Rodgers reportedly disgruntled, does not want to return to the Packers

[Jayzee1981]

Maybe. But if Rodgers is back in GB this coming season I suspect it will be his last and he will retire as a Packer - something he has repeatedly said he desires. One more season of grooming might be what Love needs. His rookie season was lost because of COVID and no offseason work. It took 3 years behind Favre before Rodgers was ready so in my mind 2023 will be Love's 3rd full season and perhaps by then he will be set to take over the reins. Without a lot of tape Love doesn't have a lot of ammo to present to another club to entice them to sign him. His best chance to succeed might be right where he is.

Sorry but Love and Rodgers won’t be on the same team next year. One of the other.

 

[tynimiller]

Sorry but Love and Rodgers won’t be on the same team next year. One of the other.

Yup I said it towards the end of the season, I don't see a 2023 where both are in GB. I won't guarantee it as of course there is a very small chance...but honestly I feel there is more of a chance neither is here than both are.

 

[Jayzee1981]

I'm not paying him to be a #1 there though, nor is he stealing ANY snaps from a high level rookie due to his salary at all.

I don't want to be in a Love era without Lewis AND Tonyan in 2023 personally. Now if a TE is the plan in Top 50 of the draft I'd 100% support resigning Lewis and drafting a guy and letting Tonyan see what he can get in FA marktet...I don't think he gets more than Conklin type numbers personally.

MLF system depends on TEs, it is not a good idea to be essentially training two of the three TE types his system uses in the same season as a first year starting QB.

That kid from Notre Dame has Packer written all over him

 

[tynimiller]

That kid from Notre Dame has Packer written all over him

To be fair give me one of the following Mayer, Musgrave, Washington, Kincaid (if health rumors are hollow) or Kraft....and a later round flyer like Durham, Kuntz, Schoonmaker, Willis and I'm going to be tickled.

Mayer and Washington are more of the inline blocker with serious athleticism but won't be as lethal of receiving threats as say Kincaid...and Musgrave is honestly the both worlds type guy who illustrated blocking abilities in college but excelled when asked to receiver...not to mention he separated with ease against some of the fastest prospects at the Senior Bowl and was clocked going 20 mph at one point - that is chucking for a TE his size.

I won't be mad if Mayer or Washington is here in GB...but I'll be honest I think Musgrave projects the highest.

 

[OldSchool101]

I'm not paying him to be a #1 there though, nor is he stealing ANY snaps from a high level rookie due to his salary at all.

I don't want to be in a Love era without Lewis AND Tonyan in 2023 personally. Now if a TE is the plan in Top 50 of the draft I'd 100% support resigning Lewis and drafting a guy and letting Tonyan see what he can get in FA marktet...I don't think he gets more than Conklin type numbers personally.

MLF system depends on TEs, it is not a good idea to be essentially training two of the three TE types his system uses in the same season as a first year starting QB.

Yes. Resigning Lewis for 1 more season would be a given, so technically you’d have at minimum Lewis and Deguara as veterans. Like you said wed look to replace Tonyan through the draft with a young alternative. I don’t like the idea of long term offer on Tonyan. I know you mean well, but we can get near his production or better in the draft and possibly at less $

I respect your opinion. but not sure if you noticed Big Bobby finished with a career low 8.9 per catch on 53 catches and just 2 TD’s across 17 games. That’s not numbers that give me warm fuzzies on a TE who turns 30yrs old in 1 year.
Now. That said. If Bobby would sign a no brainer, 2X$5.5M-$6Mil type deal (give or take) You might catch my ear a little. We just essentially broke even on a $3.75mil and he’s getting older not younger.
$10m guaranteed is too rich for my blood for Bobby.

My thought involves upgrading at TE. That includes spending anywhere from #15 to #78 in some capacity through gyrating around the draft board as needed.

 

[rmontro]

Have you seen the rumors that Dallas would like to trade for Rodgers? That would reunite him with McCarthy. I wonder how they would both feel about that? Unless they fired McCarthy, but then who would replace him?

 

[OldSchool101]

Have you seen the rumors that Dallas would like to trade for Rodgers? That would reunite him with McCarthy. I wonder how they would both feel about that? Unless they fired McCarthy, but then who would replace him?

