Rodgers reportedly disgruntled, does not want to return to the Packers

[Pokerbrat2000]

A year late to the party, but still somewhat applicable.

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[Pugger]

You and I were on the same page, wanting Love to play the last 5 games. However, I think that we were in the minority and most wanted to see the Packers try to win it all, despite the odds. Gute and MLF were faced with a tough decision, do you call it a season, bench/IR Rodgers and face the wrath of Rodgers, teammates and fans? No, that would have probably been a very unpopular move, despite the benefits. It wouldn't surprise me though if Gute may have quietly wanted to see the Packers eliminated from playoff contention and thus allowing the insertion of Love, without anyone questioning it. A thought he may have shared with someone.

If Gute and MLF thought Rodgers gave us the best chance of winning they would be committing professional suicide if they benched him and the team started losing. This is why teams don't purposely tank either. Losing will quickly make you unemployed in sports kinda quick.

 

[Pokerbrat2000]

If Gute and MLF thought Rodgers gave us the best chance of winning they would be committing professional suicide if they benched him and the team started losing. This is why teams don't purposely tank either. Losing will quickly make you unemployed in sports kinda quick.

Started losing? They were already losing and sitting at 4-8 after the Eagles game, losing 7 of 8 of their last games. Rodgers was injured and the team was not looking anything like a contender. I highly doubt Gute or MLF lose their job, had they played the last 5 games with Love at QB, even if the Packers finished at 4-13. Now Joe Barry, he might have lost his job in that scenario.

 

[Heyjoe4]

A year late to the party, but still somewhat applicable.

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I've never seen this. It's hilarious. (And BTW, it's a very good movie. I think it's called The Bunker.)

 

[Heyjoe4]

Started losing? They were already losing and sitting at 4-8 after the Eagles game, losing 7 of 8 of their last games. Rodgers was injured and the team was not looking anything like a contender. I highly doubt Gute or MLF lose their job, had they played the last 5 games with Love at QB, even if the Packers finished at 4-13. Now Joe Barry, he might have lost his job in that scenario.

To your last point, why on earth is MLF keeping Barry? That's a question for all of us. I don't know the answer. Clearly MLF is the best positioned to make such a call. It just seemed like Barry was in way over his head as a DC. The 0-16 Lions' season he was part of may have been a clue.......

What worries member is MLF's judgement. And at too many times during the year, when things were going south, he looked lost on the sidelines. Just my opinion. In his defense, he kept the team together going from 4-8 to 8-9. even so.....

 

[Pokerbrat2000]

I've never seen this. It's hilarious. (And BTW, it's a very good movie. I think it's called The Bunker.)

Actually, I think the name of the movie that the clips are from was "Downfall". You are right though, I thought it was a very good movie.

 

[Pokerbrat2000]

To your last point, why on earth is MLF keeping Barry? That's a question for all of us. I don't know the answer. Clearly MLF is the best positioned to make such a call. It just seemed like Barry was in way over his head as a DC. The 0-16 Lions' season he was part of may have been a clue.......

What worries member is MLF's judgement. And at too many times during the year, when things were going south, he looked lost on the sidelines. Just my opinion. In his defense, he kept the team together going from 4-8 to 8-9. even so.....

As far as Barry goes, I seriously think those final 4 wins, saved his job. Most of us are scratching our heads that he is still in Green Bay, but MLF and Gute, for that matter, must like what they see from him. As far as the offense goes, I would say that there was more issues with not enough talent on that side of the ball, throw in Rodgers injuries and they just weren't going to do much, especially against the really good defenses.

I like MLF as HC, not sure WTF he is doing with Barry, but that is my only big question mark on the guy so far.

 

[Pokerbrat2000]

I've never seen this. It's hilarious. (And BTW, it's a very good movie. I think it's called The Bunker.)

I liked this one too, more current.

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[Heyjoe4]

As far as Barry goes, I seriously think those final 4 wins, saved his job. Most of us are scratching our heads that he is still in Green Bay, but MLF and Gute, for that matter, must like what they see from him. As far as the offense goes, I would say that there was more issues with not enough talent on that side of the ball, throw in Rodgers injuries and they just weren't going to do much, especially against the really good defenses.

I like MLF as HC, not sure WTF he is doing with Barry, but that is my only big question mark on the guy so far.

I agree with you. And yeah, those 4 straight wins were the best performances by the D. And I'll give MLF the benefit of the doubt. He's a far better HC than McCarthy. And in fairness, yeah that offense just didn't have the receiving talent to compete with the best. I expect 2023 to be much better, and hope Gluten finds an impact TE in the draft. It's a very good year for TEs for a change.

