Rodgers reportedly disgruntled, does not want to return to the Packers

[Mondio]

I bet Tom doesn't have nearly the input people think he has. and he's there for another year. I doubt they're giving him any input with 5 legitimate years left on a team.

So how do you communicate it "better"? "Hey Rodgers, we're thinking of taking a QB" he's pissed. 3 weeks before, 2 days before, 20 minutes before 10 seconds before. The end is the same.

Or Rodgers throws a fit 3 weeks before the draft, teams know it. They know GB is targeting Love and they trade up and get him instead. now GB has a pissed QB and no new QB.

I see zero benefit to giving Rodgers anything more than what he needs to play QB. sounds nice, but in reality, it just opens up a whole new set of issues.

 

[El Guapo]

Gute said he should have communicated it better. So I'm not sure why some fans seem to think there aren't any issues with how it was communicated when the GM admitted that he botched the whole thing.

Because you shouldn't believe everything that people say. Gute was trying to salvage the relationship as this public relations nightmare exploded. Behind closed doors, I'm sure there is no way in hades that he was going to communicate all of the team's draft moves to Rodgers. Besides, can you imagine the conversation with Rodgers of "hey we are going to draft your eventual replacement in the first round." An argument would have started even before the pick was made.

Gute did what every GM has done and will do, his job. His job does not involve coddling players. They have coaches and staff to do that.

 

[Pkrjones]

got a feeling the Packers are going to cave. smh lol

How would that be conceivable?

AR's '22 cap hit is almost $40Mil, the Smith Bros. cap hit is almost $48Mil, Alexander on his 5th yr. option is over $13Mil AND Davante Adams needs a new contract. Even if the '22 cap makes a larger-than-normal jump to $205Mil AR will still account for over 20%, the Smiths over 23%, Alexander over 6.3%, Bakhtiari's $22+Mil cap hit is 11%, and K. Clark's $20.6Mil is 10% of the cap. Those 6 players = 70% of the cap!! ... and no extension for Adams, yet.

To keep AR in '22 the entire team gets blown-up, and AR will be crying that he's got no offense OR defense.

 

[Sunshinepacker]

Because you shouldn't believe everything that people say. Gute was trying to salvage the relationship as this public relations nightmare exploded. Behind closed doors, I'm sure there is no way in hades that he was going to communicate all of the team's draft moves to Rodgers. Besides, can you imagine the conversation with Rodgers of "hey we are going to draft your eventual replacement in the first round." An argument would have started even before the pick was made.

Gute did what every GM has done and will do, his job. His job does not involve coddling players. They have coaches and staff to do that.

I agree with everything except the last point. The GM's job is to build a competitive team. If "coddling" your best player is necessary then the GM better darn well do it. Note: I read coddling as talking to said player more often and listening to their thoughts or giving them their own bathroom in the locker room, not allowing them to call in draft picks or demand certain players dance upon request while dressed as an Aztec priest or something.

 

[AmishMafia]

I agree with everything except the last point. The GM's job is to build a competitive team. If "coddling" your best player is necessary then the GM better darn well do it. Note: I read coddling as talking to said player more often and listening to their thoughts or giving them their own bathroom in the locker room, not allowing them to call in draft picks or demand certain players dance upon request while dressed as an Aztec priest or something.

There is a video out there with Rodgers saying how much he appreciates Gute and that Gute listens to him and they discuss issues.

But I kind of like the Aztec priest dance and am picturing some of the OLine during halftime.

 

[Sunshinepacker]

There is a video out there with Rodgers saying how much he appreciates Gute and that Gute listens to him and they discuss issues.

But I kind of like the Aztec priest dance and am picturing some of the OLine during halftime.

To be clear, I didn't intend to imply that Gute wasn't doing what I suggested, I was simply stating that any decent GM should expect to have to coddle star players.

And I was thinking one guy in the locker room for the Aztec dance but I like your idea FAR better.

