Raiders cut Jordy

[Do7]

Well, you were the one holding Allison getting hurt after five games last season against him. Shouldn't the same apply to Nelson in 2015 then???
in this thread.

I wasn't the one insisting that Allison had a better season than Nelson was I? As I recall you did.

I don't have any interest in discussing the topic with you via *** as there should be no reason to not be allowed to discuss about Nelson in this thread.

You and I have been dragging this argument in several different threads, hence why he asked us to stop. I'm trying to be adhere to what was asked by one of the moderators, but as I told him, if you aren't going to stop, then you won't see me backing down.

 

[Deleted member 6794]

I wasn't the one insisting that Allison had a better season than Nelson was I? As I recall you did.

Dude, you were the one dismissing the notion that Allison had a better season in 2018 based on him getting injured. I'm just asking why the same shouldn't apply for Nelson in 2015???

You and I have been dragging this argument in several different threads, hence why he asked us to stop. I'm trying to be adhere to what was asked by one of the moderators, but as I told him, if you aren't going to stop, then you won't see me backing down.

The forum exists because of fans discussing about their opinions on the Packers. As long as we keep it in this thread I don't see any issue.

 

[Pugger]

Not the Seahawks! It would kill me to see him in those horrible colors lining up against the Pack. Ugh!

Well, we don't play the Seahawks this year so we won't have to worry about that until the playoffs. Did he leave Seattle without a contract?

 

[Do7]

Dude, you were the one dismissing the notion that Allison had a better season in 2018 based on him getting injured. I'm just asking why the same shouldn't apply for Nelson in 2015???

But he didn't have a better season though. That's the thing. And it's a bad comparison because I wouldn't have said Nelson had a better year than any of his contemporaries, let alone anyone in the NFL that played throughout the season. On top of that Allison played in 5 games, while Jordy played in 0. Again a bad example.

You're the only one so far that insists that Allison had a better season than Jordy. Which is silly.

 

[Deleted member 6794]

But he didn't have a better season though. That's the thing. And it's a bad comparison because I wouldn't have said Nelson had a better year than any of his contemporaries. On top of that Allison played in 5 games, while Jordy played in 0. Again a bad example.

You're the only one so far that insists that Allison had a better season than Jordy. Which is silly.

I agree that it's silly to consider Nelson had a terrible season in 2015 because he was injured. I brought it up to make you realize the same is true for Allison last season.

Unfortunately it seems you're not able to understand you apply double standards in those cases.

 

[Do7]

I agree that it's silly to consider Nelson had a terrible season in 2015 because he was injured. I brought it up to make you realize the same is true for Allison last season.

Unfortunately it seems you're not able to understand you apply double standards in those cases.

Funny if anyone is having double standards it would be you. Again you're the one that insisted that Allison had the better year. I didn't. And again Jordy didn't play any games to Allison's 5. So that's completely different scenarios.

If you weren't insisting that Allison had the better season then I wouldn't be so inclined to disagree with you.

 

[longtimefan]

Dude, you were the one dismissing the notion that Allison had a better season in 2018 based on him getting injured. I'm just asking why the same shouldn't apply for Nelson in 2015???



The forum exists because of fans discussing about their opinions on the Packers. As long as we keep it in this thread I don't see any issue.

OK.. If it spills out of this thread, then **** is hitting the fan

 

[elcid]

Nelson isn't the missing piece to our SB bowl puzzle this year, and if he isn't it this year he wil most definitely not be the missing piece any year after, as the puzzle piece named Nelson will only become smaller and smaller..

I'd rather invest in a growing piece instead of a shrinking one

 

[Deleted member 6794]

Funny if anyone is having double standards it would be you. Again you're the one that insisted that Allison had the better year. I didn't. And again Jordy didn't play any games to Allison's 5. So that's completely different scenarios.

If you weren't insisting that Allison had the better season then I wouldn't be so inclined to disagree with you.

