Robert Tonyan - TE

[Deleted member 6794]

My guess is we should have some questions answered as to his status before September ball.

I'm interested in participation reports from training camp to get a feel on how recovery is going for the players who suffered injuries last year. Other than that I don't put any stock into what coaches tell the media about it.

 

[Heyjoe4]

I'm interested in participation reports from training camp to get a feel on how recovery is going for the players who suffered injuries last year. Other than that I don't put any stock into what coaches tell the media about it.

We can't count on local press to get answers. They're just not that good. Now you'd think that the local press would have some assets inside the organization (sounds like a spy novel). They don't.

Publications like The Athletic tend to be more on top of things, as does ESPN on occassion. I count on them more.

 

[OldSchool101]

I'm interested in participation reports from training camp to get a feel on how recovery is going for the players who suffered injuries last year. Other than that I don't put any stock into what coaches tell the media about it.

You reminded me of a concept that Holmgren used concerning the media leaks.

I remembered a story (I’m going from memory here so everyone be careful!) from the mid 1990’s leading up to the SB. Several media sources were diminishing the teams’ overall abilities after a couple of mid season losses. The player (that escapes my mind) being interviews said that Holmgren addressed those comments in a meeting. He told his players to kinda disguise themselves and go along with any media reports that were deemed negative. Basically told his players that were presented with media concerns about playing poorly to just act frustrated and discouraged etc.. lol.
Mike said said something to the effect of “we already know who we are” more sentiment than exact verbiage. I always remembered this because it was actually a tremendous compliment to his players and staff. Here’s a HC who believed so much in his team that he’d toy with the poor media coverage whenever possible.

Holmgren apparently loved it when the media was negative about his players and used that media to any strategic advantage possible.

I sometimes wonder. Does this staff similarly play the media to their advantage? Saying a player is ahead of schedule even if they are not? Who knows what’s said behind closed doors it’s all smoke n mirrors

 

[Deleted member 6794]

We can't count on local press to get answers. They're just not that good. Now you'd think that the local press would have some assets inside the organization (sounds like a spy novel). They don't.

Publications like The Athletic tend to be more on top of things, as does ESPN on occassion. I count on them more.

I believe the Packers' beat writers are pretty good. When it comes to injury reports I don't trust any rumors but only if a player is actually able to get on the field though.

I sometimes wonder. Does this staff similarly play the media to their advantage? Saying a player is ahead of schedule even if they are not? Who knows what’s said behind closed doors it’s all smoke n mirrors

I don't see any advantage in telling the media that a player is ahead of schedule in his recovery when he actually isn't.

 

[Heyjoe4]

I believe the Packers' beat writers are pretty good. When it comes to injury reports I don't trust any rumors but only if a player is actually able to get on the field though.



I don't see any advantage in telling the media that a player is ahead of schedule in his recovery when he actually isn't.

To both of your comments:

1. Yeah, the local press is decent and for the most part, fair and balanced. I lived in San Francisco for 18 years and when the Niners or Giants had bad years, or even average years, the press was brutal. I really don't like Silverstein but it seems to be more about the guy than the content. He needs to smile more.

2. There is zero advantage in telling the press that a player is ahead in his rehab. None. It violates a cardinal rule of selling and football - under promise and over deliver. I'll watch now but I don't think I've heard MLF describe a player as ahead of schedule. And really, I ignore injury reports. I know that gives fantasy guys fits but I wait to see who lines up on game day. For the same reason, I rarely bet on games - maybe if I'm in Vegas and even then it's not more than $20.

 

[El Guapo]

So, uhh, TE discussion in the TE thread. They gave Kyle Rudolph to Tom Brady down in Tampa. I liked Rudolph when he was younger. The Vikings let him go for a reason and he wasn't able to do much with the meager Giants offense. However, he would have been a good filler until Tonyan got back. I won't lose sleep over it but I would have rather had him than see Brady breath life back into his career.

 

[Heyjoe4]

So, uhh, TE discussion in the TE thread. They gave Kyle Rudolph to Tom Brady down in Tampa. I liked Rudolph when he was younger. The Vikings let him go for a reason and he wasn't able to do much with the meager Giants offense. However, he would have been a good filler until Tonyan got back. I won't lose sleep over it but I would have rather had him than see Brady breath life back into his career.

I gotta believe Gluten made a run at him. Maybe a money issue? Doesn't seem likely though.

 

[Deleted member 6794]

I'll watch now but I don't think I've heard MLF describe a player as ahead of schedule.

Last year, MLF mentioned that Bakhtiari was ahead of schedule in his rehab. We all know how that tunred out. It seems he's taking a smarter approach about it this offseason.

 

[Heyjoe4]

Last year, MLF mentioned that Bakhtiari was ahead of schedule in his rehab. We all know how that tunred out. It seems he's taking a smarter approach about it this offseason.

Yeah as I said, always better to under promise and over deliver. At the time, MLF was probably right based on info everyone had. I don't know if he made that comment before or after Bakh's second surgery. Doesn't really matter. What matters is getting Bakhtiari back. That's a question mark right now, unfortunately.

The knee is a complex joint, and ACL repair is major surgery. He's also said to have lost 10 to 15% of his meniscus, the cushion in the knee. All we can do is wait and see what happens in TC. Coming up fast.

