Pittsburgh studs duds

[AmishMafia]

Studs
Kumerow - made the team. Smart explosive and good hands.
Gilbert - wow. Powerful, quick
Josh Jackson - saw him covering tightly all night. So instinctive. Can even return punts!
Tramon William's, still has it. Starts the game off right
Kizer - looked sharp and poised
Rodgers - looked like he is right where he left off
Burks - looked impressive

Duds
Run defense by the starters
TV coverage. Interviews with small screen, missed the Jackson pick 6.
Frackrel -got burned when he broke contain, very next play he made the same mistake

 

[Zartan]

Studs
Williams with the opening Pick 6
Rodgers doing Rodgers things.
Jimmy Graham with a beast of a catch.

Duds
Run Defense being crap missed tackles abound.
Moore with the dropsies

 

[Jerellh528]

Gilbert, Kizer, Adams and Jackson were studs.

Geronimo was a dud, dude is suppose to be our 3rd wr but he’s been a mostly ghost through the first 2 games.

Fackrell dud.

Jk Scott kinda was a dud tonight.

 

[RicFlairoftheNFL]

Studs: QBs and WR. Gilbert. DBs.

Duds: Run block and RB. Starting Defense. JK Scott.

Either Way: Kumerow. Stud if he's not injured, DUD if he IRed himself with that dive.

 

[Dantés]

Wilkerson made a play or two in the running game as well, but he got blown up on one of the Conner's long runs. The tackling of both starting safeties was atrocious.

I had no idea that Josh Jackson returned punts. If he can handle it, bye bye Trevor.

 

[Dantés]

Big picture observation:

This is the second week in a row that every GB quarterback has been pretty darn effective. Perhaps this is in indication of a positive systemic impact from the return of Philbin and the re-imagination of the playbook.

 

[Dantés]

J'mon Moore has one more week to get these drops out of his head and start producing before he's in serious danger of getting cut, even despite being a 4th round pick. It's hard to envision a rookie picked that high with that much talent getting released, but if he can't catch a ball, what's the harm?

 

[HardRightEdge]

J'mon Moore has one more week to get these drops out of his head and start producing before he's in serious danger of getting cut, even despite being a 4th round pick. It's hard to envision a rookie picked that high with that much talent getting released, but if he can't catch a ball, what's the harm?

Overreact much?

What Moore has to do is ***** to the ref when he's interfered with as was clearly the case on the first so-called drop. Sometimes *****ing works for a late flag if the ref is uncertain, sometimes it doesn't, but you have to make the effort. The second one was borderline interference, but I'd give him a -1 for handchecking past the point where he should have been reaching for the ball. On the plus side, we finally saw him get an inside route target, a short slant with sudden separation and the catch but it was called back for holding. He looked Adams-like on that one. He ran the same route later, with Boyle I belive it was. He was open but Boyle for some reason threw way behind him. Loften questioned whether Moor ran the wrong route. Since it was the same route completed earlier, I'd guess that was on Boyle. In these first two games Moore has been interfered with a lot, called or not. That should tell you something.

St. Brown had two drops without much qualification. One was over middle on a simultanous hit, a little borderline, but at least the defender was not grabbing his arms.

It's becoming evident why Rodgers has been favoring Kumerow. He shows polish and confidence.

 

[HardRightEdge]

Wilkerson made a play or two in the running game as well, but he got blown up on one of the Conner's long runs. The tackling of both starting safeties was atrocious.

Martinez was consistently jamming the wrong hole and or getting blocked out, which sure didn't help.

I had no idea that Josh Jackson returned punts.

He returned 5 for 37 yds. last season. That's the extent of his college experience. He looked good fielding the ball but that one gainer had easy yards in it. The punter out kicked his coverage and he had a lot of free run before anybody engaged him. You want to know who made that play? Hawkins. He was waving at Jackson to come his way, then set up the gunner and seal blocked him inside. It was one of those little things we generally don't notice, but his time it was right in the middle of the screen.

Rollins looked decent too if not dynamic. I did not see him get a good opportunity. Davis is still more elusive, but that may not be enough.

 

[HardRightEdge]

Big picture observation:

This is the second week in a row that every GB quarterback has been pretty darn effective. Perhaps this is in indication of a positive systemic impact from the return of Philbin and the re-imagination of the playbook.

Hundley looks like he's looked in every preseason: effective. Which may also say something about the other guys. So, I'm not sure we can draw any conclusions unless we have to see one of these guys having to step up a level of competition in money games, something nobody ever wants to see. I believe I am seeing more combination routes as opposed to the one-on-one approach we've been accustomed to.