Actually I repeated that Allison had significantly better numbers per game and snap than Nelson in 2018. That's a fact. I never mentioned that he had a better season as staying healthy is part of it.

If both players stay healthy it's reasonable to expect Allison having more receptions and yards than Nelson next year though.

 

[Do7]

Actually I repeated that Allison had significantly better numbers per game and snap than Nelson in 2018. That's a fact. I never mentioned that he had a better season as staying healthy is part of it.

If both players stay healthy it's reasonable to expect Allison having more receptions and yards than Nelson next year though.

And that is why I brought up that race example. Still doesn't negate that Jordy had the better season. That's a fact. It's unfortunate Allison got hurt, but it is what it is.

We'll see how it goes next season. Only time will tell.

 

[PackerfaninCarolina]

The WR on the roster are far too deep. I would love Jordy, but I want to see what happens in the draft. There are some rookies I would love to see catch passes from Aaron Rodgers.

Disagree, we didn't have enough depth last year and resorted to too many fail stack and bunch sets because we didn't have enough WRs to spread em out.


Now ... I'd probably prefer to go younger than Jordy, but if we got one more good year squeezed out of him I'd take it.

 

[PackerfaninCarolina]

As I said before. He had 739 yards last season and that was being the 3rd/4th option on the team. That is more than anyone on the team outside of Devante Adams. Again if you can tell me another player on the team that's better than him then I'm all for it, but based off last year I'm not confident in anyone of these receivers coming in and taking in the #2 spot. Again, if Jordy can produce what he did last year in that pitiful offense, he'd at least be a solid #2 for us. As the other receivers they can learn as the gradually ease into the position like Devante did.

Fair point and those numbers seem respectable considering what a mess Oakland was last year. But the other thing you have to consider is there's no telling what kind of role LaFleur would want for him because we got a new playbook now and he might be doing something different than what McCarthy did.

 

[Do7]

Fair point and those numbers seem respectable considering what a mess Oakland was last year. But the other thing you have to consider is there's no telling what kind of role LaFleur would want for him because we got a new playbook now and he might be doing something different than what McCarthy did.

Now that is a fair point. I didn't consider the fact that we have a new coach and new offensive scheme. Point well taken.

 

[Deleted member 6794]

And that is why I brought up that race example. Still doesn't negate that Jordy had the better season. That's a fact. It's unfortunate Allison got hurt, but it is what it is.

Double standards once again.

Nelson's 2015 season??? Doesn't count, he was injured.

Nelson's 2018 season??? Better than Allison's as Geronimo got injured.

 

[Do7]

Double standards once again.

Nelson's 2015 season??? Doesn't count, he was injured.

Nelson's 2018 season??? Better than Allison's as Geronimo got injured.

You're trying to play both fences. You say it's not fair to compare the two as Allison got injured, and yet you're the one saying Allison was more productive. So which one is it?

I said Jordy had a better year, than Allison who played 5 games, who you said was more productive. Hence why I brought the racing argument.

But going back to that 2015 season and you trying to compare it to Allison, again, one didn't play compared to the other who had 5 starts. So once again bad comparison, especially when you're the one arguing that Alison was more productive. You can't play both sides dude.

And again I wouldn't have denied any opposing receiver having a better season in comparison to Nelson in the 2015. Good try though.

 

[sschind]

I'm not a big fan of projecting performance of a few games onto a full season but its clear that GA started the year doing pretty well last year. If we did want to project his stats he would have had 64/969/6.4 (rec/yds/tds) JN played in all but 1 game and would have had 69/812/3.3. Per game average was 4/61/.4 for GA and 4.2/50/.2 for JN. I don't know how early GA got hurt in game 5 but I counted it as a full game. He only had 1 reception for 14 yards in that game.

Had he not gotten injured I am confident that his numbers would have been very comparable to those Jordy put up. Just as I am confident that MVS or EQ or GA will put up numbers very comparable to what Jordy would have put up in GB this year provided one of them can nail down that #2 spot and the receiving opportunities that entails. I'm also not convinced that Jordy would have come in and nailed down that spot this year.

