Rodgers reportedly disgruntled, does not want to return to the Packers

[jhawk008]

Why can't fans like this understand that football in real life isn't football on xbox?

You have to draft players to develop. You have to use a cap to build a team. You have to account for depth, future contracts, dead cap $$$, etc.

Most look to the Packers as an example of how you build a team for a generation. Not for an "all in" shot, but to consistently be there to win.

I'm not sure what you are comparing the Packers to, but over that same time frame, what team is this head and shoulder example you would build off of?

We have 2 championships, outside the pats, who else would you trade places with?!?

If your example is "why aren't we better than arguably the greatest franchise in modern sports", then it holds little weight with me.

Scouts and GMs what are their jobs? If they don't do a good job drafting, what happens to them? If coaches don't get the best out of the players what happens to them also?

MM and Capers got sent walking papers about 2-3 years too late. TT also 2-3 years too late. That timeframe really is massive in the scheme of things. The Packers are draft focused team, and when you don't hit on your drafts you typically get fired. Rodgers covered up those warts and lack of depth for years and years.

We have 2 Championships from the best QBs who have ever played this game. Is that a positive to you? You're content with that? No wonder you're ok with the FO and their dealings if that's the line in the sand for you on success. It's pathetic reading some Packer fans continue that mantra like it's some positive badge of honor, when in reality it shows how underachieving this organization has been post Ron Wolf

 

[Schultz]

Is that his brother that he has,nt spoken to in years. Has Gute solved 2 problems in his life with one pick?

 

[sjb12681]

Scouts and GMs what are their jobs? If they don't do a good job drafting, what happens to them? If coaches don't get the best out of the players what happens to them also?

MM and Capers got sent walking papers about 2-3 years too late. TT also 2-3 years too late. That timeframe really is massive in the scheme of things. The Packers are draft focused team, and when you don't hit on your drafts you typically get fired. Rodgers covered up those warts and lack of depth for years and years.

We have 2 Championships from the best QBs who have ever played this game. Is that a positive to you? You're content with that? No wonder you're ok with the FO and their dealings if that's the line in the sand for you on success. It's pathetic reading some Packer fans continue that mantra like it's some positive badge of honor, when in reality it shows how underachieving this organization has been post Ron Wolf

I agree on MM AND CAPERS. zero argument there.

But we just paid and kept one if the best rbs in the league. We just paid and kept arguably the best LT in the league. We just paid arguably the best WR to stay here, in the league.

We went out and got great Lbs, drafted a top tier cb to get the offense back on the field, a stud DT, renegotiated contracts to keep all this together for another run...

Outside of NOT drafting a backup qb for the future last season, behind a 37 year old qb coming off several VERY questionable seasons, health issues not even being considered... And NOT drafting a WR (which is really a boom/bust at the bottom of the first)...

What exactly do you think should have been done that the FO hasn't tried and in most cases addressed?

EDIT: All while having a franchise qb **** swinging and saying "do more", while being unwilling to renegotiate his contract to free up money to go grab more weapons. Quite the opposite, he want MORE $$$ cause "his feelings" say respect is only shown by being the top paid qb.

 

[Mondio]

The team has been dog chit at drafting positions of need for basically a decade. They've marginally improved drafting on the defensive end the past couple drafts so good for them..... they then proceeded to have arguably our worst draft in 20 years last year

This whole thinking that you just typed is why we only have 2 SBs with top 10 talent instead of being NE or Pit of the NFC. Sad how fans like yourself can't see it

did you mean Pit as in a pit, or Pit as in Pittsburgh? The team that hasn't won a super bowl since we beat them in 2010 and has missed the playoffs at least 4 times since Rodgers has been the QB here? and has won as many super bowls as GB has since Favre was QB till now?

 

[Pokerbrat2000]

We have 2 Championships from the best QBs who have ever played this game. Is that a positive to you? You're content with that? No wonder you're ok with the FO and their dealings if that's the line in the sand for you on success. It's pathetic reading some Packer fans continue that mantra like it's some positive badge of honor, when in reality it shows how underachieving this organization has been post Ron Wolf

While I understand just how much both Favre and Rodgers contributed to the Packers during their careers, you seem to be giving ZERO credit to the organization that first obtained both players and second, made other personnel moves to surround them with some really good teams. The game is played by 22 starters and quite a few backups. As good as both Rodgers and Favre were, implying that not enough Super Bowls were won, strictly due to the FO is short sighted in my opinion. How many Super Bowls did Favre win after he left the Packers? How many Super Bowls did Favre and Rodgers not step up their games and get us to? Finally, grading an organization solely on winning Super Bowls, is also not really looking at the big picture either.

 

[Mondio]

Okay Ivan. You should probably look at how superstars expect to be treated today...or just beat them over the head with the "I have the power" stick and watch them all hate your organization

yeah, because that's what's happening LOL. It doesn't surprise me you're acting like the media version of Rodgers. Go get coddled with today's super star somewhere else LOL

 

[Mondio]

How many Super Bowls did Favre win after he left the Packers?

