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[Dantés]

John has certainly proved his worth as a coach. He’d top my list. As soon as he started winning he made it tough to let him go, which oddly enough they seemed resigned to do at seasons end. Now I think they realize that was a dumb move.

He is under contract for another year, but not signing the extension offered does keep it interesting at least.

He might be pissed that they even considered it so openly in the first place. They saddled him with arguably the biggest competitive disadvantage in the game for years-- a bad quarterback making top 3 money.

 

[Mondio]

Mostly I respect your opinion but in my opinion you have to let go of blaming injuries for the Packers underperforming each season it happens.

There's no doubt the team has lost several players over the course of the year who could have helped them perform at a higher level but other teams had to work through it as well.

Packers fans tend to ignore that cause they don't follow other clubs in depth though.

It’s not my excuse for losing, I blame our offense far more than defense this year. It’s what Poker wants to make my argument be.

But, you think it’s normal for successful teams to have defensive roster go they what GB did this year during year 1 of scheme install?

All that happening and they weren’t bad. They weren’t top of the league, but let’s look at the top of the league defenses and see what they’re rosters look like for fun.

 

[Deleted member 6794]

Agree. Maybe my memory is off, but the last time the Packers won the Super Bowl, didn't they finish the year with a lot of guys injured or IR'd?

True, the Packers had a lot of players on injured reserve when they won the Super Bowl in 2010. According to Football Outsiders Adjusted Games Lost they ranked as the team hit the third worst by injuries that season.

And let’s not take this anywhere other than you said Pettine was handcuffed by his position coaches. I wasn’t using an instant excuse for losing, I’m pointing out the reality of what we had to go to work with much of the year. Our defense was at a minimum, respectable, which says a lot considering the circumstances. Circumstance I feel were far more important than any supposed handcuffing by having position coaches forced upon him

Here's the best data I was able to find on this year, with the report being from week 14:

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The Packers haven't been one of the healthiest teams but it could have been worse as well.

 

[Pokerbrat2000]

I'm not sure that they could get him away unless Baltimore chose to part ways or took some compensation for him. Would you trade for him?

Would I trade for him? Interesting question, since I don't even know if Gute would want him as the HC. But, let's say that Gute (and Murphy) feels that Harbaugh is head and shoulders THE guy that they want, I would definitely be on board with trading for him. Hard to put a trade value on it, but even if it was the Saints pick and that was what it took to get the best man for the job (in the Packers eyes), I wouldn't be disappointed.

 

[Deleted member 6794]

Would I trade for him? Interesting question, since I don't even know if Gute would want him as the HC. But, let's say that Gute (and Murphy) feels that Harbaugh is head and shoulders THE guy that they want, I would definitely be on board with trading for him. Hard to put a trade value on it, but even if it was the Saints pick and that was what it took to get the best man for the job (in the Packers eyes), I wouldn't be disappointed.

I highly doubt the Ravens are interested in getting rid of Harbaugh after all. I wouldn't mind sending them the pick we acquired in the trade for Montgomery back to Baltimore for him though

 

[Pokerbrat2000]

Here's the best data I was able to find on this year, with the report being from week 14:

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The Packers haven't been one of the healthiest teams but it could have been worse as well.

Good info thanks and I am sure by the end of the season, those numbers will skyrocket even higher for the Packers, with players seemingly being IR'd to make roster space for bringing in new guys the last few weeks.

I also would say that losing guys like Perry, Daniels, Aaron Jones and Kenny Clark are a footnote, since the season was basically lost already when they went down.

 

[Pokerbrat2000]

I highly doubt the Ravens are interested in getting rid of Harbaugh after all. I wouldn't mind sending them the pick we acquired in the trade for Montgomery back to Baltimore for him though

Cheapskate!

But hey, I would be on board for that......Monty for Harbaugh....I think we get the better end of that deal!

Can't remember what Ravens game I caught a bit of, maybe against the Chiefs? But Monty looked like the same player in their system as he did in Green Bay. Couldn't break a tackle on a run, didn't block very well and just stood a few yards away from the LOS waiting for a pass to never come his way and when they did, think he dropped 2?

 

[Deleted member 6794]

Good info thanks and I am sure by the end of the season, those numbers will skyrocket even higher for the Packers, with players seemingly being IR'd to make roster space for bringing in new guys the last few weeks.

Unfortunately I don't have access to Football Outsiders numbers (as I think their metric is the best available) during the season but truly believe that Packers fans don't have information necessary to objectively evaluate injuries suffered by other teams.

 

[Mondio]

I highly doubt the Ravens are interested in getting rid of Harbaugh after all. I wouldn't mind sending them the pick we acquired in the trade for Montgomery back to Baltimore for him though

I'd even take Montgomery back if we had to

 

[longtimefan]

Agree. Maybe my memory is off, but the last time the Packers won the Super Bowl, didn't they finish the year with a lot of guys injured or IR'd?