 

[GreenNGold_81]

With Aaron Rodgers at the helm it's likely that any WR2 who is provided with sufficient volume will produce good numbers (historically that has been the case).

If you look at the games that Aaron Rodgers gave him 6 or more targets (not counting the last game) MVS averages 67 yards a game. That would put him over 1000 yards for a season. He had about 8 games with very few targets.

I'm not so sure we need anybody to supplant any of GA/MVS/Moore/Eq/Kumerow. Rodgers just needs to give these guys more opportunity.

 

[brandon2348]

I feel like Jordy could be a solid addition, but I'm afraid we'd get sentimental and AR would try to force him the ball. Sentiment can cloud judgement, and I don't want our team to be sentimental, I want wins.

This is a very legitimate concern. Not only is Nelson WASHED UP but it could bring back bad habits with LaFleur trying to implement a new scheme and Nelson sidetracking that with him and Aaron thinking there on some Jefi Mind Trick Level.

TOTAL PASS!

 

[brandon2348]

Also, its pretty obvious Gute doesn't want anything from the Ted Thompson rosters unless there a very high level player, young or named Tramon Williams..

 

[Do7]

This is a very legitimate concern. Not only is Nelson WASHED UP but it could bring back bad habits with LaFleur trying to implement a new scheme and Nelson sidetracking that with him and Aaron thinking there on some Jefi Mind Trick Level.

TOTAL PASS!

He is NOT washed up! Especially considering he had a better season than everyone of our season last year, outside Adams!

 

[Deleted member 6794]

You're trying to play both fences. You say it's not fair to compare the two as Allison got injured, and yet you're the one saying Allison was more productive. So which one is it?

I said Jordy had a better year, than Allison who played 5 games, who you said was more productive. Hence why I brought the racing argument.

Geez, don't you understand there's a difference between the total numbers at the end of a season and the ones per game when someone was injured???

According to your point of view Nelson had a better season than AJ Green. Do you honestly believe he's a better receiver at this point in his career than the Bengals star???

But going back to that 2015 season and you trying to compare it to Allison, again, one didn't play compared to the other who had 5 starts. So once again bad comparison, especially when you're the one arguing that Alison was more productive. You can't play both sides dude.

And again I wouldn't have denied any opposing receiver having a better season in comparison to Nelson in the 2015. Good try though.

I solely brought up Nelson missing the entire 2015 season to make you realize it's a ridiculous approach not factoring injuries into a player's performance but rather evaluate them on total numbers.

I guess you were one of those fans advocating for the fans to get rid of Adams after his second season.

Actually at this point I'm done talking about the past regarding Allison and Nelson with you but interested in looking forward.

In my mind there's absolutely no doubt that the Packers should add a slot receiver pretty early in the draft and move on with the youngsters instead of signing an aging receiver in Nelson.

 

[Do7]

Geez, don't you understand there's a difference between the total numbers at the end of a season and the ones per game when someone was injured???

According to your point of view Nelson had a better season than AJ Green. Do you honestly believe he's a better receiver at this point in his career than the Bengals star???

And again I keep bringing up the race example. Alright, I'll use another example for you since you're not getting it clearly. Let's say there was a test, and person 1 was able to answer more of the harder questions than person 2, but for some reason didn't finish the test due to whatever reason, while person 2 did and ended up with a better grade. Are you going to seriously say that the person 1 is better because he answered more of the harder questions when he/she couldn't finish?

As for AJ Green and Jordy comparison, that's another dumb comparison on your end, because based on body of work, all evidence would point to AJ being better, even though Jordy had the better season. So Jordy was better that year. Allison on the other hand has no body of work to indicate he's better. So I'll use that same question against you, based off this season in which he didn't finish, you're saying Allison is better than Jordy? Better yet, going by what you said, it looks as though he did better than Green. So are you saying he's better than Green too going forward?

I solely brought up Nelson missing the entire 2015 season to make you realize it's a ridiculous approach not factoring injuries into a player's performance but rather evaluate them on total numbers.