How many chances did he squander thru his own actions while here? I can think of at least 2 teams he was leading that should have been in Super Bowls, but weren't. Thanks in large part to his INT's at very bad times.

 

[Pokerbrat2000]

How many chances did he squander thru his own actions while here? I can think of at least 2 teams he was leading that should have been in Super Bowls, but weren't. Thanks in large part to his INT's at very bad times.

Yup....I was in the middle of editing my post

 

[sjb12681]

At the end of the day... What exactly does Aaron want?

As I said earlier, if the FO had gone out and spent the $$$ they have on players from other teams, the AR Backers would be STOKED. top LT, Top WR, top 5 RB.

But somehow, since we RESIGNED them and KEPT them... This doesn't count?!?

 

[XPack]

Raise your hand if you think that Aaron Rodgers makes any team he is traded to a lock to take that team to their Conference Championship 2 years in a row.

*Raises hand*

 

[XPack]

At the end of the day... What exactly does Aaron want?

As I said earlier, if the FO had gone out and spent the $$$ they have on players from other teams, the AR Backers would be STOKED. top LT, Top WR, top 5 RB.

But somehow, since we RESIGNED them and KEPT them... This doesn't count?!?

He's just looking for a contract extension that'll keep him in GB till.end of his career. Is that so bad for us?

So we want to end up as massive suckers like Patriots giving up a QB who can take us to SB next season?

 

[sjb12681]

He's just looking for a contract extension that'll keep him in GB till.end of his career. Is that so bad for us?

So we want to end up as massive suckers like Patriots giving up a QB who can take us to SB next season?

This is silly. The pats have a vastly different roster than the bucs. They were also HEAVY in contracts from building multiple champion teams.

So are the Packers, minus the rings. BUT... It isn't madden. It's real money with cap limits. To give Aaron more $$$ means we remove other pieces. We have to not sign jones back. Not sign back last year. Not re-up davante.

It's not just "pay Aaron, what the big deal?". I'm sure given that option, the Packers would do it in a heartbeat.

As it sits, they have a WHOLE team to keep and build. Not just Aaron. I just do not get why some don't understand this concept???

 

[Mondio]

He's just looking for a contract extension that'll keep him in GB till.end of his career. Is that so bad for us?

So we want to end up as massive suckers like Patriots giving up a QB who can take us to SB next season?

Do you think the Pats would have been to the super bowl last year inking Tom to a 28million dollar, 1 year contract? I don't know what else to say, but Tom is a good player and he's living a charmed life in the NFL. But I don't think the Pats go anywhere with him as QB last year.

 

[Pokerbrat2000]

He's just looking for a contract extension that'll keep him in GB till.end of his career. Is that so bad for us?

Given he has 3 years left on his current one, which gave him up front money of $100M guaranteed, if he is demanding a lot more money, while complaining that the FO needs to do more, then I would be against giving him more money.

If all he wants is to extend out some of the money, to make him feel like he has a job for another 2-3 years in GB, then great. However, it sounds like the Packers already tried that.

In my opinion, he should have no beef over his current contract. Did the Packers ask for money back after year 1?

 

[XPack]

Do you think the Pats would have been to the super bowl last year inking Tom to a 28million dollar, 1 year contract? I don't know what else to say, but Tom is a good player and he's living a charmed life in the NFL. But I don't think the Pats go anywhere with him as QB last year.

They had a better chance with Tom. Same like us having a better chance with AR.

I'm not saying SB is guaranteed with us signing AR, but at this point in time throwing away a possibility for a gamble on Love is just mental.

AR has proven he's too dog and we should gamble on him for next couple of years.

 

[sjb12681]

Do you think the Pats would have been to the super bowl last year inking Tom to a 28million dollar, 1 year contract? I don't know what else to say, but Tom is a good player and he's living a charmed life in the NFL. But I don't think the Pats go anywhere with him as QB last year.

Agreed. Also, why is Brady the barometer for success in the nfl? The man is arguably the best story of all time in the nfl when taking into account all things.

Now everything is a dumpster fire if you don't win 18 superbowls in 20 years?

"I'm sorry Lebron, we are only taking applications from people with the last name 'Jordan'."

 

[XPack]

In my opinion, he should have no beef over his current contract. Did the Packers ask for money back after year 1?

He hasn't, but the Packers could do with restructuring his contract greatly. He has the leverage now and I can't find fault with him for trying to wrangle more years. It just shows he wants to remain here and I appreciate that. We need cap space...we gotta compromise a bit.

 

[sjb12681]

They had a better chance with Tom. Same like us having a better chance with AR.

I'm not saying SB is guaranteed with us signing AR, but at this point in time throwing away a possibility for a gamble on Love is just mental.

AR has proven he's too dog and we should gamble on him for next couple of years.

WE HAVE HIM!

He is UNDER CONTRACT. What he is asking for is MORE. What does he want? The Packers want him back. He doesn't want to come back, unless demands are met.

When is it too much?

