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[gbgary]

You look at the quality of player we have to take off the field to put kendricks, or Rodgers on the field in a two te set... Cobb, or Adams?!? Seriously... this offense is stacked...

I always admired what stlouis did with faulk. They put 3 great receivers on the field and broke defenses with faulk. He could break you running g it with the field spread thin. And he was ALWAYS open for the dump off... as the wrs were breaking off big chunks..... I want to see Montgomery do that.

With Nelson, Adams, Cobb, BIG BENnett at te, with Montgomery in the backfield.....I simply do not think a defense can stop that without selling out to stop the pass.....and that's where Montgomery can break them.

agreed. i'm not saying take weapons off the field. i'm saying with a legit TE threat d's can't just sit and count on a dive play anymore. look how cook affected the o and monty's production. with bennett it should be even better. kendricks is better than ****rod.
we all know the importance of the 'big play' in mm's and rodgers' minds in the past...sometimes at the determent of a possession that needs to continue to give the d a breather. with the stacked o i hope they'll make an adjustment in that thinking a bit to move the chains first instead of forcing a failed play down field.

 

[sschind]

Yeah, that's how I took you. Wasn't meaning to correct you, but just point out an interesting trend.

We're good. That's what I took from your post as well. Just clarifying my position. The first thing I did when I saw that RB draft chart several months ago was draw a line between the 3rd and 4th round and start comparing.

 

[gbgary]

It's way too early to declare the situation at running back all-set as the unit completely lacks experience.

i don't think tt's picking up anyone else.

Last year at this time we had sufficient RB numbers also. Then the cutdown to 53 happened and injuries and the story changed.

i was speaking about the rb's on the 53. a couple of injuries and they went into panic mode. i'll bet most of the rb's in camp end up making the team and used on special teams. no getting caught short handed like last year.

 

[OldSchool101]

Always wondered why they called them running "backs" when they train incessantly to run "forward" ?
Its like calling a tightend a "tight-middle"

 

[Poppa San]

Always wondered why they called them running "backs" when the train incessantly to run "forward" ?
Its like calling a tight-end a "tight-middle"

Because they stand in BACK of the line of scrimmage. Next to the quarter back

 

[Poppa San]

i'll bet most of the rb's in camp end up making the team and used on special teams. no getting caught short handed like last year.

Seeing as there are 6 RBs and 2 FBs on the roster, 3 & 1 aren't a big reach. What positions do you go lighter at to go more. Because IMO half is not MOST.

 

[Pokerbrat2000]

Because they stand in BACK of the line of scrimmage. Next to the quarter back

Does that mean our Cornerbacks, should still be somewhere sitting in a corner after the season they had last year?

 

[sschind]

more like the back corner of the endzone...where they let all the opposing WRs get open.

And why are they called quarterbacks. Wouldn't you want a fullgameback

 

[Pokerbrat2000]

more like the back corner of the endzone...where they let all the opposing WRs get open.

And why are they called quarterbacks. Wouldn't you want a fullgameback

All is good, I don't think I need an explanation on how Tight Ends got their names.

 

[Poppa San]

All is good, I don't think I need an explanation on how Tight Ends got their names.

They held it together otherwise they became split ends.

 

[Deleted member 6794]

i don't think tt's picking up anyone else.

I don't expect Thompson to sign a veteran running back either before the start of the season but to me it seems you were talking about the talent level at the position being significantly improved over last season in your previous post, something I don't agree with.

i'll bet most of the rb's in camp end up making the team and used on special teams. no getting caught short handed like last year.

It's probable that a maximum of five out of the eight running backs currently on the roster, possibly even less make the 53.

 

[brandon2348]

You look at the quality of player we have to take off the field to put kendricks, or Rodgers on the field in a two te set... Cobb, or Adams?!? Seriously... this offense is stacked...

I always admired what stlouis did with faulk. They put 3 great receivers on the field and broke defenses with faulk. He could break you running g it with the field spread thin. And he was ALWAYS open for the dump off... as the wrs were breaking off big chunks..... I want to see Montgomery do that.

With Nelson, Adams, Cobb, BIG BENnett at te, with Montgomery in the backfield.....I simply do not think a defense can stop that without selling out to stop the pass.....and that's where Montgomery can break them.

Nothing against Cobb but I think they will be more dangerous with Kendricks and Bennett on the field at same time. Kendricks has tremendous short area quickness and shiftiness and is a polished route runner. He is the perfect compliment to Bennett.

I like Adams, Nelson, Kendricks, Bennett and Monty on field at same time better. You motion Monty to the Slot and it's "game over". Maybe we will see Cobb in backfield more too this year.

