Rodgers reportedly disgruntled, does not want to return to the Packers

[OldSchool101]

It is a dollar amount, but I wouldn't call it a "hard" dollar amount. The reason I say that, teams can take a $50M/year salary and turn it into a $2M cap hit this season, by shoving the other $48M out to other seasons.

My wife and I agreed to keep her c/c below 50% of her available high credit. She failed to tell me she doubled her credit line!

 

[Pokerbrat2000]

My wife and I agreed to keep her c/c below 50% of her available high credit. She failed to tell me she doubled her credit line!

If you transfer that balance to 25 other cards, you should be able to just keep spending! I swear, I saw it done in the NFL once or twice!

 

[Heyjoe4]

It is a dollar amount, but I wouldn't call it a "hard" dollar amount. The reason I say that, teams can take a $50M/year salary and turn it into a $2M cap hit this season, by shoving the other $48M out to other seasons.

Yeah I just meant the cap for a season is set. I coulda made that clearer.

 

[Deleted member 6794]

Keep in mind, that number is just his cap hit, the Packers are actually paying him more than $50M/year. So in reality, Rodgers salary is 22% of the total amount a team can spend ($224.8M).

As I have mentioned several times, the cap hit is the most important number to look at. While teams definitely need to consider cap implications in future seasons as well it's mostly an afterthought for most clubs in the league as they're well aware it takes only one rebuilding year to get out of cap issues.

As a side note, the Packers paying Rodgers more than $50 million a season is only true if you ignore the last two seasons of his contract in 2025 and '26 as well. Interestingly nobody does that for any other contract in the league.

 

[OldSchool101]

If you transfer that balance to 25 other cards, you should be able to just keep spending! I swear, I saw it done in the NFL once or twice!

That’s great I’ve used that in 2000 to pay off a large student loan. I just transferred that ol Sallie at 0% and each 12-15 months opened another card and transferred that one again and again until I had 5 C/C’s
I paid $23K in 5 years at 0% and that’s Gods truth. I don’t Recommend this though it’s far too responsible, I’d rather you ask Biden to pay yours with our Federal tax $$

Until then I’ll just keep convincing myself by repeating. “It’s only the purchases she made today that count towards bankruptcy..
It’s only the purchases she made today that count towards bankruptcy it’s only the purchases she made today that count”

This part I know from being college, ramen noodles broke…
If anyone should be disgruntled it should be the Packers. Our return on investment is worse than the 2022 stock market.

 

[Heyjoe4]

That’s great I’ve used that in 2000 to pay off a large student loan. I just transferred that ol Sallie at 0% and each 12-15 months opened another card and transferred that one again and again until I had 5 C/C’s
I paid $23K in 5 years at 0% and that’s Gods truth. I don’t Recommend this though it’s far too responsible, I’d rather you ask Biden to pay yours with our Federal tax $$

Until then I’ll just keep convincing myself by repeating. “It’s only the purchases she made today that count towards bankruptcy..
It’s only the purchases she made today that count towards bankruptcy it’s only the purchases she made today that count”

This part I know from being college, ramen noodles broke…
If anyone should be disgruntled it should be the Packers. Our return on investment is worse than the 2022 stock market.

Yeah considering the big deals given to Rodgers, Bakh, Alexander - the ROIC has been bad. Jones is a bargain though.....

 

[Deleted member 6794]

Yeah considering the big deals given to Rodgers, Bakh, Alexander - the ROIC has been bad. Jones is a bargain though.....

While Jones hasn't been significantly overpaid he has been far from a bargain as well.

 

[rmontro]

It is a dollar amount, but I wouldn't call it a "hard" dollar amount. The reason I say that, teams can take a $50M/year salary and turn it into a $2M cap hit this season, by shoving the other $48M out to other seasons.

It would be interesting to see how teams would work if there really was a hard cap (that you couldn't push to other seasons) - If you paid someone a three year $60 million contract, it would cost you $20 million each year in cap. I'm sure the NFLPA likes it this way though.

 

[Pokerbrat2000]

It would be interesting to see how teams would work if there really was a hard cap (that you couldn't push to other seasons) - If you paid someone a three year $60 million contract, it would cost you $20 million each year in cap. I'm sure the NFLPA likes it this way though.