I saw that. From a players and talent perspective Dallas would be very formidable with #12.

It’s an odd dynamic. Jerry is a control freak (or at least he has been) and could get combustible with Rodgers. Also there would have to a major trade deal with Prescott locked down financially and his “no-trade” clause. It’s fun to talk about (really not even that!) but I don’t see it.

 

[Heyjoe4]

It tells me even after the Eagles game they still felt AR gave them the best chance to win even though he had a broken thumb. I worry about Love and if he is ready to take over the reins. This coming season will be Love's 3rd season (his rookie season was a lost season

You won't get an argument from me about Barry. Why that clown still is our DC is one of life's mysteries and I suspect keeping him as our DC will be the death knell for MLF quicker than anything. IMO the performance of this defense when you consider the investment of draft picks on that side of the ball has held this team back more than the play of AR and the offense (ST was a close second).

Agree on Barry and the D. Something like seven first round picks among the starters. Talent isn't a problem. Constantly playing soft zone with guys like Alexander and Stokes is.q1

Silverstein did such a great job researching for that article that I had to correct him on Twitter on how much Rodgers would count against the cap for a team acquiring him next season. Therefore I'm sorry if I don't put a ton of stock into anything else he wrote in that piece.



The Packers were one win against the Lions away from securing a playoff spot. There were actually pretty close to being a playoff team.



Jones was definitely a bargain over the first four seasons while being on a fifth round rookie deal. In my opinion that's not particularly true over the past two years though.



I definitely agree that Jones is a guy with a great character. Him giving up $5 million to stay with the Packers only solidifies that take.



In my opinion MLF hasn't proven that statement is correct so far.

Well just going by Lombardi trophies, MM is certainly ahead of MLF, 1-0. MM was a very good coach for 7 or 8 years. It doesn't happen to all HCs, but it seems around 10 years with the same team, they stop creating and start managing. I think that's what did MM in, although it's certainly more complicated than that. From what I've seen of him in Dallas so far, MM hasn't changed from the guy who left GB.

 

[Heyjoe4]

True. I think it’s safe to say he’s earned his $11m money. Obviously he was a Day3 selection so his rookie money was minimal. The guy is just such a consummate professional both on and off the field. I’m more responding to some notion that he’s been “overpaid”. If anything he’s earned every dollar and then some. Very happy we retained him.

If Rodgers stays, I want us to resign Lazard.
Personally, I’d let Tonyan Walk for anything past around $2.5-3M area (or shaving 1M from last year). Either way I’d be looking very closely at selecting a TE, ideally before we close out Rounds 1-2.

Yeah I think any way you look at it, the Packers got a very good deal with Jones. He's a team-first guy. Could use a few more of those.....

And as for Tonyan, I just don't think he's worth keeping. Maybe for $2.5 -3 mil. This draft has four solid TEs who will likely go in the first two rounds. I like Mayer the best, but all four are producers, and to varying degrees, blockers.

 

[Heyjoe4]

I saw that. From a players and talent perspective Dallas would be very formidable with #12.

It’s an odd dynamic. Jerry is a control freak (or at least he has been) and also there would have to a major trade deal with Prescott locked down financially and there’s a
“no-trade” clause. It’s fun to talk about (really not even that!) but I don’t see it.

First I've heard of it. Actually I don't think Rodgers would want to play for MM again. And there would be the problem of what to do with Prescott. It's almost certainly not gonna happen, but it is fun to speculate. And Jerry's not getting younger, and he is nuts, so who knows?

 

[tynimiller]

Yes. Resigning Lewis for 1 more season would be a given, so technically you’d have at minimum Lewis and Deguara as veterans. Like you said wed look to replace Tonyan through the draft with a young alternative. I don’t like the idea of long term offer on Tonyan. I know you mean well, but we can get near his production or better in the draft and possibly at less $

I respect your opinion. but not sure if you noticed Big Bobby finished with a career low 8.9 per catch on 53 catches and just 2 TD’s across 17 games. That’s not numbers that give me warm fuzzies on a TE who turns 30yrs old in 1 year.
Now. That said. If Bobby would sign a no brainer, 2X$5.5M-$6Mil type deal (give or take) You might catch my ear a little. We just essentially broke even on a $3.75mil and he’s getting older not younger.
$10m guaranteed is too rich for my blood for Bobby.

