Rodgers reportedly disgruntled, does not want to return to the Packers

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Who's Mike?

McCarthy? Today they not only removed him, they made in retroactive to 2 years ago!
Sorry meant Mark. This is unacceptable to have the best player in franchise history leave. This cannot be allowed. And the board shall better give Mark an ultimatum. It's his ***.
 

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Hard to argue with most of that, but I always cringe at the 'spoiled' comments.

I'm limiting my "spoiled" comments to getting back to back HOF, potentially generational quarterback talents. However appreciative we might be, I count that as spoiled. :)

Just because one is humble and appreciative, having a $10,000 allowance from one's billionaire father makes one spoiled.
 

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Sorry meant Mark. This is unacceptable to have the best player in franchise history leave. This cannot be allowed. And the board shall better give Mark an ultimatum. It's his ***.
Best player in franchise history is extremely subjective. Try to not let your admiration for a player(s) take away your dedication from the team. Sports is a business and like literally any business, eventually you have to part ways with employees for various reasons especially if those reasons are tied to money.
 
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Wish people would stop using other back up qbs in past when rodgers went down as absolute proof.

Those were diff qb and under MM offense.

However, why arent those using Matt Flynn as an example? @Poppa San put up his record and stats..
I fully agree and I think folks have underestimated MLF and the ability of the current FO. I think they were planning on being very successful without Aaron Rodgers long before the 2020 completion.

This matter with Rodgers is only an attempt to better our situation (ongoing plans). GB was going to trade him at the last second and pull in enough draft and monetary capital to nearly not skip a beat. They don’t like his age and injury history and they’d rather be 1 year too early than 1 year too late. Also GB wanted to develop Love for a 2022 plug-in, but they can bend Love to 2023 and still make this work (see Favre to Rodgers). We need a year on a Rookie QB deal to evaluate Love before making substantial investments

Rodgers went and screwed this up by playing lights out.. and in turn, made us offer him a 2021-2023 full restructure contract worth $125mil with $82mil guaranteed (contract out 2023 and $41.667/annual) Aaron knows that would involve only 2 years and he wants more, because this is his best chance at a $$$ biggy fries supersized contract $$$$.

disclaimer: this is purely opinion and hypothesis
 
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I'm limiting my "spoiled" comments to getting back to back HOF, potentially generational quarterback talents. However appreciative we might be, I count that as spoiled. :)

Just because one is humble and appreciative, having a $10,000 allowance from one's billionaire father makes one spoiled.

Didn't see the caveat. Sure, if you define spoiled by that run at that position in the ultimate team sport, we pretty much are. If you define it by the Lombardis that those guys produced, not as much.

And, everything is relative. I'm sure that rich kid wouldn't consider themself spoiled when they think of the kid getting the $100,000 allowance. And, most of the definitions I found include some kind of negative personality trait attributed to the action. Someone such as your example wouldn't qualify.

Other than that, I pretty much agree.
 

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Best player in franchise history is extremely subjective. Try to not let your admiration for a player(s) take away your dedication from the team. Sports is a business and like literally any business, eventually you have to part ways with employees for various reasons especially if those reasons are tied to money.

See LeBron leaving and coming back to Cleveland (and leaving again)...the impact it had on ticket sales, viewership, subscriptions, apparel, social media growth, website traffic....yes one player can drive a franchise.
 

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See LeBron leaving and coming back to Cleveland (and leaving again)...the impact it had on ticket sales, viewership, subscriptions, apparel, social media growth, website traffic....yes one player can drive a franchise.
And that is one of the reasons many of us have stopped following or caring about the NBA.
 

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See LeBron leaving and coming back to Cleveland (and leaving again)...the impact it had on ticket sales, viewership, subscriptions, apparel, social media growth, website traffic....yes one player can drive a franchise.
Those same players drive a franchise into the ground if there is no return on them. Successful businesses cut the fat when said fat will greatly affect the future of a franchise in a negative matter
 

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Those same players drive a franchise into the ground if there is no return on them. Successful businesses cut the fat when said fat will greatly affect the future of a franchise in a negative matter

Look at Indianapolis. They went with that barf Luck over brining back Peyton. How'd that work out for them? There's a reason this place doesn't attract many free agents. It's going to get worse. This will be the worst decision in Packers history.
 

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Look at Indianapolis. They went with that barf Luck over brining back Peyton. How'd that work out for them? There's a reason this place doesn't attract many free agents. It's going to get worse. This will be the worst decision in Packers history.

Um.....Luck was very good and literally played through INTENSE pain for years. The dude was good - injuries simply made him unable to continue. I despise the Colts, loathe them honestly more than the Bears living in Indiana (despise Manning fans that claimed were Colts fans)...and I even think this is a terrible example of not working out after a HOF leaves.

Besides Manning was NOT the reason the Broncos won that SB
 

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Look at Indianapolis. They went with that barf Luck over brining back Peyton. How'd that work out for them? There's a reason this place doesn't attract many free agents. It's going to get worse. This will be the worst decision in Packers history.
They had far more success with Luck than they would have had with Peyton at that point in his career. He was done.

Besides not really looking for FA's for a long while we've had some good ones sign here. FA's go where the money is.
 

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Look at Indianapolis. They went with that barf Luck over brining back Peyton. How'd that work out for them? There's a reason this place doesn't attract many free agents. It's going to get worse. This will be the worst decision in Packers history.
That team under Luck was DECIMATED with injuries his entire career even when he was healthy.

The worst decision in Packers history will be to pay 1 player the highest salary in history especially when they have multiple other high profile players with upcoming expiring contracts. Paying Rodgers means this team will likely be T.O.A.S.T. for a solid decade once he retires.
 