I can see pluses and minuses of doing it either way. I think top teams would have a harder time staying on top, if it was a hard cap. You would probably see more top free agents hit the market, since it might be harder for a team to resign them. A hard cap would definitely pich a team hard if they guaranteed a player too much money and said player didn't pan out.

 

[Pokerbrat2000]

Interesting take from Silverstein, of course, just another media guy speculating.

From reporting by Tom Silverstein of the Milwaukee Journal Sentinel: “At one point late last year, Green Bay Packers general manager Brian Gutekunst told an NFL colleague he was convinced it was time the organization move on from quarterback Aaron Rodgers and see what Jordan Love had in him.”

Report: Packers GM was ready to transition from Aaron Rodgers to Jordan Love late in 2022

Reporting from Tom Silverstein states that Packers GM Brian Gutekunst has been ready to transition from Aaron Rodgers to Jordan Love.

packerswire.usatoday.com

 

[longtimefan]

Interesting take from Silverstein, of course, just another media guy speculating.

From reporting by Tom Silverstein of the Milwaukee Journal Sentinel: “At one point late last year, Green Bay Packers general manager Brian Gutekunst told an NFL colleague he was convinced it was time the organization move on from quarterback Aaron Rodgers and see what Jordan Love had in him.”

Fake news

how dare anyone say that!

 

[Pokerbrat2000]

Fake news

how dare anyone say that!

I know, I'm only believing what Aaron Rodgers says, under oath.....in total light .

 

[longtimefan]

Wonder how much pr is playing into all this for the Packers

Are they really looking to move on but afraid of the backlash?

 

[Pkrjones]

Interesting take from Silverstein, of course, just another media guy speculating.

From reporting by Tom Silverstein of the Milwaukee Journal Sentinel: “At one point late last year, Green Bay Packers general manager Brian Gutekunst told an NFL colleague he was convinced it was time the organization move on from quarterback Aaron Rodgers and see what Jordan Love had in him.”

Report: Packers GM was ready to transition from Aaron Rodgers to Jordan Love late in 2022

Reporting from Tom Silverstein states that Packers GM Brian Gutekunst has been ready to transition from Aaron Rodgers to Jordan Love.

packerswire.usatoday.com

I'm leaning towards this Silverstein article being BS. Gute had complete control over the AR situation and chose to let him continue playing with a f'd up thumb. Dec.1 I was advocating in the Draft '23 thread for Gute to IR Rodgers & allow all to see Love starting the last 5 games of the season. When did (supposedly) Gute decide it would be good to move on from AR...AFTER they didn't make the playoffs?!?!?

 

[Pokerbrat2000]

I'm leaning towards this Silverstein article being BS. Gute had complete control over the AR situation and chose to let him continue playing with a f'd up thumb. Dec.1 I was advocating in the Draft '23 thread for Gute to IR Rodgers & allow all to see Love starting the last 5 games of the season. When did (supposedly) Gute decide it would be good to move on from AR...AFTER they didn't make the playoffs?!?!?

You and I were on the same page, wanting Love to play the last 5 games. However, I think that we were in the minority and most wanted to see the Packers try to win it all, despite the odds. Gute and MLF were faced with a tough decision, do you call it a season, bench/IR Rodgers and face the wrath of Rodgers, teammates and fans? No, that would have probably been a very unpopular move, despite the benefits. It wouldn't surprise me though if Gute may have quietly wanted to see the Packers eliminated from playoff contention and thus allowing the insertion of Love, without anyone questioning it. A thought he may have shared with someone.

 

[Jayzee1981]

You and I were on the same page, wanting Love to play the last 5 games. However, I think that we were in the minority and most wanted to see the Packers try to win it all, despite the odds. Gute and MLF were faced with a tough decision, do you call it a season, bench/IR Rodgers and face the wrath of Rodgers, teammates and fans? No, that would have probably been a very unpopular move, despite the benefits. It wouldn't surprise me though if Gute may have quietly wanted to see the Packers eliminated from playoff contention and thus allowing the insertion of Love, without anyone questioning it. A thought he may have shared with someone.