 

[Pugger]

Started losing? They were already losing and sitting at 4-8 after the Eagles game, losing 7 of 8 of their last games. Rodgers was injured and the team was not looking anything like a contender. I highly doubt Gute or MLF lose their job, had they played the last 5 games with Love at QB, even if the Packers finished at 4-13. Now Joe Barry, he might have lost his job in that scenario.

It tells me even after the Eagles game they still felt AR gave them the best chance to win even though he had a broken thumb. I worry about Love and if he is ready to take over the reins. This coming season will be Love's 3rd season (his rookie season was a lost season

You won't get an argument from me about Barry. Why that clown still is our DC is one of life's mysteries and I suspect keeping him as our DC will be the death knell for MLF quicker than anything. IMO the performance of this defense when you consider the investment of draft picks on that side of the ball has held this team back more than the play of AR and the offense (ST was a close second).

 

[Pokerbrat2000]

I worry about Love and if he is ready to take over the reins. This coming season will be Love's 3rd season (his rookie season was a lost season

A legit concern for sure, but the Rodgers ride is about done and at some point, you need to get off of it. I think even if Rodgers decides to play again for the Packers and both sides are amenable, they are still a long shot to win the Super Bowl. Now seems to be the time that you take what you can get for Rodgers and just as important, see what Love has. If Rodgers is in a Green Bay uniform next season, I don't expect to see Love in Green Bay.

 

[Pugger]

A legit concern for sure, but the Rodgers ride is about done and at some point, you need to get off of it. I think even if Rodgers decides to play again for the Packers and both sides are amenable, they are still a long shot to win the Super Bowl. Now seems to be the time that you take what you can get for Rodgers and just as important, see what Love has. If Rodgers is in a Green Bay uniform next season, I don't expect to see Love in Green Bay.

Maybe. But if Rodgers is back in GB this coming season I suspect it will be his last and he will retire as a Packer - something he has repeatedly said he desires. One more season of grooming might be what Love needs. His rookie season was lost because of COVID and no offseason work. It took 3 years behind Favre before Rodgers was ready so in my mind 2023 will be Love's 3rd full season and perhaps by then he will be set to take over the reins. Without a lot of tape Love doesn't have a lot of ammo to present to another club to entice them to sign him. His best chance to succeed might be right where he is.

 

[Deleted member 6794]

Interesting take from Silverstein, of course, just another media guy speculating.

From reporting by Tom Silverstein of the Milwaukee Journal Sentinel: “At one point late last year, Green Bay Packers general manager Brian Gutekunst told an NFL colleague he was convinced it was time the organization move on from quarterback Aaron Rodgers and see what Jordan Love had in him.”

Report: Packers GM was ready to transition from Aaron Rodgers to Jordan Love late in 2022

Reporting from Tom Silverstein states that Packers GM Brian Gutekunst has been ready to transition from Aaron Rodgers to Jordan Love.

packerswire.usatoday.com

Silverstein did such a great job researching for that article that I had to correct him on Twitter on how much Rodgers would count against the cap for a team acquiring him next season. Therefore I'm sorry if I don't put a ton of stock into anything else he wrote in that piece.

It’s too bad the fan boys couldn’t take their fan glasses off and come back to reality. I’m no way was this a playoff team let alone one that would do damage in the playoffs

The Packers were one win against the Lions away from securing a playoff spot. There were actually pretty close to being a playoff team.

That term bargain is subjective. Yet it has to do with his overall value to the team and can somewhat be quantified.
In the last 6 seasons:
7,000+ All Purpose Yards
60 TD’s
VS
$24M ($4M avg)

Even including the 2023 season, he’s had a $5M average annual payout and at his pace will have around 8,500 yards and 70 TD’s for a career cost of around $35M.

How many players have more production for less money over their first 6-7 seasons?

Jones was definitely a bargain over the first four seasons while being on a fifth round rookie deal. In my opinion that's not particularly true over the past two years though.

Yeah bargain maybe wasn't the right word. He's been productive and as far as I know, paid at a competitive salary for similar production. It sounds like he gave up $5 mil to stay in GB. Now that's a bargain, or just a guy who wants to win a championship. At any rate, he's a guy with good character, good team guy, and he puts up a lot of production.

I definitely agree that Jones is a guy with a great character. Him giving up $5 million to stay with the Packers only solidifies that take.

And I'll give MLF the benefit of the doubt. He's a far better HC than McCarthy.