My thought involves upgrading at TE. That includes spending anywhere from #15 to #78 in some capacity through gyrating around the draft board as needed.

My thought could have been touch rich and more what he and his agent would be desiring, but numbers and history point to him not necessarily progressing like Conklin was when he signed.

I think Gute and Co sit on Tonyan until after the draft personally unless #12 says he's back and wants Bobby in house if able.

Tonyan is a guy I don't want to circle what the market will give him...I have 6 other TEs in FA that are clearly better options than him....he doesn't take a GB friendly deal he could be left not making what he hoped - I truthfully think a multi year deal here would be more attractive for him albeit for less than a one year bet on himself deal elsewhere.

 

[Pokerbrat2000]

Sorry but Love and Rodgers won’t be on the same team next year. One of the other.

Yup I said it towards the end of the season, I don't see a 2023 where both are in GB. I won't guarantee it as of course there is a very small chance...but honestly I feel there is more of a chance neither is here than both are.

I've thought the same thing, but there is a scenario where I think Love and Rodgers will both be on the team. Rodgers tells the Packers he wants to play for 1 and only 1 year and then he 100% is going to retire. In that case, I still would be fine with the Packers trading Rodgers, but if they keep him and still think Love is the guy, they they lock Love in for the 5th year at $20M and convince him this is what is best for him, one more year on the bench and then he is the starter.

Things that prevent both being on the team in 2023:

No Rodgers scenarios:

1. Rodgers retires
2. Rodgers demands a trade
3. Packers decide to trade Rodgers and keep Love

No Love scenarios:

1. Rodgers and the Packers want to go another year and Love
will have no part of it
2. The Packers trade Love
3. Love retires

WILD CARD SCENARIOS (as likely as Packers making 2022 playoffs):

1. Both Players are traded to the same team.
2. Both Players are in Green Bay, but Love starts over Rodgers.

 

[Heyjoe4]

I've thought the same thing, but there is a scenario where I think Love and Rodgers will both be on the team. Rodgers tells the Packers he wants to play for 1 and only 1 year and then he 100% is going to retire. In that case, I still would be fine with the Packers trading Rodgers, but if they keep him and still think Love is the guy, they they lock Love in for the 5th year at $20M and convince him this is what is best for him, one more year on the bench and then he is the starter.

Things that prevent both being on the team in 2023:

No Rodgers scenarios:

1. Rodgers retires
2. Rodgers demands a trade
3. Packers decide to trade Rodgers and keep Love

No Love scenarios:

1. Rodgers and the Packers want to go another year and Love
will have no part of it
2. The Packers trade Love
3. Love retires

WILD CARD SCENARIOS (as likely as Packers making 2022 playoffs):

1. Both Players are traded to the same team.
2. Both Players are in Green Bay, but Love starts over Rodgers.

What's the deadline for exercising Love's fifth year option? Thx.

 

[tynimiller]

What's the deadline for exercising Love's fifth year option? Thx.

May 1st

 

[Pokerbrat2000]

What's the deadline for exercising Love's fifth year option? Thx.

May 1st

Correct, May 1st of THIS year, for the 2024 season. Which is why it is really too bad the Packers didn't get to evaluate Love in some real games last season.

 

[Pokerbrat2000]

Honestly, I'm willing to sign Tonyan to a long term TE2 contract. Tonyan is the type of guy that may just sign a deal which is reasonable, likely not to be cancelled by the team if I keep producing but is arguably less than I could play into elsewhere.....but that risk also could lead him to never seeing more....

Honestly, I wouldn't be opposed to a four year deal totaling $18M

$3.5M first year, $4.5M second year, $5M third year, $5M fourth year - $10M guaranteed.

That guarantee is same as Tyler Conklin got, similar first year hit and just hair less total contract money (Conklin got $20.25M total...if he sees it) But Conklin was younger than Tonyan.

You could boost the guaranteed money up a mill or two max though to illustrate to him and agent look per year less than Conk, but more guarantee...or preferrably I'd do like a $500,000 bonus each year he is active for 75% of the games or more.

Problem with Tonyan is he was hot ONE year, but otherwise has illustrated to be nothing more than a TE2 ceiling guy.

