Prediction on how many wins GB has at end of regular season...

[Pokerbrat2000]

MLF needs to figure out how to make this offense avoid 3 & outs in the 1st half.

Agree and 2 straight running plays, followed by a wideout screen IS NOT how you do it. I am so sick and tired of that play. The defenses know it's coming and our young WR's are not at a level where all of them can execute it to perfection.

 

[tynimiller]

FTR not every call has a can, hence where a veteran QB can go into the audible bag....I doubt we have Love at a stage allowed to do so...maybe but I doubt it.

 

[Pokerbrat2000]

So the main issue if you watch the Denver game was the simple fact there were quite a few plays where given the personnel grouping and alignment the Broncos stayed in MLF did not have a "can call" to the play call. IF you remember one of the main issues when he came was Rodgers felt restrained to audible, they worked it out and Rodgers would audible at times in situations like this. Love is very much not there yet and the play proceeded....also if you really breakdown, there were times where Rodgers cans a play to the other option yet will signal or change one route communicating to the receiver....it was in these moments sometimes where his hissy fits would occur because the receiver wasn't Lazard or Adams and truthfully had never known that signal.

Spot on.

Was going to say something similar, but didn't want to heap too much praise on Rodgers.

Whether it is Love not having the green light to audible out, his abilities to do so aren't there yet or the receivers aren't ready, that is something this offense lacks. Defense seem to know what is coming and most of the time, they are right.

 

[Catamount1971]

So the main issue if you watch the Denver game was the simple fact there were quite a few plays where given the personnel grouping and alignment the Broncos stayed in MLF did not have a "can call" to the play call. IF you remember one of the main issues when he came was Rodgers felt restrained to audible, they worked it out and Rodgers would audible at times in situations like this. Love is very much not there yet and the play proceeded....also if you really breakdown, there were times where Rodgers cans a play to the other option yet will signal or change one route communicating to the receiver....it was in these moments sometimes where his hissy fits would occur because the receiver wasn't Lazard or Adams and truthfully had never known that signal.

Rodgers could read the defense very well. After the Love pick, it seems liked he wasn’t all in. At least we aren’t Bears fans, so we have that.

 

[Krabs]

From what we learned last night the Vikings lead the league in blitzes with 37%. You have to believe they are licking their chops with our young QB, weak line, and young receivers. Rodgers was once dangerous against the blitz. Love could be using those legs a lot this week.

There is no doubt MN is ready for GB. I don't think that game is even going to be close from start to finish. I'll watch it, as I always do, but I'm not looking forward to it.

 

[Pokerbrat2000]

There is no doubt MN is ready for GB. I don't think that game is even going to be close from start to finish. I'll watch it, as I always do, but I'm not looking forward to it.

I predict Hockenson has over 100 yds.

If I am an opposing OC, I am throwing a lot a lot to my TE and short passes to both the RB's and WR's. Barry's defense can't stop those plays. Offenses can pretty much **** and dunk and go right down the field, as long as they play penalty and mistake free.

 

[gopkrs]

I predict Hockenson has over 100 yds.

If I am an opposing OC, I am throwing a lot a lot to my TE and short passes to both the RB's and WR's. Barry's defense can't stop those plays. Offenses can pretty much **** and dunk and go right down the field, as long as they play penalty and mistake free.

I saw Hockenson in the middle of the field quite a bit. I hardly ever see our TEs there.

 

[tynimiller]

I saw Hockenson in the middle of the field quite a bit. I hardly ever see our TEs there.

MLF doesn't call plays attacking the middle enough....which is ludacris as that is where Love did his best damage in college and so far this year too.

 

[milani]

There is no doubt MN is ready for GB. I don't think that game is even going to be close from start to finish. I'll watch it, as I always do, but I'm not looking forward to it.

Originally, I thought it could be another close 4th quarter game. But now. No way. With no more Dalvin Cook, Thielen, and Jefferson out look how easily Cousins attacked the 9er secondary. Even when they knew he would play fake someone was open and he put the ball there. I am sure they remember last year's blowout in GB. They don't even need Jefferson. Barry will probably go zone and stay soft. Throw in a blitz and they will kill us with a screen. It could get ugly.

 

[Krabs]

Originally, I thought it could be another close 4th quarter game. But now. No way. With no more Dalvin Cook, Thielen, and Jefferson out look how easily Cousins attacked the 9er secondary. Even when they knew he would play fake someone was open and he put the ball there. I am sure they remember last year's blowout in GB. They don't even need Jefferson. Barry will probably go zone and stay soft. Throw in a blitz and they will kill us with a screen. It could get ugly.

Could? If I were a betting man I would say will get ugly. I think the Pack will be down by multiple scores by the half.

 

[Pokerbrat2000]

I saw Hockenson in the middle of the field quite a bit. I hardly ever see our TEs there.

MLF doesn't call plays attacking the middle enough....which is ludacris as that is where Love did his best damage in college and so far this year too.

100% on both posts.

You would think MLF would watch what other offenses do to the Packers and say to himself "hell, that works, we should try that." Instead, he sends a slower TE out to the sidelines and forces Love to throw across the field to him. Jesus MLF, have him hit Musgrave in stride and let him run over some of the smaller DB's!

 

[Pokerbrat2000]

Is it just me or do I sense a "Fire Matt LaFleur" thread on the horizon? Or is there already one? I am not in that camp right now, nor have I ever been. However, I am starting to think about it.

 

[Catamount1971]

Is it just me or do I sense a "Fire Matt LaFleur" thread on the horizon? Or is there already one? I am not in that camp right now, nor have I ever been. However, I am starting to think about it.

It is a lot easier to win with a HOF qb. Look at the Patriots/Saints/Bucs and Packers.

