Post MM firing -- coaching search: who we want -- ALL threads merged

[PackAttack12]

Well with the interviews starting to roll in, I know you're all dying to see my updated list. So here it is.

1. Jim Harbaugh: I've rethought this one and come all the way around. Yes, he's kind of nuts, and yes, that means he usually doesn't last anywhere too long. But he's proven to be a great football coach, and if he only lasts as long as Rodgers' remaining seasons, does it really matter that he isn't long for the job?
2. Ron Rivera: It seems a foregone conclusion at this point that Rivera is a goner in Carolina. That often happens with new ownership. But he's proven to be a pretty darn good coach there. In the last 6 seasons, he's achieved 11+ wins three times. In that time, his defense has been top 10 in DVOA four times.
3. Dave Toub: Toub has been a stellar coordinator for years, comes off arguably the best active coaching tree in the NFL, and should come with great connections for building a staff.
4. Kris Richard: Cowboys DC Rod Marinelli has long been doing great work in Dallas, but their defense has risen to a new level this season and it's coincided with the arrival of Richard from Seattle. He presided as the DB's coach over the hey day of the Legion of Boom and is now calling the defensive players in Dallas. He's a rising star.
5. Eric Bieniemy: Like Toub, Bieniemy also has the benefits of Andy Reid's coaching tree. Ideally, he would get more seasoning before he took on the big chair, but you also have to like what KC has done on offense this year coinciding with his increased involvement.

Lamar Jackson seems to have killed your John Harbaugh dream lol. You had me on board.

 

[Deleted member 6794]

Lamar Jackson seems to have killed your John Harbaugh dream lol. You had me on board.

Dantés talking about Jim Harbaugh though

 

[rodell330]

If they keep Philbin I will be extremely pissed. Then what was the point in firing McCarthy!?
Same lame playbook and he’s got the same let the players do whatever and perform however they want attitude as McCarthy did. No no no!!!

Arians, Jim Harbaugh, or McDaniels and it pretty much ends with those three!

 

[Mondio]

3 open TDs missed against one of the best defenses in the league and someone still thinks it’s the play calls. How does that go? SMH?

 

[Pokerbrat2000]

I think hiring Philbin would be a mistake. The result would probably be "business as usual" and we would be back here next year doing this all over again. This team needs a coaching overhaul, not what TT and MM seemed to like to do...move guys around and give them new titles. I was actually a bit disappointed that when Capers was fired, the whole defensive staff didn't go with him. I like Pettine, but whether it was his choice or MM's, I think having to work with a bunch of coaches that seemed to be failing under Capers handcuffed him.

Philbin had his chance all season to show the Packers what he could do on offense and it was the same old same old. Time to move on and bring in new guys, with new ideas and wake the players up. Philbin is apparently a really nice guy and the players love him, but sometimes and I think in this case, the Packers need a HC with a little more fire in his belly.

 

[Mondio]

You think having to retain a well respected coach like Whitt handcuffed him though there is the possibility he wanted to keep him, but finishing the season with zero starting dlinemen, how many different DB’s? 13?16? Rotating thru and having 2 starting linebackers out of 4 on the field was what?

 

[AmishMafia]

. . . the same let the players do whatever . . .

Arians, Jim Harbaugh, or McDaniels and it pretty much ends with those three!

Arians : I think of him as a players coach like MM and Philbin and that is why it is a no for me. We need a hardnose control guy like Harbaugh or Pettine. He has stated, BTW, that he is not interested in the job.


McDaniels: accepted a job last season only to change mind a few days later. He screwed over his staff. Not sure if he will be able to get the same staff and how those coaches feel. They notified their HC that they were leaving. Not sure if all of them got their jobs back, but still, I would have been extremely pissed if put in that situation.

 

[Dantés]

Lamar Jackson seems to have killed your John Harbaugh dream lol. You had me on board.

And now Peter King is saying John might not sign an extension, but they still have him under contract through next season. Too bad.

 

[Pokerbrat2000]

You think having to retain a well respected coach like Whitt handcuffed him though there is the possibility he wanted to keep him, but finishing the season with zero starting dlinemen, how many different DB’s? 13?16? Rotating thru and having 2 starting linebackers out of 4 on the field was what?

We could debate the merits of each individual positional coach, but that wasn't my point. Also, if you think this defense and offense under performed only due to injuries and players under performing, than stop reading because no matter who is coaching, there will always be injuries and it is the coaches job to teach and motivate players to perform at their highest level.

My point was that the firing of MM started what IMO will be a needed change for the Packers in new coaches. MM isn't a bad coach, but I think he lost his players, as well as got stale. I feel the same way about a lot of the positional coaches. Promoting Philbin to HC for 2019 and retaining a hand full of other coaches I doubt will accomplish much.

 

[GB2016]

Unless they hire JP and he brings in a high powered OC.

 

[Pokerbrat2000]

And now Peter King is saying John might not sign an extension, but they still have him under contract through next season. Too bad.

Pretty funny, since it seemed 6 or so weeks ago, it was the Ravens who seemed to be done with Harbaugh. Any chance Gute has been in John's ear and they are both trying to figure a way out of Baltimore for him?

 

[Mondio]

We could debate the merits of each individual positional coach, but that wasn't my point. Also, if you think this defense and offense under performed only due to injuries and players under performing, than stop reading because no matter who is coaching, there will always be injuries and it is the coaches job to teach and motivate players to perform at their highest level.