 

[GreenBaySlacker]

Nothing against Cobb but I think they will be more dangerous with Kendricks and Bennett on the field at same time. Kendricks has tremendous short area quickness and shiftiness and is a polished route runner. He is the perfect compliment to Bennett.

I like Adams, Nelson, Kendricks, Bennett and Monty on field at same time better. You motion Monty to the Slot and it's "game over". Maybe we will see Cobb in backfield more too this year.

That right there. Besides Cobb's ability as a wr. He could become a dual threat as a second rb on the field.....

 

[Pokerbrat2000]

That right there. Besides Cobb's ability as a wr. He could become a dual threat as a second rb on the field.....

Hate to disagree with you 2 posts in a row But when you look at what Cobb has done in the past 3 years running the ball, it really isn't all that special. Early in his career he had some success, but I'm not a big fan of seeing him run the ball anymore. First, I think it exposes him to unnecessary hits by pretty large men and second, unless there is an open lane, he really can't seem to do much. Personally, I prefer Monty in that role.

I'm fine with Cobb running routes after lining up in the backfield, because I think the defense has a harder time covering him, just not a fan of him carrying the ball anymore.

http://www.nfl.com/player/randallcobb/2495448/careerstats

 

[rmontro]

Hate to disagree with you 2 posts in a row But when you look at what Cobb has done in the past 3 years running the ball, it really isn't all that special. Early in his career he had some success, but I'm not a big fan of seeing him run the ball anymore. First, I think it exposes him to unnecessary hits by pretty large men and second, unless there is an open lane, he really can't seem to do much.

Agree, that novelty has worn out.

 

[Pokerbrat2000]

Agree, that novelty has worn out.

I think that and he just has a hard time getting past the line of scrimmage, unless there is a large hole to run through. I saw the talk about Cobb running the ball a few days ago and watched some film of his longer runs. They seemed to only come when the defense was completely not ready for him to carry the ball and he had a wide open space to run through. But as you alluded to, maybe defenses are now more apt to at least keep an eye on that possibility and are less fooled.

 

[Deleted member 6794]

Nothing against Cobb but I think they will be more dangerous with Kendricks and Bennett on the field at same time. Kendricks has tremendous short area quickness and shiftiness and is a polished route runner. He is the perfect compliment to Bennett.

I like Adams, Nelson, Kendricks, Bennett and Monty on field at same time better. You motion Monty to the Slot and it's "game over". Maybe we will see Cobb in backfield more too this year.

I completely agree with Pokerbrat that there's no reason to line up Cobb as a running back by any means. In addition I have a tough time understanding why a lot of fans want to limit his snaps as a receiver. While it's true that he hasn't performed up to the contract he signed in 2015 a lot of posters seem to forget that he has been a decent player having caught 139 balls over the past two seasons.

 

[PikeBadger]

I think that and he just has a hard time getting past the line of scrimmage, unless there is a large hole to run through. I saw the talk about Cobb running the ball a few days ago and watched some film of his longer runs. They seemed to only come when the defense was completely not ready for him to carry the ball and he had a wide open space to run through. But as you alluded to, maybe defenses are now more apt to at least keep an eye on that possibility and are less fooled.

I've always liked the idea of moving Cobb and Montgomery around to move defenders around the formation and create different passing lanes and different play possibilities. Good to keep opposing DC's on their toes with more to prepare for. They are both good guys to get in iso matchups with linebackers on the outside.

 

[Sunshinepacker]

I've always liked the idea of moving Cobb and Montgomery around to move defenders around the formation and create different passing lanes and different play possibilities. Good to keep opposing DC's on their toes with more to prepare for. They are both good guys to get in iso matchups with linebackers on the outside.

I remember a couple of years ago (I think 2013?) the Packers started the season against the 49ers and the worst kept secret for the Packers was that Cobb was going to be used in the backfield more often. Cobb ran the ball a couple of times, got banged up and McCarthy has been hesitant to let Cobb carry the ball ever since. Cobb isn't going to be playing in the backfield anytime soon. Montgomery is built like a RB, Cobb is certainly not. I can see maybe motioning Cobb out of the backfield to force the defense to give away their coverage but I don't think the threat of Cobb running the ball is very realistic.

I REALLY hope that McCarthy can change his stripes and take a page from the Pats' use of James White and use Ty as a RB that moves out to WR often. Last year, I kid you not, i saw McCarthy motion Lacy(!) out to WR more often in one game than Ty (and not a game in which Ty was hurt)....hopefully he's learned from that. McCarthy, for some reason, seems reluctant to use the RB in non-traditional ways; yes, he used Ty at RB but he generally only used him like a traditional RB which is ignoring the huge amount of value Ty can add by motioning to WR.