I guess you were one of those fans advocating for the fans to get rid of Adams after his second season.

Actually at this point I'm done talking about the past regarding Allison and Nelson with you but interested in looking forward.

In my mind there's absolutely no doubt that the Packers should add a slot receiver pretty early in the draft and move on with the youngsters instead of signing an aging receiver in Nelson.

And again that was a bad comparison as I've explained to you previously. Hence why I said you're playing both sides of the fence.

As for Adams, no I was on the opposite, as he showed flashes of brilliance, plus the fact that we had Jordy and Cobb over him, so that way he would have time to come into his own. I haven't seen that from Allison for me to comfortably say that he's a better aspect than Jordy.

On top of that as I mentioned before if we DRAFTED a WR in the first round, then I would agree that bringing in Nelson wouldn't be necessary. Other than that, I don't see the harm in bringing him in to compete, especially if he helps our chances at winning. It's not like he hasn't played the slot position before.

 

[Deleted member 6794]

And again I keep bringing up the race example. Alright, I'll use another example for you since you're not getting it clearly. Let's say there was a test, and person 1 was able to answer more of the harder questions than person 2, but for some reason didn't finish the test due to whatever reason, while person 2 did and ended up with a better grade. Are you going to seriously say that the person 1 is better because he answered more of the harder questions when he/she couldn't finish?

WTF does that have to do with comparing Allison's per game production to Nelson's in 2018???

As for AJ Green and Jordy comparison, that's another dumb comparison on your end, because based on body of work, all evidence would point to AJ being better, even though Jordy had the better season. So Jordy was better that year. Allison on the other hand has no body of work to indicate he's better. So I'll use that same question against you, based off this season in which he didn't finish, you're saying Allison is better than Jordy? Better yet, going by what you said, it looks as though he did better than Green. So are you saying he's better than Green too going forward?

Geez, Nelson wasn't better than Green or Allison for that matter last season but more durable. At this point in their respective careers I believe Allison is a better receiver than Nelson and there's the possibility that by the end of the 2019 this is true for at least one of the Packers youngsters as well.

Green had better numbers per game than Allison last season and is still on top of his game.

 

[sschind]

With Aaron Rodgers at the helm it's likely that any WR2 who is provided with sufficient volume will produce good numbers (historically that has been the case).

If you look at the games that Aaron Rodgers gave him 6 or more targets (not counting the last game) MVS averages 67 yards a game. That would put him over 1000 yards for a season. He had about 8 games with very few targets.

I'm not so sure we need anybody to supplant any of GA/MVS/Moore/Eq/Kumerow. Rodgers just needs to give these guys more opportunity.

I like the idea and I agree to a point. However, for Rodgers to be able to give any of these guys more opportunities they need to step up up and prove they are worthy of them. I do think one of them is capable of doing that. Probably as much or even more so than any FA or rookie. The problem is which one and even more importantly, how soon. I hope it doesn’t take half a year to figure it out

 

[GreenNGold_81]

I like the idea and I agree to a point. However, for Rodgers to be able to give any of these guys more opportunities they need to step up up and prove they are worthy of them. I do think one of them is capable of doing that. Probably as much or even more so than any FA or rookie. The problem is which one and even more importantly, how soon. I hope it doesn’t take half a year to figure it out

Ya, traditionally it has taken 3 years for WR's to show what a WR will do with their career - some blossom earlier than that, but most of the time it just takes time. Think Davante Adams. I heard this on a radio show a few months ago. Guys like ODB who come in and go balls out are a rarity. Obviously we want a player like that, but it doesn't come around too often.

Putting our eggs in the basket of these young players was a little risky without a veteran presence.

Jennings and Cobb only took a couple years to contribute... But Jordy took like 3.5. Driver took 4. Some of that was definitely having vets in front of them.

If we're patient with these guys (Eq, Moore, MVS, Kume) someone should become a useful player for us. Until then it's the Adams, Allison show.