My point was that the firing of MM started what IMO will be a needed change for the Packers in new coaches. MM isn't a bad coach, but I think he lost his players, as well as got stale. I feel the same way about a lot of the positional coaches. Promoting Philbin to HC for 2019 and retaining a hand full of other coaches I doubt will accomplish much.

Sorry, I keep forgettting that teams like MN, Chicago, Baltimore take the field with 3 starters out of 11 and never miss a beat

 

[Mondio]

And now Peter King is saying John might not sign an extension, but they still have him under contract through next season. Too bad.

John has certainly proved his worth as a coach. He’d top my list. As soon as he started winning he made it tough to let him go, which oddly enough they seemed resigned to do at seasons end. Now I think they realize that was a dumb move.

He is under contract for another year, but not signing the extension offered does keep it interesting at least.

 

[Pokerbrat2000]

Sorry, I keep forgettting that teams like MN, Chicago, Baltimore take the field with 3 starters out of 11 and never miss a beat

You seem to keep saying that, like you are implying that the Packers played the entire season with 16 starters missing from the offense and the defense. They didn't and they still lost games, with healthy starters not playing well. If you think teams like the Patriots, Saints, Rams, Bears etc. are only at the top right now because they haven't had injuries, then you aren't digging deep enough.

 

[PackerDNA]

I think it'll be a huge mistake if they make Philbin the head coach. if you're going to keep Philbin , then why was McCarthy fired in the first place?

 

[Pokerbrat2000]

Didn't Gute slip in some language when Monty was traded to the Ravens, that we were also getting exclusive rights to buy Harbaugh out of his contract for $1?

 

[Pokerbrat2000]

I think it'll be a huge mistake if they make Philbin the head coach. if you're going to keep Philbin , then why was McCarthy fired in the first place?

Agree and I would be more worried about that happening if TT was still in charge. He isn't and just doesn't seem like the direction Gute is going with this team.

 

[Mondio]

Didn't Gute slip in some language when Monty was traded to the Ravens, that we were also getting exclusive rights to buy Harbaugh out of his contract for $1?

That would be nice

 

[Mondio]

You seem to keep saying that, like you are implying that the Packers played the entire season with 16 starters missing from the offense and the defense. They didn't and they still lost games, with healthy starters not playing well. If you think teams like the Patriots, Saints, Rams, Bears etc. are only at the top right now because they haven't had injuries, then you aren't digging deep enough.

And this defense wasn’t terrible all year either were they? I think what Pettine has done with what we’ve had has been pretty encouraging actually. And it’s had more to do with personnel available than being handcuffed by position coaches, as you put it.


And as a side note, you think it’s merely a coincidence that those teams you mentioned are also at pretty much full strength this time of year? Like is often the case every year when we get to the end. Healthy teams are usually the ones left standing with a few exceptions.

 

[Deleted member 6794]

You think having to retain a well respected coach like Whitt handcuffed him though there is the possibility he wanted to keep him, but finishing the season with zero starting dlinemen, how many different DB’s? 13?16? Rotating thru and having 2 starting linebackers out of 4 on the field was what?

Mostly I respect your opinion but in my opinion you have to let go of blaming injuries for the Packers underperforming each season it happens.

There's no doubt the team has lost several players over the course of the year who could have helped them perform at a higher level but other teams had to work through it as well.

Packers fans tend to ignore that cause they don't follow other clubs in depth though.

 

[Pokerbrat2000]

And as a side note, you think it’s merely a coincidence that those teams you mentioned are also at pretty much full strength this time of year?

Define "Full Strength". I will admit that I don't keep track of every teams rosters and injuries, but if you pull up the injury reports for top teams, seems to me they all have had their fair share of guys injured each week and/or on IR and many of them are starters. Where they do probably differ from the Packers, is that they have more quality depth, so that when a starter does go down, its not an instant excuse for losing.

 

[Pokerbrat2000]

Mostly I respect your opinion but in my opinion you have to let go of blaming injuries for the Packers underperforming each season it happens.

There's no doubt the team has lost several players over the course of the year who could have helped them perform at a higher level but other teams had to work through it as well.

Packers fans tend to ignore that cause they don't follow other clubs in depth though.

Agree. Maybe my memory is off, but the last time the Packers won the Super Bowl, didn't they finish the year with a lot of guys injured or IR'd?

 

[Mondio]

Our defense hasn’t been that bad this year at all.

And let’s not take this anywhere other than you said Pettine was handcuffed by his position coaches. I wasn’t using an instant excuse for losing, I’m pointing out the reality of what we had to go to work with much of the year. Our defense was at a minimum, respectable, which says a lot considering the circumstances. Circumstance I feel were far more important than any supposed handcuffing by having position coaches forced upon him

 

[Dantés]

Pretty funny, since it seemed 6 or so weeks ago, it was the Ravens who seemed to be done with Harbaugh. Any chance Gute has been in John's ear and they are both trying to figure a way out of Baltimore for him?

I'm not sure that they could get him away unless Baltimore chose to part ways or took some compensation for him. Would you trade for him?

 

[Mondio]

Agree. Maybe my memory is off, but the last time the Packers won the Super Bowl, didn't they finish the year with a lot of guys injured or IR'd?

Set a record I think for the number and winning. The norm? Or an exception?