 

[Mondio]

I don't think coddling gets you anything but appeasement of an individual for a while until the next coddle session needs to happen. It may, or it may not result in anything good. it may just delay the inevitable or make it worse in the end as you empower a bit of ridiculousness with coddling and still have nothing to show for it in the short term.

I prefer management, and sometimes management requires tough positions and stances. Sometimes star players don't need to be coddled, they need to be managed. I see mental midgets like ABrown and the guy who made a one handed catch once for the Giants as players who need coddling. I think Rodgers is strong enough to handle management and everyone is better for it.

 

[sschind]

I bet Tom doesn't have nearly the input people think he has. and he's there for another year. I doubt they're giving him any input with 5 legitimate years left on a team.

So how do you communicate it "better"? "Hey Rodgers, we're thinking of taking a QB" he's pissed. 3 weeks before, 2 days before, 20 minutes before 10 seconds before. The end is the same.

Or Rodgers throws a fit 3 weeks before the draft, teams know it. They know GB is targeting Love and they trade up and get him instead. now GB has a pissed QB and no new QB.

I see zero benefit to giving Rodgers anything more than what he needs to play QB. sounds nice, but in reality, it just opens up a whole new set of issues.

Its easy to say all this could have been avoided with a little communication and while it may be true to some extent its really a sad state of affairs that it should even be needed. Like you said how much input does he want and how much sway does he really think he would have.

Im guessing Brady has input as long as the GM agrees with him but if they really didn't want Antonio Brown back I don't think he would have been resigned.

 

[David Ciembronowicz]

Yeah that 100 million was to show they didn’t like him

Disrespect in today's world apparently means that a person needs more than the approximately $170 to $190 Million he has gotten since 2009 and the additional potential for another $70M to $95M the next 3 years (including 2021) not to mention the following: That my friends does not include his "extra's" for being a top 5 player in the league from endorsements, etc. AND the love of Packer fans and NFL fans all over the country who have bought his NFL jersey, AND the respect he received from the Packers organization since 2009 AND from players on the team. Not sure but that sure sounds like respect to me....

 

[rmontro]

got a feeling the Packers are going to cave. smh lol

I mean I don't hate it. I want to see them do whatever is best, whatever that is. If they give Rodgers what he wants though, he's going to have waaaaaay more leverage over the team in the future. If he decides to act up again, he has the team over a barrel.

The other thing to consider on the trade side is Rodgers is never going to be worth more than he is right now.
I don't think Rodgers wants to be traded though, he wants to stay, just on his own terms.

 

[PackerfaninCarolina]

I would say there can be potential benefits to the FO letting a QB in on the know on some draft picks. For example, a WR, OL, TE or RB, possibly even another QB are players a good QB will want to get off on the right foot with. They get drafted, might be good if he knows and can shoot them a text and start getting on friendly terms with them. Who knows, but I don't think letting a player in vs keeping him in the dark is necessarily a bad thing.

Now if a front office is taking their cues from said player, well that's a problem. I really don't buy that Rodgers wants that kind of power. He debunked the myth that he was going to tell the Packers which HC to hire, and there's no reason to think he wants sway over the draft board room.

 

[Half Empty]

I would say there can be potential benefits to the FO letting a QB in on the know on some draft picks. For example, a WR, OL, TE or RB, possibly even another QB are players a good QB will want to get off on the right foot with. They get drafted, might be good if he knows and can shoot them a text and start getting on friendly terms with them. Who knows, but I don't think letting a player in vs keeping him in the dark is necessarily a bad thing.

Now if a front office is taking their cues from said player, well that's a problem. I really don't buy that Rodgers wants that kind of power. He debunked the myth that he was going to tell the Packers which HC to hire, and there's no reason to think he wants sway over the draft board room.

Heck, I want that, why wouldn't he?

 

[PackerfaninCarolina]

Heck, I want that, why wouldn't he?

You sir are not him, and he's already debunked this stuff

 

[Pokerbrat2000]

I've been saying this needs to be the norm for years now. Many brushed off my concerns about axing his QB coach without giving him a heads up, releasing Jordy without a heads up, drafting Love without a heads up, hiring LaFleur with essentially no input, etc.

