Rodgers reportedly disgruntled, does not want to return to the Packers

[G0P4ckG0]

We don't know that anything that is in bold in your quote is true.

I never claimed it was

 

[longtimefan]

He is not at ota

 

[Half Empty]

(emphasis added)

It is entirely possible this never, ever happens again. We might never even get a top 16 QB again.

We, as a fanbase, are spoiled. And I think that's the root of Wimm's point. In a post-Rodgers world, life is more likely to be painful that adequate, let alone good.

Hard to argue with most of that, but I always cringe at the 'spoiled' comments. I know what's you're driving at, but that's such a subjective call. When living through the post-Lombardi era, expectations were lower, so joy was found in beating specific teams at specific times. Thus, a season could be a success if only we 'at least knocked the ____ out of the playoffs/ended their streak/showed why 'on any given Sunday' is a saying. From the resurrection of the franchise, some of us don't feel spoiled by a winning record or making the playoffs because we know the brass ring is entirely within reach. Don't want to rain on anyone's parade, so anyone that feels spoiled by the last 1/4 century is obviously free to do so - just don't include all of us.

 

[TAYLORBOY]

I don't think IF AR comes back we have to worry about him playing at HIS level...

IF...he comes back it will be because he GOT what he wanted

If he gets what he wants then he will be motivated to prove he was RIGHT

MY take.....Rodgers is out to change the CULTURE in the Packer organization. can AR hold out and force the management to become more aggressive instead of the slow and steady conservative approach they have used since the TT years...use FA sparingly only when it favors the Packers and DON'T push money down the road..
Packers still use the same criteria for selecting players at certain positions that have to meet a certain height...no matter how good they are...Amari Rodgers was selected even tho he didn't meet Teds standards he used years ago. Jari Alexander was drafted even tho he was close to Wolfe's height standard for a CB of being too short. How many times have we heard..." we learned this from Ted" " this is how Ted used to do this "all these guys have learned/worked under Ted and won't cross that "Ted" line
Can the management cross that line and change what they have had drilled into their style for years..

Packers change or Rodgers doesn't play...

May 24th ...1st day of OTA's for Packers
Aaron Rodgers ABSENT...fore going $500,000 to attend

 

[tynimiller]

I don't think IF AR comes back we have to worry about him playing at HIS level...

IF...he comes back it will be because he GOT what he wanted

If he gets what he wants then he will be motivated to prove he was RIGHT

MY take.....Rodgers is out to change the CULTURE in the Packer organization. can AR hold out and force the management to become more aggressive instead of the slow and steady conservative approach they have used since the TT years...use FA sparingly only when it favors the Packers and DON'T push money down the road..
Packers still use the same criteria for selecting players at certain positions that have to meet a certain height...no matter how good they are...Amari Rodgers was selected even tho he didn't meet Teds standards he used years ago. Jari Alexander was drafted even tho he was close to Wolfe's height standard for a CB of being too short. How many times have we heard..." we learned this from Ted" " this is how Ted used to do this "all these guys have learned/worked under Ted and won't cross that "Ted" line
Can the management cross that line and change what they have had drilled into their style for years..

Packers change or Rodgers doesn't play...

May 24th ...1st day of OTA's for Packers
Aaron Rodgers ABSENT...fore going $500,000 to attend

To the bold part.....DUH! You don't make FA moves that don't favor your team, EVER. The last three years this team has been about as active in FA as you could hope for and so far one could argue every FA to a degree was worth the signing, and a few were homeruns.

One second your saying management needs to change thought process away from Ted, but then the very same sentence give examples where they have diverted from the "rules" which used to be used....which way do you desire to have it?

 

[Sunshinepacker]

Can we all agree that Rodgers being absent from voluntary workouts is A) not a surprise and B) not important? If he and the Packers kiss and make up then the Packers will forgive his absence and give him the money, if they don't make up then Rodgers absence is nothing new and saves the Packers a bunch of money. Either way, sports reporters are just going to keep doing what they always do in the off-season, report anything that happens as of it's actually newsworthy.