I would really like to see the Packers invest in one of the top 3-4 TE's in the draft (Mayer, Kincaid, Musgrave or Washington). If their hope/plan is to do that, than Tonyan is totally expendable. I saw a lot of quality TE play in the playoffs and Super Bowl, Tonyan will never be at that level IMO. Now if there aren't a lot of suitors for him, then perhaps bring him back on a cheap-ish $3-4M per year, but I still think the money could be better spent elsewhere. I would even be excited if they double dipped on TE, got Mayer in round 1 and then early day 3, draft Spann-Ford, to give them the blocking and potential receiving that they currently are getting from Lewis and Tonyan.

 

[tynimiller]

I would really like to see the Packers invest in one of the top 3-4 TE's in the draft (Mayer, Kincaid, Musgrave or Washington). If their hope/plan is to do that, than Tonyan is totally expendable. I saw a lot of quality TE play in the playoffs and Super Bowl, Tonyan will never be at that level IMO. Now if there aren't a lot of suitors for him, then perhaps bring him back on a cheap-ish $3-4M per year, but I still think the money could be better spent elsewhere. I would even be excited if they double dipped on TE, got Mayer in round 1 and then early day 3, draft Spann-Ford, to give them the blocking and potential receiving that they currently are getting from Lewis and Tonyan.

What I proposed in no way changes my desire to the draft. There are five TEs this draft that honestly short of miracle prospect drops I must leave the draft with one.

Shoot I don’t care if Tonyan and Big Dog both sign cheap I’m still doing that.

 

[Heyjoe4]

Correct, May 1st of THIS year, for the 2024 season. Which is why it is really too bad the Packers didn't get to evaluate Love in some real games last season.

Well, I guess in order, Rodgers has to decide if he's gonna play, if he's gonna play for the Packers, and if he stays in GB, they trade Love, if he goes somewhere else, they pay Love and start him. $20 mil isn't what it used to be for a starting QB. Well, assuming he's still in GB. Kinda confusing. when is the darkness retreat over? Will we know?

 

[Pokerbrat2000]

when is the darkness retreat over?

When he sees his shadow.

Who knows when he will make his decision. Could be another 6 weeks of speculation.

 

[tynimiller]

Yup. He was VERY specific clarity and a decision may not occur during this “darkness” trip.

I fear this carousel is gonna spin for awhile yet

 

[Heyjoe4]

When he sees his shadow.

Who knows when he will make his decision. Could be another 6 weeks of speculation.

Yeah, exactly like Groundhog Day! I hope it's sunny where he is or he could be in there forever. Wherever that is.

 

[Pokerbrat2000]

Yeah, exactly like Groundhog Day! I hope it's sunny where he is or he could be in there forever. Wherever that is.

Exactly! Third year in a row.

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[Mondio]

Did I just read this correctly? The Silverstein article is basically reporting on a conversation between Bob McGinn and Tyler Dunne?

And it was McGinn, who has basically taken every worst case scenario with anything to do with Rodgers for basically the 5 years and has been right on pretty much zero, that said the Packers were disgusted and moving on?

And he cited “his own instincts” and “knowledge of the league”?

This is what passes as legitimate journalism these days?

 

[tynimiller]

Did I just read this correctly? The Silverstein article is basically reporting on a conversation between Bob McGinn and Tyler Dunne?

And it was McGinn, who has basically taken every worst case scenario with anything to do with Rodgers for basically the 5 years and has been right on pretty much zero, that said the Packers were disgusted and moving on?

And he cited “his own instincts” and “knowledge of the league”?

This is what passes as legitimate journalism these days?

No one is placing any significant weight on the claims…is there a possibility it true of course…just as much as that none of it is. The worst case is if there is as much of both….and neither side is going to be happy.

 

[Mondio]

No one is placing any significant weight on the claims…is there a possibility it true of course…just as much as that none of it is. The worst case is if there is as much of both….and neither side is going to be happy.

Oh, yet some will be thought of as apologists for wondering why something like this is even brought into a discussion as if it has any more merit than 2 dudes on a drunk on bar stools. Bob’s instincts lol. Didn’t he claim the same like 3 years ago?

Like I asked, this passes as journalism these days?