 

[tynimiller]

Is it just me or do I sense a "Fire Matt LaFleur" thread on the horizon? Or is there already one? I am not in that camp right now, nor have I ever been. However, I am starting to think about it.

It's already been stated and I already am on record saying if we did that it would be the dumbest move in my lifetime and vastly premature. Yes I say doing that is worse than drafting Datone Jones, Justin Harrell or letting Hyde walk or not drafting Michael Pittman....

 

[Magooch]

Is it just me or do I sense a "Fire Matt LaFleur" thread on the horizon? Or is there already one? I am not in that camp right now, nor have I ever been. However, I am starting to think about it.

I wouldn’t be calling for us to fire him at the moment but if nothing else I can say my overall confidence in his direction for us has taken a serious hit, to say the least.

And I feel like ultimately both Love and MLF cannot be the way forward / both absolved of blame. Seems to me like if Love is good enough then LaFleur isn’t getting enough out of him and he’s not the answer….or conversely if LaFleur is a great coach then Love isn’t meeting expectations for him and he’s not the answer, then. But I have a hard time seeing a future where both of them are still leading us down the road.

 

[Schultz]

Could? If I were a betting man I would say will get ugly. I think the Pack will be down by multiple scores by the half.

The line is a pick em.

 

[ARPackFan]

Is it just me or do I sense a "Fire Matt LaFleur" thread on the horizon? Or is there already one? I am not in that camp right now, nor have I ever been. However, I am starting to think about it.

It's likely the Packers will roll with Gutekunst and Lafleur through 2024 and probably 2025. Murphy will retire on July of 2025 and it's possible that his replacement will want to pick a new GM or HC. It does not appear reasonable that Packers would make a HC/GM change while Murphy is President for that reason. I think it would take 2024 being a complete dumpster fire to force Murphy out and then all three could be gone at the end of the season.

 

[Pokerbrat2000]

Gotta wonder if #8 back in N.Y. is smiling like a Cheshire Cat watching this team struggle.

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[Packerbacker1996]

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[OldSchool101]

It is a lot easier to win with a HOF qb. Look at the Patriots/Saints/Bucs and Packers.

It’s also easier to win more games with a QB in his 16th season as a starter and an Offense that’s not historically young and banged up
Don’t have to go back very far. The best comparable is Aaron Rodgers and he couldn’t even break .500 just last season and finishing at Lambeau.

Honest question here. Outside of QB would you say the 2023 Offense Roster is/has been thus far
1. better?
2. about the same?
or
3. worse than 2022?

I’d say 2023 is worse around QB. Mostly because of injury or inexperience. Then why would I have the same expectation for a QB after 7 starts with worse team as I would a HOF QB who has 15 seasons and a better team?

 

[milani]

It’s also easier to win more games with a QB in his 16th season as a starter and an Offense that’s not historically young and banged up
Don’t have to go back very far. The best comparable is Aaron Rodgers and he couldn’t even break .500 just last season and finishing at Lambeau.

Honest question here. Outside of QB would you say the 2023 Offense Roster is/has been thus far
1. better?
2. about the same?
or
3. worse than 2022?

I’d say 2023 is worse around QB. Mostly because of injury or inexperience. Then why would I have the same expectation for a QB after 7 starts with worse team as I would a HOF QB who has 15 seasons and a better team?

And 2018 was not so pretty either. Was it 6-9-1? Think we had a HOF QB that year as well.

 

[Krabs]

It’s also easier to win more games with a QB in his 16th season as a starter and an Offense that’s not historically young and banged up
Don’t have to go back very far. The best comparable is Aaron Rodgers and he couldn’t even break .500 just last season and finishing at Lambeau.

Honest question here. Outside of QB would you say the 2023 Offense Roster is/has been thus far
1. better?
2. about the same?
or
3. worse than 2022?

I’d say 2023 is worse around QB. Mostly because of injury or inexperience. Then why would I have the same expectation for a QB after 7 starts with worse team as I would a HOF QB who has 15 seasons and a better team?

I don't disagree. I think the way this team was built was a recipe for disaster. In the same respect, I've seen enough of Love to know that he is not the guy. I know a lot of people say to be patient and give him time. The guy had three years to prepare for this moment and he is throwing into double and triple teams. He's lofting balls like they are punts and doesn't seem to have any confidence. Oline needs rebuilding and we need to invest in new running backs. There is a lot that needs fixing and QB is where to start.

 

[PackAttack12]

Lord have mercy.

It only took 6 games to pivot from “it’s time to move on from Rodgers, it’s time for MLF to get to run his intended offense with Love and look to the future”

To….

Yeah I think it’s time to clean house and can LaFleur.

Lol.

This isn’t directed at you, PB. Just the overall vibe I’m getting.

 

[tynimiller]

Lord have mercy.

It only took 6 games to pivot from “it’s time to move on from Rodgers, it’s time for MLF to get to run his intended offense with Love and look to the future”

To….

Yeah I think it’s time to clean house and can LaFleur.

Lol.

This isn’t directed at you, PB. Just the overall vibe I’m getting.

Spoiled fanbases always overreact to be fair. It's just frustration clouding vision IMO

 

[Krabs]

I kind of take umbrage with the "spoiled fanbase" comments. I don't think it is fans being spoiled to discuss what is wrong with the Packers and why they are not winning. It is conversations about the team and opinions on what they think the team needs to do to win. Firing the coach is a knee jerk reaction to failure of the team. Sometimes the coach does need to go. Sometimes a change is needed. If your QB is not good and will not take the team to the Super Bowl, which is the ultimate goal every season, discussing changes at the position doesn't mean people are spoiled. I guarantee Cardinals fans have the same conversations about their coaches and players.