too much to the signal caller. You are not going to win that way either.

 

[mradtke66]

I am expecting a lot bigger drop-off then some appear to be expecting, at least until such time that we find another top 5 QB.

(emphasis added)

It is entirely possible this never, ever happens again. We might never even get a top 16 QB again.

We, as a fanbase, are spoiled. And I think that's the root of Wimm's point. In a post-Rodgers world, life is more likely to be painful that adequate, let alone good.

 

[sschind]

The way I understand it..

He can retire then un retire 5 years later and packers still own his rights.

Thanks. That's the way i thought it would work. Like it just puts everything on hold and pucks up where it left off if he decides to unretire.