Now it's reached the point of a crossroads when this could have been very easily avoided by using some general common sense and reasoning that you want to appease your superstar player, without even having to concede decision making input.

It was all good while Rodgers was being a good solider and kept chugging along. But now that he's created a situation about it, now the Packers seem concerned?

If I could've seen this coming, the Packers should have as well.

I wasn't trying to imply that I fully endorse that policy, I was merely stating what it will probably take to get Aaron "back happy" and if that is the Packers goal, possibly a win win for both. Personally, I don't even think that will fully resolve things. He won't let this go, no matter what and its going to be Favre 2.0 next year too. I also don't know how good it is for the organization to first cave to demands like that and second set up an open door policy for a star player or 2 or 3... Adams and Bahk getting any say?

IF they consider it, it would have to be very clear that "these are the things we will try to keep you in the loop about, but ultimately, we will make the decisions."

It isn't as simple as "we told him what we are doing, all is good." I really don't think that was the problem with the Love draft. It was not the fact that they didn't inform him of drafting Love that pissed him off, it was just the fact that Love was a QB, they took him in the first round and suddenly Aaron feels blindsided and wondering about his longevity. Never heard him upset about any other pick, in any other season. This had nothing to do with "is Jordan a good prospect that could eventually help the team?" Will Aaron want to be consulted about non-QB decisions? Seems like WR maybe? O'lineman? Coaches? Coaching strategies?

 

[Premontre1969]

I wasn't trying to imply that I fully endorse that policy, I was merely stating what it will probably take to get Aaron "back happy" and if that is the Packers goal, possibly a win win for both. Personally, I don't even think that will fully resolve things. He won't let this go, no matter what and its going to be Favre 2.0 next year too. I also don't know how good it is for the organization to first cave to demands like that and second set up an open door policy for a star player or 2 or 3... Adams and Bahk getting any say?

IF they consider it, it would have to be very clear that "these are the things we will try to keep you in the loop about, but ultimately, we will make the decisions."

It isn't as simple as "we told him what we are doing, all is good." I really don't think that was the problem with the Love draft. It was not the fact that they didn't inform him of drafting Love that pissed him off, it was just the fact that Love was a QB, they took him in the first round and suddenly Aaron feels blindsided and wondering about his longevity. Never heard him upset about any other pick, in any other season. This had nothing to do with "is Jordan a good prospect that could eventually help the team?" Will Aaron want to be consulted about non-QB decisions? Seems like WR maybe? O'lineman? Coaches? Coaching strategies?

It just isn’t reasonable that AR should be that upset about a draft pick. I think that the fan adulation has gone to his head. We saw the same thing happen to Favre. They grow to be such big fish in a small pond. Like anointed royalty they come to take the honor and attention for granted and become intolerant of any perceived disrespect. I also believe that led them to misjudge their power over fans. Yes, AR’s fans love him and certainly helped him earn the MVP with voter support. But it will always be the team; Green Bay Packers, first and last.
The real insult is the one that AR has perpetrated on his loyal fans.

 

[rmontro]

It just isn’t reasonable that AR should be that upset about a draft pick.

it seems to speak to some insecurity he has, and it's pretty well accepted that he feels slighted easily.
I think what happened with Favre also plays a part here. Without the Favre situation, we probably aren't seeing this happen now, because Rodgers would probably think that there was no way he Packers would move off of their beloved star quarterback. Reportedly, Favre even warned Rodgers that the day would come.

 

[PackAttack12]

I bet Tom doesn't have nearly the input people think he has. and he's there for another year. I doubt they're giving him any input with 5 legitimate years left on a team.

So how do you communicate it "better"? "Hey Rodgers, we're thinking of taking a QB" he's pissed. 3 weeks before, 2 days before, 20 minutes before 10 seconds before. The end is the same.

Or Rodgers throws a fit 3 weeks before the draft, teams know it. They know GB is targeting Love and they trade up and get him instead. now GB has a pissed QB and no new QB.