 

[tynimiller]

Can we all agree that Rodgers being absent from voluntary workouts is A) not a surprise and B) not important? If he and the Packers kiss and make up then the Packers will forgive his absence and give him the money, if they don't make up then Rodgers absence is nothing new and saves the Packers a bunch of money. Either way, sports reporters are just going to keep doing what they always do in the off-season, report anything that happens as of it's actually newsworthy.

Not a single logical person saw him coming today. I agree.

 

[tynimiller]

I'm predicting it now though, Post June 1st:

Denver sends us:

2022 First Rounder
2023 First Rounder
2024 Second Rounder
+ Day 3 pick in one of those three years
Dre'Mont Jones (DE/DT) OR McTelvin Agim (DT)

Green Bay sends Denver:
Aaron Rodgers
2022 - Fourth Rounder

 

[Pokerbrat2000]

Wish people would stop using other back up qbs in past when rodgers went down as absolute proof.

Those were diff qb and under MM offense.

However, why arent those using Matt Flynn as an example? @Poppa San put up his record and stats..

Guessing that was intended for me.

I don't think its absolute proof, but it is all we have to go off of right?

Why? Because those are the only current examples we have of Packer teams running without Favre or Rodgers at QB. I mean we can go back to the days of Majik, Randy Wright, Whitehurst, Scott Hunter, Hadle, Tagge etc. but then we wouldn't be doing that with taking into consideration MLF's offense either. So no, we have no real concrete evidence of what the current Packer offense would look like if Rodgers isn't the QB, but that swings both ways. There is no evidence that it would be good either. Really, all you have to do is take a look around the league and through history to see what a HOF QB can add to the success of a team. If any of the rumors of what teams like the Broncos or Raiders are willing to give up for Rodgers is true, that points to what those teams feel he could do over someone like Derek Carr, who really isn't that bad of a QB.

To address your Matt Flynn question. In 2013 the Packers were 5-2 before Rodgers when down with the broken collar bone. Flynn was 2-3-1 in relief of Rodgers, with his 2 W's each being by 1 point margins against not that great of teams at the time. Atlanta finished 4-12 and Cowboys 8-8. So not sure what your point is?

 

[tynimiller]

Be interesting to hear Aaron tonight on Kenny Mayne's show....may learn nothing, may say a lot and still learn nothing...or could learn a lot.

 

[longtimefan]

Guessing that was intended for me.

I don't think its absolute proof, but it is all we have to go off of right?

Why? Because those are the only current examples we have of Packer teams running without Favre or Rodgers at QB. I mean we can go back to the days of Majik, Randy Wright, Whitehurst, Scott Hunter, Hadle, Tagge etc. but then we wouldn't be doing that with taking into consideration MLF's offense either. So no, we have no real concrete evidence of what the current Packer offense would look like if Rodgers isn't the QB, but that swings both ways. There is no evidence that it would be good either. Really, all you have to do is take a look around the league and through history to see what a HOF QB can add to the success of a team. If any of the rumors of what teams like the Broncos or Raiders are willing to give up for Rodgers is true, that points to what those teams feel he could do over someone like Derek Carr, who really isn't that bad of a QB.

To address your Matt Flynn question. In 2013 the Packers were 5-2 before Rodgers when down with the broken collar bone. Flynn was 2-3-1 in relief of Rodgers, with his 2 W's each being by 1 point margins against not that great of teams at the time. Atlanta finished 4-12 and Cowboys 8-8. So not sure what your point is?

Not sure who it was..there were a few??

Didnt bother to look at names

 

[longtimefan]

Be interesting to hear Aaron tonight on Kenny Mayne's show....may learn nothing, may say a lot and still learn nothing...or could learn a lot.

I wonder if it was pre taped..and think it will be just a farewell??

I dont think he gives any more insight

 

[AGreen2AJones]

He is not at ota

Murphy must removing Brian immediately. If not, the board must remove Mark immediately. If not the board should never serve again. Shame on them.