It’s too bad the fan boys couldn’t take their fan glasses off and come back to reality. I’m no way was this a playoff team let alone one that would do damage in the playoffs

 

[Pokerbrat2000]

It’s too bad the fan boys couldn’t take their fan glasses off and come back to reality. I’m no way was this a playoff team let alone one that would do damage in the playoffs

Unfortunately, we are in a small minority that believes that. Those final 4 wins cost the Packers a lot more than what they gained that is for sure. Sadly, the majority will never admit that and preach to you that "we can't instill a loser mentality". Yeah right, because doing what is best for the team in the long term, will install a loser mentality ....weak minded people think and believe that crap.

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[Mondio]

Oh look, the twit is back. Taking shots while pretending to ignore people lol.

You guys can have your thread. Carry on

 

[OldSchool101]

While Jones hasn't been significantly overpaid he has been far from a bargain as well.

That term bargain is subjective. Yet it has to do with his overall value to the team and can somewhat be quantified.
In the last 6 seasons:
7,000+ All Purpose Yards
60 TD’s
VS
$24M ($4M avg)

Even including the 2023 season, he’s had a $5M average annual payout and at his pace will have around 8,500 yards and 70 TD’s for a career cost of around $35M.

How many players have more production for less money over their first 6-7 seasons?

 

[tynimiller]

That term bargain is subjective. Yet it has to do with his overall value to the team and can somewhat be quantified.
In the last 6 seasons:
7,000+ All Purpose Yards
60 TD’s
VS
$24M ($4M avg)

Even including the 2023 season, he’s had a $5M average annual payout and at his pace will have around 8,500 yards and 70 TD’s for a career cost of around $35M.

How many players have more production for less money over their first 6-7 seasons?

It is a VERY short list….

 

[Heyjoe4]

While Jones hasn't been significantly overpaid he has been far from a bargain as well.

Yeah bargain maybe wasn't the right word. He's been productive and as far as I know, paid at a competitive salary for similar production. It sounds like he gave up $5 mil to stay in GB. Now that's a bargain, or just a guy who wants to win a championship. At any rate, he's a guy with good character, good team guy, and he puts up a lot of production.

 

[Heyjoe4]

It is a VERY short list….

Yeah both you and Old School are right. Thanks for the stats Old School. When I used the word bargain, I was thinking of him giving up $5 mil to stay with the team as stated in the article. A RB who puts up 7,000 plus all purpose yards over 6 seasons (and is a very good receiver) is bound to make a lot more money playing somewhere else.

 

[Heyjoe4]

Unfortunately, we are in a small minority that believes that. Those final 4 wins cost the Packers a lot more than what they gained that is for sure. Sadly, the majority will never admit that and preach to you that "we can't instill a loser mentality". Yeah right, because doing what is best for the team in the long term, will install a loser mentality ....weak minded people think and believe that crap.

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Yeah I think most of us who looked realistically at the Packers' post-season opportunities with 5 weeks left wanted to see Love play. Now with that said, a lot of external things fell exactly in the Packers' direction, except for the last game they controlled, and they lost that.

Pulling Rodgers for Love was probably a complete PR non-starter, even though it would have been the better move for the long term.

 

[Pokerbrat2000]

The one thing I will say for Aaron Jones, is he is consistently earning his paycheck, by being super reliable and just all around solid at what he does. How many times have we seen teams give that sensational rookie a 2nd contract and it bites them in the butt? Jones is 28 and barring any major injuries, which he has also steered clear of, he should be pretty productive for another 2-4 years.

I don't pay a lot of attention to the Cowboys, but I have heard a ton of grumbling about Zeke Elliott and that the Cowboys shouldn't have paid him so much (around $15M/year). He is will also be 28 in July.

 

[Heyjoe4]

The one thing I will say for Aaron Jones, is he is consistently earning his paycheck, super reliable and just all around solid at what he does. How many times have we seen teams give that sensational rookie a 2nd contract and it bites them in the butt? Jones is 28 and barring any major injuries, which he has also steered clear of, he should be pretty productive for another 2-4 years.

I don't pay a lot of attention to the Cowboys, but I have heard a ton of grumbling about Zeke Elliott and that the Cowboys shouldn't have paid him so much (around $15M/year). He is will also be 28 in July.

That's a good comparison. I wouldn't trade Jones for Elliott in a million years. I thought Elliott was a lot older.

And yeah Jones has been very durable for a RB. That's amazing considering his size and the hits he takes. He has a huge heart.