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Something we all take for granted is the level of analysis that takes place in ARs head presnap. There is a video I saw a long time ago where AR talks about everything he is thinking pre-snap. I think he is watching a play and analyzing it with a host. Anyway, I remember being extremely impressed. It's the main reason for the hard counts to see what the safeties, OLBs, CBs, etc are likely about to do. Figure out coverage, and determine who will be open and where.

Agreed. I remember watching the same or a similar video and its just amazing how quickly his mind works and deciphers thing. As much crap as I give him for running the play clock down to zero too much, part of it is the fact that he loves to take time to read the defense and work his magic on trying to get a free play if he can draw them off. I will miss a lot about his play, but much like Favre, his off the field demeanor is going to be something we all might remember him more by.
 

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There are a lot extreme opinions in here on both sides and I find myself arguing on both sides of the issue. The bottom line is as fans we have no control over what happens. I still am hopeful that Rodgers will end up playing for the Packers this year because that in my opinion is still their best chance to be successful. That being said, I am not happy with his reported attitude and am growing weary of the whole thing. Eventually, the Packers are going to have to go on without him. While I still hope it’s not this year, the longer this drags out… the more willing I’ll be to move on.
 

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There are a lot extreme opinions in here on both sides and I find myself arguing on both sides of the issue. The bottom line is as fans we have no control over what happens. I still am hopeful that Rodgers will end up playing for the Packers this year because that in my opinion is still their best chance to be successful. That being said, I am not happy with his reported attitude and am growing weary of the whole thing. Eventually, the Packers are going to have to go on without him. While I still hope it’s not this year, the longer this drags out… the more willing I’ll be to move on.
Agreed.

We as fans seem all too often go one direction and that is it. I absolutely love AR the player. My favorite QB of all time. But that is it. I don't respect him as a person.

I don't get why many seem to be of the mindset that if you are a fan of the player you have to support and take his side in everything he says or does.
 
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Winning fixes everything

IF Rodgers ends up being a trade deal and we get multiple draft picks and shed the majority of his big $ contract? That puts us in a position to inject 3-4 more bonafide starters from the draft on Rookie deals + very likely free up enough draft capital to also resign 2-3 of our most important incumbents and then search out several stellar outside FA plugs by the 2023 free agency. That’ll all happen very quickly.

I know Aaron is a spectacular QB, but it seems GB is fixed on their decision to move on in the next couple of seasons. He should strongly consider signing the 2 year deal with us and get a SB ring or at least appearance. Then his ticket is strong for a shorter multi year deal 2-3 years elsewhere. I don’t think GB is going to budge on their decision to use Love. No way do they draft him at #26 just to send him packing. That means you don’t believe in your own philosophy. It’s like the house divided against itself cannot stand parable. I’m my mind, You have to have the conviction to stick through your original plan and be true to who you are. Even amidst public scrutiny stay the course.
 
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They had far more success with Luck than they would have had with Peyton at that point in his career. He was done.

Besides not really looking for FA's for a long while we've had some good ones sign here. FA's go where the money is.

No way. Luck one of the most overrated people in history. Quit on his team too. Peyton won another super bowl. What did Luck do?
 

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I fully agree and I think folks have underestimated MLF and the ability of the current FO. I think they were planning on being very successful without Aaron Rodgers long before the 2020 completion.

This matter with Rodgers is only an attempt to better our situation (ongoing plans). GB was going to trade him at the last second and pull in enough draft and monetary capital to nearly not skip a beat. They don’t like his age and injury history and they’d rather be 1 year too early than 1 year too late. Also GB wanted to develop Love for a 2022 plug-in, but they can bend Love to 2023 and still make this work (see Favre to Rodgers). We need a year on a Rookie QB deal to evaluate Love before making substantial investments

Rodgers went and screwed this up by playing lights out.. and in turn, made us offer him a 2021-2023 full restructure contract worth $125mil with $82mil guaranteed (contract out 2023 and $41.667/annual) Aaron knows that would involve only 2 years and he wants more, because this is his best chance at a $$$ biggy fries supersized contract $$$$.

disclaimer: this is purely opinion and hypothesis

Not sure if I agree with all your reasoning but I do agree with your overall premise. GB was planning on moving on from Rodgers after 2021. They were building a team centered around the way MLF wanted to run it which included drafting a QB they really thought/think can run it and a RB who they thought would be a nice complement to or even a replacement for their #1 guy. Rodgers having and MVP season threw a bit of a wrench into the works and forced them to rethink. Your hypothetical contract offer makes sense since more guarantees, not necessarily of money but of years, seems to be what AR wanted most. He wants to be here at least throughout the length of the contract he signed if not longer.

The funny thing is, to the person who said Rodgers is trying to force the Packers to change the way they do things, they might be doing just that and that includes doing it without him. He may get his way and end up not being a part of it.
 

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First, he would "only" count $15.5M against the Packers Cap. this year and $11.53 M in each of 2022 and 2023, so that part is really appealing to me when you consider the talent.

However, the only way you even consider that trade is if you have Rodgers locked up on a new cap friendly deal that frees up enough money to pull that off and Rodgers mind is focused on wanting to be a Green Bay Packer. Otherwise, Julio and Paul Simon himself, won't help us that much.


I can just imagine Aaron and Julio scratching around in the dirt coming up with some schoolyard plays that no one could defend.


Agreed.

We as fans seem all too often go one direction and that is it. I absolutely love AR the player. My favorite QB of all time. But that is it. I don't respect him as a person.

I don't get why many seem to be of the mindset that if you are a fan of the player you have to support and take his side in everything he says or does.

I wish you and Poker would keep you music appreciation ideas to yourselves.
 

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