 

[scotty]

Aaron Rodgers bears some of the responsibility for last year‘s playoff loss and he has never to my knowledge taken any of that on says a lot about his leader ship skills or lack there of in my mind when we move on from him to me it’s no big deal it’s an evitable it will happen when it happens if he wants it to happen now fine pack up and go home but Green Bay needs to do what’s best for Green Bay my problem withThe Favre situation is Green Bay did not do what was best for Green Bay they should have gotten much more compensation for him and they would have if Ted Thompson hadn’t been scared to face him with his chosen boy

Wow man, you need. Some. Punctuation.

 

[XPack]

So are the Packers, minus the rings. BUT... It isn't madden. It's real money with cap limits. To give Aaron more $$$ means we remove other pieces. We have to not sign jones back. Not sign back last year. Not re-up davante.

It's not just "pay Aaron, what the big deal?". I'm sure given that option, the Packers would do it in a heartbeat.

As it sits, they have a WHOLE team to keep and build. Not just Aaron. I just do not get why some don't understand this concept???

I believe having Rodgers increases our success % more than any other single member in the team. And so yeah, is say he takes priority in cap space.

And just because someone has a different opinion doesn't mean they don't understand the concept ffs. You're note the only person in this for us to understand concepts.

 

[XPack]

WE HAVE HIM!

He is UNDER CONTRACT. What he is asking for is MORE. What does he want? The Packers want him back. He doesn't want to come back, unless demands are met.

When is it too much?

We drafted a replacement in first round. So no wonder he's a bit worried. The whole situation could have been avoided if we hadn't drafted Love.

It was a controversial (and potentially stupid) pick. He might be a good player, but that gamble is something Packers should never have taken and this is fallout.

 

[Mondio]

They had a better chance with Tom. Same like us having a better chance with AR.

I'm not saying SB is guaranteed with us signing AR, but at this point in time throwing away a possibility for a gamble on Love is just mental.

AR has proven he's too dog and we should gamble on him for next couple of years.

I want him to be our QB too, but not if he doesn't want to be. I kind of like where the team is at in that regard. I like a little fire at the feet. It's not a blaze, it's just tickling flames. If he was due 40 million dollar salaries after this year, yeah, I'd want a new one too, because it's a guarantee you're gone without one pretty much. That's a crushing salary near the end of a career for a team already up against the cap.

But he's not, he's due what? 25 per? that's not a lot as far as QB's go and if he's playing close to what he just did, I don't think there is much chance they move on after this year.

We don't know that he's just looking to push money out to guarantee more years and create cap space now. Maybe he wants it all guaranteed? I don't know.

All I know is the team has some options open, I think that is a good thing. I also think Rodgers is being paid well, and has been. I think the team has shown they want to keep this current team together for a while by pushing money out and re-signing some more vets. I think the commitment is there and I don't think they should guarantee large sums of money to a QB who is much closer to the end, than the beginning.

 

[scotty]

If the Packers continue to draft like they have for basically the past decade, and we have just an average QB behind center... we are going to go 20+ years of being crap again

So much this. I don't think people here really understand what they are losing when Aaron's not under center anymore. For sure, it's gonna happen, but he has a few more good years and the Packers don't develop enough talent to be a super bowl, or even playoff, contender with something less than an elite QB.

Are y'all ready to be like Giants fans, or Bears fans, hoping, pining every year and wondering who our QB will be and whether we will break .500 or maybe even have a chance for a wildcard? That's where we are headed and most Packers fans from the last three decades can't relate to that (Favre, Rodgers, automatic chance for playoffs). It's coming, but pushing Rodgers out the door (or letting him walk out the door) and speeding the process along is just stupid.

 

[Pokerbrat2000]

He hasn't, but the Packers could do with restructuring his contract greatly. He has the leverage now and I can't find fault with him for trying to wrangle more years. It just shows he wants to remain here and I appreciate that. We need cap space...we gotta compromise a bit.

Sounds like the Packers tried that and Rodgers refused. So it sounds like he wants guarantees AND more compensation. Again, for fans who think that the Packers should bend over and grab their ankles for Rodgers, are you really wanting to see them mortgage the Packers future even more than it already is? Further, how do you improve the team, if you are now paying more money to Rodgers? Finally, what kind of slope are you going down when you let one player, even Aaron Flippin' Rodgers, dictate what you do?

 

[sjb12681]

We drafted a replacement in first round. So no wonder he's a bit worried. The whole situation could have been avoided if we hadn't drafted Love.

It was a controversial (and potentially stupid) pick. He might be a good player, but that gamble is something Packers should never have taken and this is fallout.

Ok, so let's say it was. Let's disregard the against qb who was showing signs of age prior to this season (he was). The Packers should only draft junk qbs in the 4th until aaron is washed?

We had a chance to get a qb the fo thought was possibly the next AR who slid to us.

Outside of finding a time machine, what do you propose we do in 2021 that would have solved this?

I still remember the Favre people in 05 doing this, sh1tting on AR until Favre retired a Viking. Packers "fans" saying "told ya" when brett beat us in gb the first time.

If this is just star loyalists adoring and fawning their guy, just say it. Otherwise please tell us how we fix this besides telling AR he is now the defacto gm and coach.

Thanks