 

[BrokenArrow]

Geronimo was a dud, dude is suppose to be our 3rd wr but he’s been a mostly ghost through the first 2 games.

You realize he only played one series, right?

 

[BrokenArrow]

J'mon Moore has one more week to get these drops out of his head and start producing before he's in serious danger of getting cut, even despite being a 4th round pick. It's hard to envision a rookie picked that high with that much talent getting released, but if he can't catch a ball, what's the harm?

He wouldn't be the first. David Clowney? Cory Rodgers?

 

[HardRightEdge]

Studs
Kumerow - made the team. Smart explosive and good hands.
Gilbert - wow. Powerful, quick
Josh Jackson - saw him covering tightly all night. So instinctive. Can even return punts!
Tramon William's, still has it. Starts the game off right
Kizer - looked sharp and poised
Rodgers - looked like he is right where he left off
Burks - looked impressive

Duds
Run defense by the starters
TV coverage. Interviews with small screen, missed the Jackson pick 6.
Frackrel -got burned when he broke contain, very next play he made the same mistake

I like your list. I'll add a couple other notes.

If Murphy is supposed to be the #3 tackle, Bahktiari and Bulaga better play all 16+ games. Murphy looked better on the right side than the left, but not convincing in that role either. For my money, Lane Taylor is the third best tackle on this roster based on his emergency play at LT last season. Spriggs looks like he's in trouble, still playing behind Murphy and Bell.

I don't think anybody's mentioned Tonyan yet. He looked surprisingly good catching the ball for a #4 TE. He was lining up in-line but I didn't notice what his blocking looked like. Anybody have a note on that?

 

[Jerellh528]

You realize he only played one series, right?

I saw him in on at least 3 drives and into the second quarter tonight. He was so ghost you thought he only played in one series

 

[Mondio]

Tonyon had a really nice catch for a TD and some others. If he keeps that up, he's going to be hard to cut too. Kumerow looks like he belongs. What else is there to say. He's consistent and dependable and he's not getting cut if he keeps this up either. I think He and MVS have the inside track as far as that goes. Yes Moore has had some contested balls, but he hasn't caught any of them. He has to start pretty soon. MSV didn't do anything really to jump out this game, but didn't fall back from what he did last week either. EQ didn't help himself, neither did Moore.

Scott wasn't that good last night. Crosby was.

Biegel got in later and was tossed around a lot. Then when he was able to use some speed or quickness around against lesser stuff he was ok. Gilbert on the other hand looked the part, he definitely built off his last game and is earning his spot in a fairly impressive fashion.

I think the DB's in general look better. Of course Williams and Jackson had INT's for TD's. But overall coverage is tighter, not so many people just running free. I still think that was Herb Waters' ball until they hit the ground and the WR was able to get more than a hand on it, but we know how they're going to call that one.

as someone mentioned before, the tackling from the safeties sucked. Even Brice? WTF Brice, that's your calling card. I expect that head down miss the tackle BS from Clinton Dix, but not you.

Our back up tackles will need help if they are on the field without question. They don't look great and I still think Murphy is a worse version of post injury Barclay.

I liked all the people getting PR opportunities, well Jackson and Rollins. Both did well, though there was a lot of room on some of those. I'd like to see the sure hands in traffic a few times. All we need is one guy to catch them reliably and Davis' spot is gone on this roster.

all the QB's looked efficient. Hundley looked fine, Kizer looked better outside of 2 or so misplaced passes so that's good. Boyle seems to have the tools to work with too.

He still made some mistakes, but Burks looked like he took a nice step forward from last week to last night. He was flying around and if he's making a mistake, he's making it fast. I can live with that. I don't want to sound like he had a bad night, he didn't. It's a nice game to continue building on, he made some nice plays last night on special teams and defense.

ETA, another Dud, Montgomery and his ball security. as soon as he was running, I did say, put the ball away, aannddd he didn't. The very next Kickoff, it was the same thing. This low and loose ball position isn't new with him either. When there is contact he pulls it in nicely most times, but if contact isn't imminent that he can see he's sloppy with that ball and it's out there and vulnerable. Makes me nervous. His pass protection still isn't that good. Williams blows him out of the water in that department.

 

[hasamikun]

Studs: Gilbert made so much pressure and is charging the QB so well, he need to be a starter tbh.
Kumerow just locked his roster appearence up. He looks like WR#3 right now and kinda resembles Jordy.
Jackson had again one nice game. He is so good on tight man-coverage. I like him like alot.

duds: Scott had a rough game, but that can happen. He showed us what he is capable of. I am not worried cuz of one game.
Starter run d sucked. Daniels didnt play but still, I expect more from the frontseven. They were actually really good against the rush last season.