 

[Sunshinepacker]

So, uhh, TE discussion in the TE thread. They gave Kyle Rudolph to Tom Brady down in Tampa. I liked Rudolph when he was younger. The Vikings let him go for a reason and he wasn't able to do much with the meager Giants offense. However, he would have been a good filler until Tonyan got back. I won't lose sleep over it but I would have rather had him than see Brady breath life back into his career.

Rudolph is basically done. He can be a reliable target but he's basically a worse blocking version of Marcedes at this point. He'll catch some passes because the Bucs offense passes the ball a LOT but he'd certainly be no upgrade on anything the Packers have at this point.

 

[Sanguine camper]

Tonyan started the season on the PUP list so he won't be practicing with the team. At this point, he can come off the PUP in time for the season so all it means is that he isn't 100%. My guess is that he'll start the season on the PUP and be ready for week 8. Surprise is Christian Watson is hurt and also on the PUP and no news about it.

 

[Pokerbrat2000]

Surprise is Christian Watson is hurt and also on the PUP and no news about it.

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[Deleted member 6794]

Yeah as I said, always better to under promise and over deliver. At the time, MLF was probably right based on info everyone had. I don't know if he made that comment before or after Bakh's second surgery.

For the record, MLF made the comment about Bakhtiari being ahead of schedule in June last year.

 

[Sanguine camper]

Watson's injury isn't a small day to day thing. Otherwise he wouldn't be on the PUP. I don't think anyone reported that he hurt himself at OTA's. He needs all the practice he can get so this is going to set him back.

 

[Heyjoe4]

Tonyan started the season on the PUP list so he won't be practicing with the team. At this point, he can come off the PUP in time for the season so all it means is that he isn't 100%. My guess is that he'll start the season on the PUP and be ready for week 8. Surprise is Christian Watson is hurt and also on the PUP and no news about it.

I have a hunch Tonyan will be back well before week 8, or they'd put him on IR designated to return and clear a roster spot. Jenkins will likely start on the PUP but may take longer before he returns. Or maybe he goes on IR, designated to return. I can say one thing, Bakh better be starting.

 

[Heyjoe4]

Watson's injury isn't a small day to day thing. Otherwise he wouldn't be on the PUP. I don't think anyone reported that he hurt himself at OTA's. He needs all the practice he can get so this is going to set him back.

Interesting I didn't know Watson was on PUP. That doesn't sound good but we'll have to wait, and it may be a precaution. Do you know how this affects his availability for TC and PS games? Thanks.

 

[Heyjoe4]

For the record, MLF made the comment about Bakhtiari being ahead of schedule in June last year.

Ok that's good to know. I think Bakh had the second procedure, an arthroscopy, to clean up a partially torn meniscus, but it was well after June. So at the time I guess/hope MLF was right. Certainly Bakh is a huge question mark heading into camp.

 

[Pkrjones]

Any player not ready to hit the practice field on Day 1 is eligible for PUP. They can be pulled off at any time during TC to begin practicing, so it's just a formality to preserve their PUP eligibility moving forward. IF they aren't listed on day 1 they aren't eligible for PUP later.

 

[Pokerbrat2000]

Any player not ready to hit the practice field on Day 1 is eligible for PUP. They can be pulled off at any time during TC to begin practicing, so it's just a formality to preserve their PUP eligibility moving forward. IF they aren't listed on day 1 they aren't eligible for PUP later.

I could be wrong, but I believe it also opens up a roster spot on the 90 man roster.

 

[Pkrjones]

I could be wrong, but I believe it also opens up a roster spot on the 90 man roster.

Pretty sure PUP players count towards 90. GB has a spot open due to the release of TE Wolf.

 

[Heyjoe4]

Pretty sure PUP players count towards 90. GB has a spot open due to the release of TE Wolf.

Well PUP counts against the 53, so it must count against the 90. I don't think there are any ways to list a player as inactive and not on the 90, and I don't know why they'd want to. At that point, waive the player. If he makes it, stash him on the PS. I think that's how it would work.

And you're right, an outright release opens up a spot on the 90.

 

[Pokerbrat2000]

Pretty sure PUP players count towards 90. GB has a spot open due to the release of TE Wolf.

Well PUP counts against the 53, so it must count against the 90. I don't think there are any ways to list a player as inactive and not on the 90, and I don't know why they'd want to. At that point, waive the player. If he makes it, stash him on the PS. I think that's how it would work.

And you're right, an outright release opens up a spot on the 90.

I should have just looked it up, but players on the PUP list do count towards the 90 man roster. However, if they started the preseason on the PUP and never came off it, they won't count on the 53 when the season starts. This season, they are eligible to return after just 4 games.

 

[Deleted member 6794]

I have a hunch Tonyan will be back well before week 8, or they'd put him on IR designated to return and clear a roster spot.

The league only allows players who have made the initial roster for week 1 to be designated to return from injured reserve.

 

[Sanguine camper]

While every knee injury is unique, I think its safe to assume, the Packers will be ultra cautious with Jenkins and Tonyan. The last thing they want is for another botched recovery to wreck a season or even a career.

 

[Heyjoe4]

While every knee injury is unique, I think its safe to assume, the Packers will be ultra cautious with Jenkins and Tonyan. The last thing they want is for another botched recovery to wreck a season or even a career.

It doesn't hurt to be conservative. Bakh's situation is pretty unique. Hopefully Tonyan and Jenkins will experience a normal recovery and be back as soon as possible.