 

[brandon2348]

I completely agree with Pokerbrat that there's no reason to line up Cobb as a running back by any means. In addition I have a tough time understanding why a lot of fans want to limit his snaps as a receiver. While it's true that he hasn't performed up to the contract he signed in 2015 a lot of posters seem to forget that he has been a decent player having caught 139 balls over the past two seasons.

I have no problem with Cobb as posted. I just like the idea of having Kendricks and Bennett on the field at same time more then I do as Cobb as a 3rd receiver. I'm sure depending against certain opposing teams personnel it might be more advantageous to use Cobb in 3 receiver set. However I'm expecting big things in Kendricks to help create match up problems.

As PikeBadger stated I like matching up Cobb on LB'S and SS's out of backfield. I never posted anything about running the ball with Cobb at all.

 

[Mondio]

First I don't think there is an offensive strategy that MM doesn't understand and know inside and out. Everyone is high the Pat's and White because he had the game of his life and it happened to be the game that everyone was watching in a dramatic comeback. It probably had as much to do with the way the Falcons were playing defense and relaxing a bit as much as it did with any great offensive game plan and before they knew it, they couldn't stop it anymore. It happens. For some reason, i don't think it would happen a second time though, but i could be wrong.

I'm not going to say being able to move someone like that around doesn't create mismatches, because it does, but I don't think we haven't done much with it because MM doesn't know how to use it. Cobb was just a change of pace guy if nothing was working or to jump start something, but for this type of thing to work, they have to legitimately be a running or receiving threat. If you know he can't withstand 5 carries a game, you know he's most likely a receiver, BFD.

Franklin was supposed to be that guy I think he got hurt and done. We ended up with Starks and Lacy for the most part, and their strengths are somewhere else and it's not like we didn't have plenty of pass catchers to put on the field. There's nothing wrong with using a RB traditionally, especially if you have a couple good WR's and TE on the field. It also probably depends on the defense being played. Now that we have Ty back there, are they playing him as a RB or a WR? I bet Rodgers is smart enough to motion him where he needs to be. I bet MM is smart enough to have that worked into the game plan and has trust enough in Rodgers to make the right call. I don't think any of this is new to McCarthy or not being used because he doesn't like it.

 

[brandon2348]

First I don't think there is an offensive strategy that MM doesn't understand and know inside and out. Everyone is high the Pat's and White because he had the game of his life and it happened to be the game that everyone was watching in a dramatic comeback. It probably had as much to do with the way the Falcons were playing defense and relaxing a bit as much as it did with any great offensive game plan and before they knew it, they couldn't stop it anymore. It happens. For some reason, i don't think it would happen a second time though, but i could be wrong.

I'm not going to say being able to move someone like that around doesn't create mismatches, because it does, but I don't think we haven't done much with it because MM doesn't know how to use it. Cobb was just a change of pace guy if nothing was working or to jump start something, but for this type of thing to work, they have to legitimately be a running or receiving threat. If you know he can't withstand 5 carries a game, you know he's most likely a receiver, BFD.

Franklin was supposed to be that guy I think he got hurt and done. We ended up with Starks and Lacy for the most part, and their strengths are somewhere else and it's not like we didn't have plenty of pass catchers to put on the field. There's nothing wrong with using a RB traditionally, especially if you have a couple good WR's and TE on the field. It also probably depends on the defense being played. Now that we have Ty back there, are they playing him as a RB or a WR? I bet Rodgers is smart enough to motion him where he needs to be. I bet MM is smart enough to have that worked into the game plan and has trust enough in Rodgers to make the right call. I don't think any of this is new to McCarthy or not being used because he doesn't like it.

Thats Fine. Put the best 5 on the field.

"5 Wide and Burn Rubber"

 

[Arthur Squires]

A guy we should keep an eye on in case any injuries hit Jamaal, Jones or Mays is Matt Jones. He has flaws in his game but all in all he is capable. Seems Washington is ready to get rid of him pretty soon.

 

[Deleted member 6794]

I have no problem with Cobb as posted. I just like the idea of having Kendricks and Bennett on the field at same time more then I do as Cobb as a 3rd receiver. I'm sure depending against certain opposing teams personnel it might be more advantageous to use Cobb in 3 receiver set. However I'm expecting big things in Kendricks to help create match up problems.

There's no doubt Kendricks is a decent #2 tight end but I'd rather have Cobb on the field for the majority of the offensive snaps.

A guy we should keep an eye on in case any injuries hit Jamaal, Jones or Mays is Matt Jones. He has flaws in his game but all in all he is capable. Seems Washington is ready to get rid of him pretty soon.

Jones dropped to fifth on the running back depth chart in Washington for whatever reason, he might be an intriguing option if released.

 

[Arthur Squires]

After watching all the tape I could find for Jamaal Williams I finally found a Pro Comp for him. I see a future Ahmad Bradshaw!