In general I like the DBs alot. They cover very tight and effective. Ofc not everything is working but I see much improvement already. And Jaire didnt even play yet. Even House had some really good coverages.
We really need some help at the Oline. I am not convinced with the backups. And we all know, that our Oliners are made of glass. Cant understand why Jahri Evans is still a free agent. He got bad at the end of last season but still better than Murphy and co.
The rest of our O looks really good. We are stacked at every position with a good balance of veterans and young players. Rodgers gonna be helluva fine.
Also our Safeties need serious help. Tackling was bad, as always. And I am not sure, if Haha can get his form back. Looked really poor today. Eric Reid is still out there. I dont care about the flag-protest thing. Get him asap.

 

[rodell330]

I hope this isn’t a case of where the secondary holds up but the run defense is bad. I won’t go cray because Daniels is out and it’s pre season but they better get better. Speaking of the secondary I really like our cornerback situation. My prediction is Josh Jackson eventually seeing time at FS and HCD sliding over to SS. Jackson has a knack for the football which is what you like in a DB.

Kumerow may be the next Jordy Nelson. I don’t care what school the guy came from...he looks like he can play. Good size, hands and he showed me he can run away from people once he gets in the open field. Major plus especially since we run a ton of slants, digs, post and crossing routes.

 

[XPack]

Stud:

+ Kumerow still lacks the speed of Jordy. He's probably the second slowest of our WRs in 40yd dash stats. Didn't realize Geronimo had worse stats! But yeah, he looks like the most polished WR of the rookies. I expect him and MVS to make the cut.

+ Graham The middle route running with beastly catching ability. And him and AR12 has a good connection already. Takes the offence to a new dimension.

+ Gilbert - Delicious playing.

Dud:

- TyM's drop was atrocious. Basic ball protection lapse. It was not even that hard a tackle. We have better WRs and RBs and that doesn't bode well for him.

- Ha Ha looks to be continuing his indifferent form.

 

[Arod2gjdd]

Studs:
Gilbert
Tramon undercutting routes in green & gold again
Speed of Burks was evident
Kizer
Kumerow

Duds:
Montgomery
C'mon Moore again
O-line especially with Rodgers in there. Held my breathe a few times

 

[Dantés]

Hundley looks like he's looked in every preseason: effective. Which may also say something about the other guys. So, I'm not sure we can draw any conclusions unless we have to see one of these guys having to step up a level of competition in money games, something nobody ever wants to see. I believe I am seeing more combination routes as opposed to the one-on-one approach we've been accustomed to.

Hundley has looked bad in preseason action in the past as well. And the comment wasn’t just about him. The entire passing offense has been consistently effective regardless of who is in at QB. I don’t think this means that the Packers are four deep with great quarterbacks, but *perhaps* (it is still preseason) this is an indication of Philbin having an impact.

 

[Dantés]

Overreact much?

What Moore has to do is ***** to the ref when he's interfered with as was clearly the case on the first so-called drop. Sometimes *****ing works for a late flag if the ref is uncertain, sometimes it doesn't, but you have to make the effort. The second one was borderline interference, but I'd give him a -1 for handchecking past the point where he should have been reaching for the ball. On the plus side, we finally saw him get an inside route target, a short slant with sudden separation and the catch but it was called back for holding. He looked Adams-like on that one. He ran the same route later, with Boyle I belive it was. He was open but Boyle for some reason threw way behind him. Loften questioned whether Moor ran the wrong route. Since it was the same route completed earlier, I'd guess that was on Boyle. In these first two games Moore has been interfered with a lot, called or not. That should tell you something.

St. Brown had two drops without much qualification. One was over middle on a simultanous hit, a little borderline, but at least the defender was not grabbing his arms.

It's becoming evident why Rodgers has been favoring Kumerow. He shows polish and confidence.

I don’t think it’s an overreaction to say that they might try to move Moore to the practice squad if he can’t get past these drops. It’s a crowded position. They practice squadded a 5th rounder last year. It’s been a consistent issue for him for almost a month now. If he can’t demonstrate the ability to catch, the chances he gets claimed are low.

Now I don’t think that will happen. I think he will figure things out well enough to get on the roster. But I don’t think it’s too strong to say that he might lose his spot if he doesn’t.