I see zero benefit to giving Rodgers anything more than what he needs to play QB. sounds nice, but in reality, it just opens up a whole new set of issues.

Bruce Ariens said "we're not in the Antonio Brown business".

......I think you know what eventually happened.

He was also hell bent on sticking with his down the field passing attack, which yielded mixed returns in their first 12 games (7-5).

......guess what happened after the bye week? A LOT more of the Patriot way, quick strike offense.

And what do you know? They won the Super Bowl.

Lots of other examples. Gronk is one that comes to mind. That was Brady.

Watch Edelman eventually get to Tampa Bay.

 

[PackAttack12]

Because you shouldn't believe everything that people say. Gute was trying to salvage the relationship as this public relations nightmare exploded. Behind closed doors, I'm sure there is no way in hades that he was going to communicate all of the team's draft moves to Rodgers. Besides, can you imagine the conversation with Rodgers of "hey we are going to draft your eventual replacement in the first round." An argument would have started even before the pick was made.

Gute did what every GM has done and will do, his job. His job does not involve coddling players. They have coaches and staff to do that.

So we believe Gute and the Packers when it's convenient, but claim they're lying when it's, again, convenient.

Interesting. I wish I could play black and red that way on roulette.

 

[Sunshinepacker]

it seems to speak to some insecurity he has, and it's pretty well accepted that he feels slighted easily.
I think what happened with Favre also plays a part here. Without the Favre situation, we probably aren't seeing this happen now, because Rodgers would probably think that there was no way he Packers would move off of their beloved star quarterback. Reportedly, Favre even warned Rodgers that the day would come.

I don't think insecurity is the right term for being ticked your employer used the company's greatest annual asset to hire your replacement instead of using said asset to help you win the most important prize in your industry. But maybe that's just semantics.

 

[LetzBreel]

More evidence that the crazies are running the asylum. Jalen Hurts says that he is "not above" having to compete for the QB job in Philly. Good to know JH. You receive a star from the Aaron Rodgers school of humility.

 

[Raptorman]

I don't think insecurity is the right term for being ticked your employer used the company's greatest annual asset to hire your replacement instead of using said asset to help you win the most important prize in your industry. But maybe that's just semantics.

Key word in that statement is “employer”. Rodgers like it or not is an employee.

 

[rmontro]

I don't think insecurity is the right term for being ticked your employer used the company's greatest annual asset to hire your replacement instead of using said asset to help you win the most important prize in your industry.

Well, Rodgers is definitely not the only person who questioned that pick. There was a lot of mixed reactions on this forum when it happened. It makes me wonder just how frustrated Rodgers is with the team as a whole for the moves they did or didn't make. They've come close several times to getting back to the Super Bowl and haven't been able to get over the hump. Maybe that's part of the issue for him, or maybe it is.

 

[G0P4ckG0]

Well, Rodgers is definitely not the only person who questioned that pick. There was a lot of mixed reactions on this forum when it happened. It makes me wonder just how frustrated Rodgers is with the team as a whole for the moves they did or didn't make. They've come close several times to getting back to the Super Bowl and haven't been able to get over the hump. Maybe that's part of the issue for him, or maybe it is.

His issue is that he's a perfectionist who struggles to come to terms/fix his weakness of simultaneously being a control freak. If he would just focus on himself and his game I think he would have at least 1 more ring

 

[Sunshinepacker]

Key word in that statement is “employer”. Rodgers like it or not is an employee.

Good luck keeping superstars happy when management takes that attitude. Like it or not but sports stars aren't regular employees.

 

[Sunshinepacker]

More evidence that the crazies are running the asylum. Jalen Hurts says that he is "not above" having to compete for the QB job in Philly. Good to know JH. You receive a star from the Aaron Rodgers school of humility.

This is why athletes don't like talking to anyone. Hurts tries to answer a question by saying he doesn't think he's guaranteed a job and some ppl ridicule him. Just curious what you think he should have said?