Still had Woodson and Collins in back end of Def.. Along with Raji and Jenkins on line. With clay at his prime.

Care to tell me who on this Def equals those players?

 

[longtimefan]

http://www.cheeseheadsportsnut.com/2011/02/wednesday-what-happened-ranking-packers.html?m=1

List of ir players..

Finley, Burnett, nick Barnett and Mark Tauscher were notables.

 

[longtimefan]

On offense Rodgers Nelson, Greg, driver all mostly in prime..

So while on surface the injuries this year can't be an excuse, but 2010 injuries didn't affect the team as far as main starters like this year..

 

[PackAttack12]

Dantés talking about Jim Harbaugh though

John was the guy he was referring to a few weeks ago. Unfortunately it now seems as if it's a pipedream.

 

[Title Town USA]

Jim Harbaugh seems like the kind of guy who wouldn't take any crap from Rodgers - exactly what we need in a HC.

What crap? Too many touchdowns and not enough interceptions?

 

[gbgary]

Rodgers has spoken publicly and cast his vote. anyone thinking Murphy won't take that into consideration is kidding themselves. Rodgers loves the system (street-ball go-long whenever possible) and he knows his personality will dominate Philbin's in the qb room (he won't be coached).

 

[PackAttack12]

Rodgers has spoken publicly and cast his vote. anyone thinking Murphy won't take that into consideration is kidding themselves. Rodgers loves the system (street-ball go-long whenever possible) and he knows his personality will dominate Philbin's in the qb room (he won't be coached).

Good gracious.

 

[gbgary]

What crap? Too many touchdowns and not enough interceptions?

being called out in pressers and ignoring the play he's supposed to run maybe.

 

[Pokerbrat2000]

Still had Woodson and Collins in back end of Def.. Along with Raji and Jenkins on line. With clay at his prime.

Care to tell me who on this Def equals those players?

I think Daniels and Clark are pretty comparable. As far as secondary talent goes, yes, we are short on that end of the equation, but with all the high picks thrown at it, we shouldn't be. I can't even remember who were the ILB's in 2010, Hawk and Bishop? I would take Martinez over Hawk. The offense in 2010 was playing much better as well. I guess what I am trying to say, injuries this season aren't the only reason the Packers are 6-8-1.

 

[Do7]

Rodgers has spoken publicly and cast his vote. anyone thinking Murphy won't take that into consideration is kidding themselves. Rodgers loves the system (street-ball go-long whenever possible) and he knows his personality will dominate Philbin's in the qb room (he won't be coached).

I don't recall Rodgers saying what coach he had in mind.

 

[Pokerbrat2000]

I don't recall Rodgers saying what coach he had in mind.

I think some want to interrupt Rodgers saying that he likes Philbin and wants the team to perform well as his endorsement of JP for the HC job. I don't personally see it that way.

 

[longtimefan]

I think Daniels and Clark are pretty comparable. As far as secondary talent goes, yes, we are short on that end of the equation, but with all the high picks thrown at it, we shouldn't be. I can't even remember who were the ILB's in 2010, Hawk and Bishop? I would take Martinez over Hawk. The offense in 2010 was playing much better as well. I guess what I am trying to say, injuries this season aren't the only reason the Packers are 6-8-1.

So missing Daniel's and Clark can hurt.

But yes injuries are only, but it's part

 

[TomBrownFan40]

I like the Pat Fitzgerald of Northwestern rumors. He worked with Murphy and is a fresh face. I don't like retreads. Probably won't happen because he's not an offense guy. In any case, if it's not him, I'd like somebody very much like him.

 

[Pokerbrat2000]

So missing Daniel's and Clark can hurt.

But yes injuries are only, but it's part

Right, but the season for the Packers was basically over by the time those 2 went out with injuries. I'm trying to remember when the Packers actually looked like a highly competitive team at the beginning of the season, pre-any injuries. Wilkerson and maybe GMO were the only 2 significant injuries when the Packers were still in the hunt. Of course Rodgers knee factors into it as well. But in all seriousness, lets say by some luck, the Packers had suffered no major injuries all year, are they a legit Super Bowl contender?

 

[gbgary]

I don't recall Rodgers saying what coach he had in mind.

listen to, and read between the lines, his presser from the other day. Adams was even more definitive: "I'd love to see the search stop there", when asked about Philbin.

 

[El Guapo]

I don't like retreads.

I understand your thinking, and seem to hear it quite a bit. My take is that it doesn't matter if we select a "retread" or a fresh face. A team can choose the wrong coach no matter the background. The key is finding the right guy regardless of whether he coached or failed elsewhere. Belichik is the best but not only example of coaches that learned from their first HC experience and turned those negatives into positives.

Murphy needs to be an expert HC evaluater.