 

[AmishMafia]

Murphy must removing Brian immediately. If not, the board must remove Mike immediately. If not the board should never serve again. Shame on them.

Who's Mike?

McCarthy? Today they not only removed him, they made in retroactive to 2 years ago!

 

[Pokerbrat2000]

Murphy must removing Brian immediately. If not, the board must remove Mike immediately. If not the board should never serve again. Shame on them.

????

 

[Pokerbrat2000]

Who's Mike?

McCarthy? Today they not only removed him, they made in retroactive to 2 years ago!

Glad to see I wasn't the only one getting stoned over lunch!

 

[AmishMafia]

Glad to see I wasn't the only one getting stoned over lunch!

The 12th post in just over 3 years. The level of analysis and foresight requires months of careful deliberation and precise vocabulary. You can't be pumping quality posts like that out like that on a daily or even monthly basis.

 

[Pokerbrat2000]

Not sure who it was..there were a few??

Didnt bother to look at names

I said it and I own it. Hard not to look at how dramatically the offense dropped off when Rodgers wasn't running it. You are correct though and I have acknowledged in other posts that while the success of MLF's offense appears to be less QB dependent than that of the one MM ran, I would still contend that its going to sputter quite a bit without Rodgers. Why wouldn't it? Unless of course you find a QB that is relatively close in talent to Rodgers and that I don't expect to happen right away either.

 

[Zartan]

Him not showing up to OTA could be nothing. Last year during lockdowns he liked not doing these OTAs and what not.

Also he will say a load of nothing about this tonight on that ESPN show. Mark my words nothing of value of this situation will be talked about.

 

[Pokerbrat2000]

The 12th post in just over 3 years. The level of analysis and foresight requires months of careful deliberation and precise vocabulary. You can't be pumping quality posts like that out like that on a daily or even monthly basis.

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[tynimiller]

Murphy must removing Brian immediately. If not, the board must remove Mike immediately. If not the board should never serve again. Shame on them.

Did you purposefully bring up a coach they no longer have on staff just to add to the crazy?

 

[AmishMafia]

I said it and I own it. Hard not to look at how dramatically the offense dropped off when Rodgers wasn't running it. You are correct though and I have acknowledged in other posts that while the success of MLF's offense appears to be less QB dependent than that of the one MM ran, I would still contend that its going to sputter quite a bit without Rodgers. Why wouldn't it? Unless of course you find a QB that is relatively close in talent to Rodgers and that I don't expect to happen right away either.

Something we all take for granted is the level of analysis that takes place in ARs head presnap. There is a video I saw a long time ago where AR talks about everything he is thinking pre-snap. I think he is watching a play and analyzing it with a host. Anyway, I remember being extremely impressed. It's the main reason for the hard counts to see what the safeties, OLBs, CBs, etc are likely about to do. Figure out coverage, and determine who will be open and where.

Anyway, you can't teach that in a year but takes a bunch of years to master. On the plus side Love is far more agile and quick. But there will be a decrease in QB play for about 2 years no doubt.

 

[GreenNGold_81]

Time to trade for Julio. Costs a 2nd rounder... Says he counts 23 mill against the cap this year though.

 

[AmishMafia]

Time to trade for Julio. Costs a 2nd rounder... Says he counts 23 mill against the cap this year though.

Going to have to wait till we trade AR to free up the cap space because Rodgers refused to restructure so we couldn't sign any FAs. He probably called Julio and told him not to come anyway.

 

[Pokerbrat2000]

Time to trade for Julio. Costs a 2nd rounder... Says he counts 23 mill against the cap this year though.

First, he would "only" count $15.5M against the Packers Cap. this year and $11.53 M in each of 2022 and 2023, so that part is really appealing to me when you consider the talent.

However, the only way you even consider that trade is if you have Rodgers locked up on a new cap friendly deal that frees up enough money to pull that off and Rodgers mind is focused on wanting to be a Green Bay Packer. Otherwise, Julio and Paul Simon himself, won't help us that much.