In my opinion MLF hasn't proven that statement is correct so far.

 

[Pokerbrat2000]

Silverstein did such a great job researching for that article that I had to correct him on Twitter on how much Rodgers would count against the cap for a team acquiring him next season. Therefore I'm sorry if I don't put a ton of stock into anything else he wrote in that piece.

I see how that works. He gets the cap number wrong, so it makes everything else that he says wrong. Glad you were there to correct him.

 

[Schultz]

It certainly doesn't give the reader a lot of confidence in the article's accuracy. IMO.

 

[Mondio]

It certainly doesn't give the reader a lot of confidence in the article's accuracy. IMO.

and the bulk of the "reporting" these days is basically, " Someone is reporting they heard someone say..." and then it gets regurgitated over and over again until it's believed.

There's been a history of this stuff lately. I supposed it could be true, but then other than saying it, there isn't any evidence of it. At least none they provide. Again.

 

[tynimiller]

A lot of the issue in reporting a cap hit for teams acquiring him is there are two figures as it is now - one with that option exercised and one without...two very big differences. Silverstein just got it wrong is all, we see it every day. Something a reporter shouldn't get wrong but not like an unforgivable offense.

 

[Pokerbrat2000]

A lot of the issue in reporting a cap hit for teams acquiring him is there are two figures as it is now - one with that option exercised and one without...two very big differences. Silverstein just got it wrong is all, we see it every day. Something a reporter shouldn't get wrong but not like an unforgivable offense.

Exactly. Most people make many mistakes throughout their lifetime, it is how we learn. Interesting that people will actually call someone out on a mistake, such as a cap hit and use that to discredit everything else which that person says. Must be nice to live a perfect life and hold others to the same standard.

Much of what some of us read in the Media are opinion pieces and where applicable, the reporter might throw in a named source, an unnamed source or just their hunch, based on what they know. People that get offended by opinion pieces shouldn't read them. I have no problem with people disagreeing with an opinion, but support your different opinion with facts or your assumptions. If all you have to say is "he missed a fact, I really can't trust anything he says now."...good luck in life.

 

[OldSchool101]

Yeah both you and Old School are right. Thanks for the stats Old School. When I used the word bargain, I was thinking of him giving up $5 mil to stay with the team as stated in the article. A RB who puts up 7,000 plus all purpose yards over 6 seasons (and is a very good receiver) is bound to make a lot more money playing somewhere else.

True. I think it’s safe to say he’s earned his $11m money. Obviously he was a Day3 selection so his rookie money was minimal. The guy is just such a consummate professional both on and off the field. I’m more responding to some notion that he’s been “overpaid”. If anything he’s earned every dollar and then some. Very happy we retained him.

If Rodgers stays, I want us to resign Lazard.
Personally, I’d let Tonyan Walk for anything past around $2.5-3M area (or shaving 1M from last year). Either way I’d be looking very closely at selecting a TE, ideally before we close out Rounds 1-2.

 

[Mondio]

again, it has nothing to do with being offended by someone's opinion. None whatsoever. This stuff has been going on for a while. They're more "hit pieces" than opinion pieces IMO. Just like the stuff what's his name broke the night before the draft. Just sitting on some loosely based statements for months to unleash his agenda night before draft. Turns out he was 'right" on very little.

and it's been more of the same since. IMO, if the packers were really "disgusted with Rodgers" and had made the decision to move on, they would have. It was ripe for it. You don't give 150M dollar contracts to people you can't wait to get rid of. You don't keep playing a QB you're disgusted with in the midst of losing streaks when you've traded up for his replacement 3 years ago.

If that's who we have leading this team, he needs to go. I don't believe it is.
YOu see some of us can have conversations and share opinions as I just did. This is why I don't believe stuff like that when almost none has been proven true over the past few seasons.

But then the twit whit shows up talking his game about conversations and debates but just makes quips and tries to lob insults and mock anybody that doesn't see it the same way he does.

 

[OldSchool101]

Exactly. Most people make many mistakes throughout their lifetime, it is how we learn. Interesting that people will actually call someone out on a mistake, such as a cap hit and use that to discredit everything else which that person says. Must be nice to live a perfect life and hold others to the same standard.

Much of what some of us read in the Media are opinion pieces and where applicable, the reporter might throw in a named source, an unnamed source or just their hunch, based on what they know. People that get offended by opinion pieces shouldn't read them. I have no problem with people disagreeing with an opinion, but support your different opinion with facts or your assumptions. If all you have to say is "he missed a fact, I really can't trust anything he says now."...good luck in life.