 

[HardRightEdge]

Tonyon had a really nice catch for a TD and some others. If he keeps that up, he's going to be hard to cut too. Kumerow looks like he belongs. What else is there to say. He's consistent and dependable and he's not getting cut if he keeps this up either. I think He and MVS have the inside track as far as that goes. Yes Moore has had some contested balls, but he hasn't caught any of them. He has to start pretty soon. MSV didn't do anything really to jump out this game, but didn't fall back from what he did last week either. EQ didn't help himself, neither did Moore.

Scott wasn't that good last night. Crosby was.

Biegel got in later and was tossed around a lot. Then when he was able to use some speed or quickness around against lesser stuff he was ok. Gilbert on the other hand looked the part, he definitely built off his last game and is earning his spot in a fairly impressive fashion.

I think the DB's in general look better. Of course Williams and Jackson had INT's for TD's. But overall coverage is tighter, not so many people just running free. I still think that was Herb Waters' ball until they hit the ground and the WR was able to get more than a hand on it, but we know how they're going to call that one.

as someone mentioned before, the tackling from the safeties sucked. Even Brice? WTF Brice, that's your calling card. I expect that head down miss the tackle BS from Clinton Dix, but not you.

Our back up tackles will need help if they are on the field without question. They don't look great and I still think Murphy is a worse version of post injury Barclay.

I liked all the people getting PR opportunities, well Jackson and Rollins. Both did well, though there was a lot of room on some of those. I'd like to see the sure hands in traffic a few times. All we need is one guy to catch them reliably and Davis' spot is gone on this roster.

all the QB's looked efficient. Hundley looked fine, Kizer looked better outside of 2 or so misplaced passes so that's good. Boyle seems to have the tools to work with too.

He still made some mistakes, but Burks looked like he took a nice step forward from last week to last night. He was flying around and if he's making a mistake, he's making it fast. I can live with that. I don't want to sound like he had a bad night, he didn't. It's a nice game to continue building on, he made some nice plays last night on special teams and defense.

ETA, another Dud, Montgomery and his ball security. as soon as he was running, I did say, put the ball away, aannddd he didn't. The very next Kickoff, it was the same thing. This low and loose ball position isn't new with him either. When there is contact he pulls it in nicely most times, but if contact isn't imminent that he can see he's sloppy with that ball and it's out there and vulnerable. Makes me nervous. His pass protection still isn't that good. Williams blows him out of the water in that department.

Your post reminded me of a couple of other notes:

- Tonyan's TD catch was on a wideout isolation one-on-one against #34. Loften mentioned that defender was the Steelers first round pick. To confirm, that was Terrell Edmunds, #28 pick in the 2017 draft. So that's an extra feather in Toyan's cap.

- Your mention of Biegel reminded me a strange play where he was a down lineman at 1-technique, believe it or not. He didn't rush, he didn't bail out into coverage. He just stood up and played pattycake like he was spying, but he was at the line which is too close to be a spy. I don't know what was supposed to be going on there, but it looked like Ghost of Capers bizarro sh*t.

 

[Pokerbrat2000]

It is being reported that Kumerow’s injury last night was just a “stinger,” and he should be fine moving forward.

 

[Jerellh528]

Kumerow still lacks the speed of Jordy. He's probably the second slowest of our WRs in 40yd dash stats. Didn't realize Geronimo had worse stats! But yeah, he looks like the most polished WR of the rookies. I expect him and MVS to make the cut..

Kumerow has been around since 2015, dude is 26, he’s not a rookie .

 

[Pokerbrat2000]

I have only watched the first half of the game, so can only comment on that so far. I'm not that worried about the run defense, Daniels playing, along with Pettine shoring things up should help fix it. However, we saw last night where both Jake Ryan and Morgan Burnett will be missed. MB is a guy who can come up quickly and take down a runner before he gets clear of the LOS. Burks is going to be expected to take up that slack, I hope he keeps improving.

Ha Ha continues to look lost and tries to tackle like a guy with wet fingernail polish.

Kumerow just made the roster. I normally wouldn't say that, just based on preseason, but AR's comments on Jake are encouraging and leads me to believe that his performance in preseason is mirroring what the Packers are seeing at Practice.

Our OL better stay fully healthy, which it hasn't in a long time. The backups are pretty pathetic to this point. I wouldn't be waiting around for Spriggs to get it, dude looks like he studied at the Don Barclay school of swinging gates.

Monty isn't anything special, except maybe as a 3rd down back.

The CB position is in the best shape its been in awhile and that is even with King hurt. Williams was a great FA signing, not just for talent, but for veteran leadership of a young group. I think House sticks for the same reason.

Not worried about Scott, he is going to be solid punter for many years.

Mason, for as much as some complain about his salary, is the guy I want out there during clutch moments.