Well put.

 

[OldSchool101]

I liked this one too, more current.

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Is that really Adam Schefter? He’s very intense.. we need that passion in GB!

Did she really call His Momma fat? That’s low

 

[tynimiller]

True. I think it’s safe to say he’s earned his $11m money. Obviously he was a Day3 selection so his rookie money was minimal. The guy is just such a consummate professional both on and off the field. I’m more responding to some notion that he’s been “overpaid”. If anything he’s earned every dollar and then some. Very happy we retained him.

If Rodgers stays, I want us to resign Lazard.
Personally, I’d let Tonyan Walk for anything past around $2.5-3M area (or shaving 1M from last year). Either way I’d be looking very closely at selecting a TE, ideally before we close out Rounds 1-2.

Honestly, I'm willing to sign Tonyan to a long term TE2 contract. Tonyan is the type of guy that may just sign a deal which is reasonable, likely not to be cancelled by the team if I keep producing but is arguably less than I could play into elsewhere.....but that risk also could lead him to never seeing more....

Honestly, I wouldn't be opposed to a four year deal totaling $18M

$3.5M first year, $4.5M second year, $5M third year, $5M fourth year - $10M guaranteed.

That guarantee is same as Tyler Conklin got, similar first year hit and just hair less total contract money (Conklin got $20.25M total...if he sees it) But Conklin was younger than Tonyan.

You could boost the guaranteed money up a mill or two max though to illustrate to him and agent look per year less than Conk, but more guarantee...or preferrably I'd do like a $500,000 bonus each year he is active for 75% of the games or more.

Problem with Tonyan is he was hot ONE year, but otherwise has illustrated to be nothing more than a TE2 ceiling guy.

 

[OldSchool101]

Honestly, I'm willing to sign Tonyan to a long term TE2 contract. Tonyan is the type of guy that may just sign a deal which is reasonable, likely not to be cancelled by the team if I keep producing but is arguably less than I could play into elsewhere.....but that risk also could lead him to never seeing more....

Honestly, I wouldn't be opposed to a four year deal totaling $18M

$3.5M first year, $4.5M second year, $5M third year, $5M fourth year - $10M guaranteed.

That guarantee is same as Tyler Conklin got, similar first year hit and just hair less total contract money (Conklin got $20.25M total...if he sees it) But Conklin was younger than Tonyan.

You could boost the guaranteed money up a mill or two max though to illustrate to him and agent look per year less than Conk, but more guarantee...or preferrably I'd do like a $500,000 bonus each year he is active for 75% of the games or more.

Problem with Tonyan is he was hot ONE year, but otherwise has illustrated to be nothing more than a TE2 ceiling guy.

Well I can appreciate that and there’s a couple ways to go. I’m more reluctant to sign a soon to be 29yr old TE with some injury history. However if we did? The only way he’s getting $10m is through performance incentives. I think he’s a 1 hit wonder, but otherwise on the good side of average

GB should go get an upgrade. If they do that I don’t want Tonyan taking snaps from a dynamic Rookie. Beyond Maher I’d be elated with Kincaid, Musgrave, Washington.

I think Sam Laporta would have risen substantial had he been featured in a Passing Offense. IF we miss on Maher or Kincaid he’s a solid Day2 prospect that will fill Tonyan shoes rather quickly.

 

[tynimiller]

Well I can appreciate that and there’s a couple ways to go. I’m more reluctant to sign a soon to be 29yr old converted TE with some injury history. However if we did? The only way he’s getting $10m is through performance incentives. I think he’s a 1 hit wonder, but otherwise very average. Good, but average.

GB should go get an upgrade. If they do that I don’t want Tonyan taking snaps from a dynamic Rookie. Beyond Maher I’d be elated with Kincaid, Musgrave, Washington.

I think Sam Laporta would have risen substantial had he been featured in a Passing Offense. IF we miss on Maher or Kincaid he’s a solid Day2 prospect that will fill Tonyan shoes rather quickly.

I'm not paying him to be a #1 there though, nor is he stealing ANY snaps from a high level rookie due to his salary at all.

I don't want to be in a Love era without Lewis AND Tonyan in 2023 personally. Now if a TE is the plan in Top 50 of the draft I'd 100% support resigning Lewis and drafting a guy and letting Tonyan see what he can get in FA marktet...I don't think he gets more than Conklin type numbers personally.

MLF system depends on TEs, it is not a good idea to be essentially training two of the three TE types his system uses in the same season as a first year starting QB.